Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by TrueBlue:
I would assume he's o.k. with the hangings and drownings of such animals too.
Someone needs to educate Marbury on the Law and the difference between domestic and non-domestic animals. Perfect example of his stupidity showing here.
Many athletes have spoken out about the Michael Vick situation. The latest is Knicks Star Guard, Stephon Marbury.
Speaking at a shoe release event outside Albany, Marbury said, "We don't say anything about people that shoot deer or shoot other animals. From what I hear dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors. And I think it's tough that we build Michael Vick up and then we break him down. I think he's one of the superb athletes and I think he's a good human being. I just think he fell into a bad situation."
He's right about the media though.
Educating someone on the difference of domestic vs non-dmostic animals is really a trivial, if cultural definition. In this country, dogs and cats are treated better than any other animal, and that is primarily because they are 'domesticated' people own them play with them and love them. This puts people like yourself (and many in the larger society) in the position of making a major distintion between the killing of dogs vs. an animal like a deer; when a major distinction really does not exist. Killing an animal is killing an animal. People who hunt deer, can eat the deer or not, it is irrelevan; they are hunting for sport, and do not depend on deer meat for their survival.
Steph's position is actually quite logical. If killing a deer is ok, why not a dog? What is so much worse about killing a dog? Nothing.
The chinese position, for example, on animals as food is a more logical position as well. The chinese say, we eat animals for food. That means, cows, pigs, dogs, cats, snakes, and many other animals. The Indian positon is that cows are sacred, they are to be treated as one's mother, a giver of milk, a second mother to every child who is not breast fed. The Horse is eaten as meat in many places around the world including France and Italy, but these things are taboo in the US because there is some sentimental value attached to the horse, dog, cat, etc.
There is no correct answer on what animals should be eaten as food, or which animals should be treated better than others. These decisions are made based on cultural values, and not really on anything scientific or substantive.
For the record I think dog fighting is wrong, and I also think hunting deer for sport is wrong. I also think killing human beings over some WMDs that we knew werent there is wrong, and that it trumps all of this talk about dogs and animal cruelty. Interestingly though, I never hear the venom spewed at BUsh and co. the way it is slung at Michael Vick right now. He probably did some bad things to dogs, and hes gonna do some jail time for that. Hes not the Anti-Christ and hes not Hitler, and we really dont know the level of his involvement and never will because everyone rolled over on him to get a reduced sentence. I think many of you do not understand how these types of cases work. I have many friends in federal prison so I am very familiar with the process.
But look at it like this, Sammy the Bull Gravano confessed to 19 murders in a plea deal to nab John Gotti, and was given 5 years on a small racketeering charge in exchange. The feds want Vick, and they will offer others, who may have been more involved, lighter sentences in order to get him. They will say what the feds want them to say, thats just how it works.
This country is at war killing 100's of thousands of people, killing a couple of dogs is not what we should be focussed in on.
So are you a vegetarian because all Cows and Pigs aren't killed to be consumed. Get out of here with that bullcrap. I think most sane humans would like it if we didn't have to kill something in order for us to survive but I used that term in accordance with what the laws state. Let's also stop acting like if what Marbury was supposedly implying by his personal mind readers on this board to be understood as some new Revelation because it isn't. There are plenty of social/animal activist that have put in several yrs of service to get government to better laws to protect living things. Marbury was regurgitating the known and misapplying it to a situation that doesn't fit, making himself look and sound ignorant in the process.
Let me ask anyone who's trying to rational what Idiotbury said.
When is the last time a deer attacked a human being out of the blue and killed them or severely injured them?
When is the last time a pitbull attack dog/fighting dog attacked a human being out of the blue, killing or severely injuring them?
And I'd also like to point out anyone who kills a dog due to poor fighting performance while still relatively healthy deserves no measure of condoning, which is what Marbury was trying to do with his statements.
And the findings at Vick's home had to do with other illegal things, not related to dog fighting, so once again Marbury needs a healthy case of STFU!
[Edited by - TrueBlue on 08-21-2007 10:07 PM]
8/22/2007 9:58 AM