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9/26/2007  4:05 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by misterearl:

with all the dips and twists on the Imus/Isiah thread...

After reading the original article, I figured any post further examining the idiotic notion that what Isiah said somehow means he should be compared to Imus wasn't worth the time.

But I guess I missed something.

yeah there was a lot of stuff to sort through but i thought getting to the killa/blueseats discussion was worth anything you had to bypass to reach it.
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9/26/2007  4:08 PM
Seems clear to me, Earl, that my "lover" attitude isn't appreciated by those interested in maintaining the status quo. I think this is the third time I've had a post removed.

A few dissenters are tolerated, but they can't allow the balance of power to shift.

No matter, I'll post on a board where my views might actually be debated and not just deleted.

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9/26/2007  4:12 PM
Masterplan - then I would offer why don't the mods erase posts that make insulting or demeaning references to Knicks players?

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9/26/2007  4:12 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Seems clear to me, Earl, that my "lover" attitude isn't appreciated by those interested in maintaining the status quo. I think this is the third time I've had a post removed.

A few dissenters are tolerated, but they can't allow the balance of power to shift.

No matter, I'll post on a board where my views might actually be debated and not just deleted.

rembee, for the first 2 years of isiah's reign the love was so thick here that isles was the only clear dissenting voice, and he got slammed from all sides for it. the tone of this board changed with the growing displeasure and disagreement with how the team was being assembled and how it was performing.
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9/26/2007  4:27 PM
Guys, rembees post was seen as being troll like. Not meant to create conversation, rather to create a mess. Obviously thats a judgment call, and sometimes its hard to tell the difference.

We moderate to extent that we feel is necessary. Misterearl, to answer your question....we don't intend to moderate comments that are critical to the Knicks players, and never have. That would be quite difficult and time consuming. The one thing we do try to do is prevent posters from slinging insults at each other, and that has been done so with a varying degree of success. Also, jaydh was correct. The sweeping generalization was included in Rembees post. You should read more carefully.

Lastly, let me reiterate that Martin and I spend our own free time and own money to support this site. We try to make it the best place possible with the amount of time and energy we have. By no means it is perfect or close to it. If anyone is so inclined to think that this is not the place that they would like to hang out at, please feel free to visit some of the other nice knick forums. There are more than a few. I find it interesting that certain individuals that bash this forum (here and in other venues) seem to always come back over and over.
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9/26/2007  4:32 PM
The one valuable feature on the Times board was the ignore feature, which definitely moderated venomous posts. I know it made my life a little more stress free.

Rembee, while your complaints about this site are legitimate (in a one-sided sort of way), I think that you can also do a bit more towards raising the level of discussion. On the Times board and the "other" board, your posts are insightful and approached in a less inflammatory way. Might you be partaking in a bit of a crusade over here against the perceived haters? I would look forward if your posting personality here were more in line with your posting personality over there. Cause when you talk basketball, I agree with you on a lot of stuff.

MisterEarl is the same kooky guy no matter where he posts.

[Edited by - efw on 09-26-2007 4:33 PM]
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9/26/2007  4:35 PM
Posted by misterearl:

I am not convinced "the law" to police all posters in the content of what is written is applied with an even hand however.

Since you are not privy to conversations had (via email) with certain posters regarding their behavior here, and since we do not advertise who gets banned from the board, I'd contend you not it a good position to make that statement.
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9/26/2007  4:36 PM
Andrew, I think you guys generally do a pretty great job around here and I wouldn't be here if I didn't think so. I left realgm after about 3 years as a daily poster because I disagreed with their managerial style, so I don't say that lightly.

That said, might not it have been better to have just asked rembee to edit the questionable components of his post rather than making wholesale deletions? I thought he had an interesting take on things and was looking forward to whatever discussions might ensue.
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9/26/2007  4:42 PM
Posted by Andrew:
I find it interesting that certain individuals that bash this forum (here and in other venues) seem to always come back over and over.

I find it interesting, Andrew, that you don't think it possible to criticize the way this board is operated while, generally, enjoying in participating in it from time to time. While some of it is born of frustration, generally constructive criticism isn’t “bashing” and certainly isn’t in this case where at least two of your better posters didn’t think of what I said as “trolling” at all.

I can respect that someone thought what I said was an unfounded generalization, but allow that person to say so and be answered, instead of cutting off debate entirely.

Nor do I think its unfair for someone to wonder of the even-handedness of your moderating when posts laden by distasteful fat jokes, or posts calling players “dumb” or calling for their execution are tolerated, while my post was summarily deleted after residing on your server for all of 4 minutes.


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9/26/2007  4:51 PM
efw, I have little tolerance for the wholesale and unsupported Knick-bashing that takes place here (A criticism of some posters, Andrew, not the site) so yes, I think that your observation that my posts here are more caustic/sarcastic than they are elsewhere is fair.

In truth, I wouldn't be here at all if I wasn’t shouting out to my boy the Answerman after the Times site went kaput, but outside of the "Marbury Sucks", "Curry is fat" and "Zeke can't coach" posts, there is some good discussion here.

I do think the moderator’s valuable time might be better served ensuring that there was a more palatable ratio of worthwhile to worthless posts, not tramping out controversy. I guess one man's point of view is another man's trolling. Or something like that.
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9/26/2007  4:59 PM
Rembee, as stated in my initial post, its a judgment call. Some may think your comment was something worth discussing, I however saw it as troll like. Sorry, its possible I could have been wrong. I've also spent way too much time on this already. Have a nice day.
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9/26/2007  4:59 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

efw, I have little tolerance for the wholesale and unsupported Knick-bashing that takes place here (A criticism of some posters, Andrew, not the site) so yes, I think that your observation that my posts here are more caustic/sarcastic than they are elsewhere is fair.

1) Knicks-bashing, unsupported? How's that even possible? There are so many good reasons to bash the Knicks it's not even funny. They don't take care of the ball. They don't defend the perimeter. There's two reasons the Knicks get bashed. And I'm not even scratching the surface yet.

2) If you have a solid positive opinion, let it be just that. Don't let yourself get dragged down by what you perceive as negative posts. It's not like we need annoying-positive guys to go with the annoying-negative guys.

That being said, I have no idea what the controversy is about since I missed the deleted posts. However, in conclusion, my band rocks. Thank you.
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9/26/2007  5:15 PM
And Andrew, as I stated in my previous post, the judgment was not even-handed. A "controversial" post supporting one point of view is deemed troll-like, while a moderator posts a far more controversial and hyperbolic opinion piece (speaking of Ms. Jemele Hill's work) and my guess is its all good because it’s bashing a guy it’s A-OK to bash but not defend.

It was a judgment call. So that somehow in and of itself makes whatever that judgment was OK. Right.

And no Evil, not all bashing is unsupported. But the variety we see here often (just spotted today...our guys don't give effort but AK-47 sure does) is not. Or how about bashing the 33 win record while dismissing the injuries as an excuse, or saying Eddy Curry came to camp last year out of shape, or comparing him to Zaza Pechulia, or dismissing Marbury's generous efforts while saying his cooky interviews prove he is an idiot...man I'm not even going to go further. I've spent too much time on this already.
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9/26/2007  6:21 PM
Here's a novel idea, if you don't like it here, don't post here.

How easy was that?

If that's too difficult for some people, I say we just ban all the former NY Times forum members who floated over here after that place was rightfully shutdown.
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9/26/2007  8:08 PM
Martin and Andrew do a good job, but they're human, so they'll make mistakes sometimes. I say we cut them some slack.

I sometimes wonder if it is as much fun for them now as it was when they started.

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9/26/2007  8:36 PM
Go Knicks

[Edited by - misterearl on 09-26-2007 8:57 PM]
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9/26/2007  8:42 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

Martin and Andrew do a good job, but they're human, so they'll make mistakes sometimes. I say we cut them some slack.

I sometimes wonder if it is as much fun for them now as it was when they started.


Why cut them some slack when you can bitch and moan about how this isn't the perfect place according to your own personal standards?

Who cares about the time and money that Martin and Andrew spend on this site, so that we might have a place to congregate and talk about the Knicks, if it doesn't hold up to the high standards set by the NY Times forum that RemBee is so used to?
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9/26/2007  8:43 PM
Posted by misterearl:

Andrew - quick question, why is it that islesfan gets a free pass to personally attack posters?

Who did I personally attack? Jackass.
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