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tkf
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9/28/2007  12:52 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Playa,

Its a socio economic thing. The lack of preparation and prevention is the real crime. WTF was there no help? Racist? Ok, but the lack of an infrastructure is the real reason. The lack of busing, and the lack of ability to get out. People with cars got out, people in need of buses did not.

This is america, a country built on the independant spirit. The ugly side of that is if your gonna rely on the government to take care of you its not gonna be pretty!

Its sick what happened, its sick you had people with addictions getting strung out. its sick thousands of people instead of going to the dome with basic supplies instead came to party! Its sick there was not proper preparations to house and feed them properly.

Its racist, and at the same time does the lack of preparation still exist to day if another disaster hit???? And whose fault is that? If a black mayor and black city council dont' get the job done and a white president can't fix it become a racist event? What about plain old incompetitance across the board by those intrusted to care? Bottom line, the white mountain people of Tennesee have little ecnomic power and if disaster struck them they are left to fend for themselves.

New Orleans has been a disaster waiting to happen for decades. This disaster was a congruence of events that blame can be spread by many.

I can't say I blame anyone for the anger toward our government and the insurance companies. The whole thing is a sham and its digusting.

So playa, what are you doing about it?

Great, post nalod, I made these same points last year. My co-worker was in college in Florida when they had those Huge hurricanes some years ago. Fema was slow getting aid there, people complained, even held up signs to the news camera asking for help from the president of the US. Most of these were white people and white neighborhoods from what I was told by my friend. He was there. I don't think the slow response during Katrina was racially motivated, it was just incompetence on the local level as well as lack of preparation and we all know fema as well dropped the ball. This is why I was so upset at Kayne west's irresponsible remarks about bush at that point. He is a large voice and he fanned the flames or racism during a time of tradegy...
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9/28/2007  1:16 PM
Posted by playa2:

i am really worried about some of you and the hidden agendas on prejudice and racism.

Like the white guy on cnn said last night.

Blacks are leary of white people who try and hide their new fangled racism and prejudices practices instead of being open and blatant about it.

This in itself puts blacks on their heels having to be on the defensive all the time not knowing if someone is sincere or not with no agendas.

So glad I saw him say that last night to show me we have honest white people who understands how racism works in 2007.

[Edited by - playa2 on 28-09-2007 12:42]


See these conversations get ugly because what you essentially suggest is that white people are bad and blacks are good, which is a form of racism unto itself. It presumes, for instance, that if blacks were in power the world would be a different place. Which begs the question, why do we need white America to stop the destruction that blacks are doing to themselves in Darfur?

If you are so concerned for all of humanity how do you exclude gays?

White on black racism surely exists, I wouldn't deny it for a second, but lets not pretend it doesn't work the other way too. I don't think it's too great a leap of faith to believe that many blacks raise their kids to be more racially biased than many whites do.

I also don't think whites have the market cornered on incompetence. Are you truly of the belief that if Al Sharpton where heading up FEMA at the time that we'd have been all that much better prepared?

If the world could somehow be rid of all white people do you really think the violence and injustices that have have ruled mankind since Adam and Eve would be fixed? And doesn't the archeological data suggest that if there were an Adam and Eve they were probably black, since thus far our oldest remains come from Africa? And didn't their offspring go straight away into selfishness, violence and hate?

In the immortal words of misterearl...

Sheesh!

[Edited by - blueseats on 09-28-2007 1:21 PM]
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9/28/2007  1:45 PM
You think were the ones who start wars , are major serial killers , and who rip people off like the enron financial scandals that rip off hardworking people with their stocks.

Who allow drugs to be dropped in black communities etc.... when blacks don't have the connections to use military planes to get it done.

This is just a few examples. Do you think we ever kill or assasinate a good president or public leaders like MLK.

I know call me a racist and that will kill my credibility.
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9/28/2007  1:53 PM
Posted by playa2:

You think were the ones who start wars , are major serial killers , and who rip people off like the enron financial scandals that rip off hardworking people with their stocks.

Who allow drugs to be dropped in black communities etc.... when blacks don't have the connections to use military planes to get it done.

This is just a few examples. Do you think we ever kill or assasinate a good president or public leaders like MLK.

I know call me a racist and that will kill my credibility.


Just look into the black on black violence that happens in Africa every day.

Idi Amin, Charles Taylor, Ruwanda... none of this is new.

Yes, I think it's racist to think one race is inherently bad and another good.
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9/28/2007  1:55 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

Yes, I think it's racist to think one race is inherently bad and another good.

or to think that a few bad people represent an entire race
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9/28/2007  1:56 PM
Posted by playa2:

You think were the ones who start wars , are major serial killers , and who rip people off like the enron financial scandals that rip off hardworking people with their stocks.

Who allow drugs to be dropped in black communities etc.... when blacks don't have the connections to use military planes to get it done.

This is just a few examples. Do you think we ever kill or assasinate a good president or public leaders like MLK.

I know call me a racist and that will kill my credibility.

wow playa, you need to read up on some more history.
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9/28/2007  2:25 PM
Posted by playa2:

You think were the ones who start wars , are major serial killers , and who rip people off like the enron financial scandals that rip off hardworking people with their stocks.

Who allow drugs to be dropped in black communities etc.... when blacks don't have the connections to use military planes to get it done.

This is just a few examples. Do you think we ever kill or assasinate a good president or public leaders like MLK.

I know call me a racist and that will kill my credibility.

I overestimated your view and knowlege on this matter.

There is no need to label you. You label yourself.

The alternative press you show us is really not as credible as you might think.

I think there are some really good points bought out here you might want to digest.

Blueseats comments about incompetance knowing no color was a great line.

Whats not bought out here is by anyone is Anucah, mills, Isiah are all black. They phuched up but not as black people but as executives. Dolan as the owner bought in incompetant people to run the place. Whose fault is that? No Playa, don't excited, a few years ago I said the place rots from the head down and Dolan is one who runs MSG.

Could have a competant owner run MSG better? Of course, would that person have hired sucha supporting cast? Who knows, but if the organization was better run, things would not get out of control. Maybe Anuchas in a professonal environment might have thrived!



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9/28/2007  3:15 PM
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by playa2:

You think were the ones who start wars , are major serial killers , and who rip people off like the enron financial scandals that rip off hardworking people with their stocks.

Who allow drugs to be dropped in black communities etc.... when blacks don't have the connections to use military planes to get it done.

This is just a few examples. Do you think we ever kill or assasinate a good president or public leaders like MLK.

I know call me a racist and that will kill my credibility.

I overestimated your view and knowlege on this matter.

There is no need to label you. You label yourself.

The alternative press you show us is really not as credible as you might think.

I think there are some really good points bought out here you might want to digest.

Blueseats comments about incompetance knowing no color was a great line.

Whats not bought out here is by anyone is Anucah, mills, Isiah are all black. They phuched up but not as black people but as executives. Dolan as the owner bought in incompetant people to run the place. Whose fault is that? No Playa, don't excited, a few years ago I said the place rots from the head down and Dolan is one who runs MSG.

Could have a competant owner run MSG better? Of course, would that person have hired sucha supporting cast? Who knows, but if the organization was better run, things would not get out of control. Maybe Anuchas in a professonal environment might have thrived!

Incompetence certainly goes a long way towards explaining what happened in New Orleans, but so do the poverty and blackness of the victims. I just could not envision a scenario where white people of any background could be left without gov't aid in a crisis of that magnitude.Frankly, I would not have imagined it to be so slow and inadequate even with poor blacks. I mean, the entire world was watching!!! When you've got Soledad Obrian and Brian Williams fighting mad about something, you know you have screwed up beyond all acceptable levels.

Playa, I dont think your comments are helpful at all, and I dont think you are establishing your point, although I think I know where you are coming from.

Pointing out crimes that white people commit isn't bringing us closer to anything. Pointing out established patterns of discrimination commited by institutions is what we ought to be cncerned about. Situations like Enron are problems with how capitalism works and how the rich and powerful are able to lose a poker game and pay it with the pensions of jobs of thousands of wokers. Enron is an American problem, not a white one.

Drugs in the country are also an American problem, although the data show that America punishes it like its a black problem. Thats the kind of thing we need to be pointing out.
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9/28/2007  3:50 PM
Posted by playa2:

You think were the ones who start wars , are major serial killers , and who rip people off like the enron financial scandals that rip off hardworking people with their stocks.

Who allow drugs to be dropped in black communities etc.... when blacks don't have the connections to use military planes to get it done.

This is just a few examples. Do you think we ever kill or assasinate a good president or public leaders like MLK.

I know call me a racist and that will kill my credibility.


playa, the problem I have with your post is that you are now labeling whites as a race that is bad. Let me ask you playa, do white serial killers only kill blacks, or do they kill a majority of their own? do wars kill blacks or do they kill and mame blacks and whites? Did enron hurt blacks, or were the big stock holders who lost everything majority white? So I ask, why make this into a racial thing? These actions are not those of racist, but of greedy, evil, incompassionate individuals, which exists in all races!
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9/28/2007  4:15 PM
You think were the ones who start wars

There were slaves in Africa before europeans came to the continent. There were wars in Africa. There was Murder and Rape.
Who allow drugs to be dropped in black communities etc....

Who sells them in black communities?
Do you think we ever kill or assasinate a good president or public leaders like MLK.

Who killed malcolm X?

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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9/28/2007  6:09 PM
Posted by kam77:
You think were the ones who start wars

There were slaves in Africa before europeans came to the continent. There were wars in Africa. There was Murder and Rape.
Who allow drugs to be dropped in black communities etc....

Who sells them in black communities?
Do you think we ever kill or assasinate a good president or public leaders like MLK.

Who killed malcolm X?

I wish you wouldnt have responded to those remarks he made, but i guess you felt compelled as I did.
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9/28/2007  7:42 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by playa2:

You think were the ones who start wars , are major serial killers , and who rip people off like the enron financial scandals that rip off hardworking people with their stocks.

Who allow drugs to be dropped in black communities etc.... when blacks don't have the connections to use military planes to get it done.

This is just a few examples. Do you think we ever kill or assasinate a good president or public leaders like MLK.

I know call me a racist and that will kill my credibility.


Just look into the black on black violence that happens in Africa every day.

Idi Amin, Charles Taylor, Ruwanda... none of this is new.

Yes, I think it's racist to think one race is inherently bad and another good.

Papabear Says

As I can remember blacks in Africa never made guns, grenads, or air planes, The evil white empior brought them in. They taught them how to kill with guns and put thier man in power.
Sure Africans had thier waring tribes but the white man taught us how to kill with guns and bring is thier evil ways. They should have left them alone.

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9/28/2007  8:15 PM
Posted by Papabear:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by playa2:

You think were the ones who start wars , are major serial killers , and who rip people off like the enron financial scandals that rip off hardworking people with their stocks.

Who allow drugs to be dropped in black communities etc.... when blacks don't have the connections to use military planes to get it done.

This is just a few examples. Do you think we ever kill or assasinate a good president or public leaders like MLK.

I know call me a racist and that will kill my credibility.


Just look into the black on black violence that happens in Africa every day.

Idi Amin, Charles Taylor, Ruwanda... none of this is new.

Yes, I think it's racist to think one race is inherently bad and another good.

Papabear Says

As I can remember blacks in Africa never made guns, grenads, or air planes, The evil white empior brought them in. They taught them how to kill with guns and put thier man in power.
Sure Africans had thier waring tribes but the white man taught us how to kill with guns and bring is thier evil ways. They should have left them alone.

Papabear

And the white men got their gun powder from Asians, so I guess they are the root of all evil.

I have news for you, every technological advancement will be exploited by any race that can afford it in their tribal battles.

But keep on flying your true colors folks, this is interesting.
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As I read this forum I can see the hate from within you. What is my name?? Where the Fu#K did I come from. It was stolen from every African American. What I don't understand is people saying get over it!!(Bill O'Rielly) One of the greatest eras in black history was the days of the mid to late 60s and early 70s. It was a mixed bag. The Black Panthers were in power black power was in place. No gang wars. We bought so much fear to people that they had to destroy the black panthers. Not just put them in check but totally destroy them. While the Ku Klux Klan was riding high. Then came the drugs in the black neighbor hoods I remember as a young kid we never locked our doors in our black neighborhood. Harlem was beautiful. Then came the drugs by the government to try to destroy a race of people. They almost did!! But they forgot one thing. THE SAME WHITE MAN WHO FIRST TRIED TO MAKE INDIANS SLAVEs AND THE COULDN'T SURVIVE,CHINIEES AND THEY COULDN'T SURVIVE, EVEN SOME OTHER RACES AND THEY COULDN'T SURVIVE. THEN CAME THE BLACKS FROM AFRICA YES STRONG BLACK MEN AND WOMEN WHO SURVIVED THE HARSH WINTERS AND HOT SUMMERS. THEY TOOK OUR NAMES THEY TOOK OUR LIFE STYLES AND ERASED OUR PAST. MILLION OF BLACKS DIED BECAUSE OF THIS.I know blacks from Africa was involved but when they ran out of people you took then. AND YOU GUYS ON THIS FORUM ARE STILL TRYING TO FIND JUSTIFACATION. YOU RAPED OUR MOTHERS MADE SOME HALF BREEDS (but still black). BUT GUESS WHAT??? WE ARE STILL HERE. THE DRUGS ALMOST GOT US .BUT HERE WE ARE. ALL WE NEED TO DO NOW IS SUPPORT ONE ANOTHER IN BUSINESS AND BLACKS WILL BE A POWER HOUSE. WE NEED TO GET THAT DISTRUST THAT WAS PLANTED IN OUR HEADS DURING SLAVERY TIME. WE WILL GET THEIR. Bill O'Reilly is a racist of the worst kind. Check out the topics they run on thier shows. They try to reve up the right wing whites him and Hanity in the name of Jesus Christ. They have to do this every day because they are loosing thier base. White people are having less children today. In 25 years from now all of the other racises ,black, spanish, asians, will out number the whites in this country. The Mexicans said that they would take back Texas and California with out firing a shot. Look I love America But I fear if we do not unite and understand each other, Blacks and whites we are doomed from within. It won't be because of the poor or middle class. It will be those fat ass companies selling going overseas with everything till there is nothing left for us here. They don't give 2 ****s about us and they control our country. And they damn sure ain't black.

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9/28/2007  8:38 PM
^ I didn't realize the gov't provided drugs to different communities back the in 60s and 70s. No wonder there were so many hippies and good times.
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9/28/2007  8:43 PM
Posted by martin:

^ I didn't realize the gov't provided drugs to different communities back the in 60s and 70s. No wonder there were so many hippies and good times.

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Listen this ain't fu#kin joke my man!! Maybe you think it is. It's a known fact that they put drugs in the black neighborhoods during that era. Hippies started in the mid to late 50s and continued in the 60s the black neighborhoods were intact. They did not affect our neithborhoods and all hippies waren't drugies. It was a culture a way of life and they caused no trouble so don't call the drugies.

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[Edited by - Papabear on 09-28-2007 8:49 PM]
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9/28/2007  9:33 PM
Posted by martin:

^ I didn't realize the gov't provided drugs to different communities back the in 60s and 70s. No wonder there were so many hippies and good times.

Martin,

One thing papabear might be referring to is the CIA's alleged involvement in drug smuggling, going back at least to the Vietnam era. The wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking might be a good start, if you're interested in learning more.

Many people also believe that some in the government wanted the drugs to reach poor neighborhoods and be cheap and plentiful so that the people there would be pacified and not so politically active. Coincidentally we saw less effective political activity in the 70's than in the 60's in these areas. I don't have references to documented evidence of this, but I believe it could have happened.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 09-28-2007 21:35]
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Posted by BasketballJones:
Posted by martin:

^ I didn't realize the gov't provided drugs to different communities back the in 60s and 70s. No wonder there were so many hippies and good times.

Martin,

One thing papabear might be referring to is the CIA's alleged involvement in drug smuggling, going back at least to the Vietnam era. The wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_drug_trafficking might be a good start, if you're interested in learning more.

Many people also believe that some in the government wanted the drugs to reach poor neighborhoods and be cheap and plentiful so that the people there would be pacified and not so politically active. Coincidentally we saw less effective political activity in the 70's than in the 60's in these areas. I don't have references to documented evidence of this, but I believe it could have happened.



[Edited by - basketballjones on 09-28-2007 21:35]

Papabear Says

Thanks Basketball Jones no one could have said it better. We survived it but it will take a little more time to get over it. All those drug babies that were born back then and the effects still goes on.
They won't read about because they are in denial as though it never happened.

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9/28/2007  10:23 PM
This is interesting thread.
Now I know what black people really think and why white people are racist.
You are really lucky to leave in America - the lend of soft people.
In Europe or Asia with this kind of attitude you will not survive as a culture.
They were not giving drugs to people - they just select them by race or by nation and killed them all.
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Posted by arkrud:

This is interesting thread.
Now I know what black people really think and why white people are racist.
You are really lucky to leave in America - the lend of soft people.
In Europe or Asia with this kind of attitude you will not survive as a culture.
They were not giving drugs to people - they just select them by race or by nation and killed them all.

Papabear Says

Arkrud I hope everyone see you for what you really are. I need not say no more. Go wash your white sheet and that pointed cap that covers your face.

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