Why are we predicting the Knicks record at this time? What if there are changes to the roster between now and the start of the season? Will posters be held to their predictions?

Is this going on the permanent record?

Also, it's just the Knicks, and it's only basketball. Lighten up. The world does not need more hate. Love is the answer.

Posted by Solace:

Poor Nixluva. I think you overreacted to Bip. He's being blunt, but he's right.

Now, what I posted, wasn't entirely at you or anyone in particular, just a general trend I've noticed.

Right about what? I already said what my opinion was and there's no need for me to restate it just for him. All the other stuff he can keep to himself, cuz I don't wanna hear it. This is a forum and the whole point is to get involved in threads. He's not in my head and doesn't know what i'm thinking, so I don't appreciate his trying to tell me what i'm doing when I post. I didn't overreact to his post. It was clearly patronizing and I don't like to be disrespected like that, i've let a lot of that crap slide from different ones here, but i'm tired of it.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Solace:

Poor Nixluva. I think you overreacted to Bip. He's being blunt, but he's right.

Now, what I posted, wasn't entirely at you or anyone in particular, just a general trend I've noticed.

Right about what? I already said what my opinion was and there's no need for me to restate it just for him. All the other stuff he can keep to himself, cuz I don't wanna hear it. This is a forum and the whole point is to get involved in threads. He's not in my head and doesn't know what i'm thinking, so I don't appreciate his trying to tell me what i'm doing when I post. I didn't overreact to his post. It was clearly patronizing and I don't like to be disrespected like that, i've let a lot of that crap slide from different ones here, but i'm tired of it.

Sorry Nix. I'm goofing with you because you've been a good sport about it. But, certainly, if you're getting offended, I'll stop. I don't think Bippity meant any offense. All Bippity was referring to is the relentless defense of the Knicks. Sometimes when we're having discussions, the topic shifts quickly. Like we'll discuss defense, and a major part of your reply will be how good we are on offense.... which leaves some scratching their heads. Right now, you have a rep for being the, "all positive, all the time channel". I'll admit, you try to explain your points, but often the reasoning is, "because player xyz will improve", which is all speculation, of course.

This past season, we all predicted moderate win totals for the Knicks. The Knicks missed the mark by a significant amount for most of us. Yet, when that happened, the tune changed from "we're great" to "patience, this takes time" and everyone who was disappointed by the Knicks below-expected record was called a pessimist. That is what Bip is referring to. Now Bip was simply asking if the same would happen this year if the Knicks fail to come close to the targetted wins.

Posted by BasketballJones:

Why are we predicting the Knicks record at this time? What if there are changes to the roster between now and the start of the season? Will posters be held to their predictions?

Is this going on the permanent record?

you'll have the chance to update predictions right before the season starts, so now you can base it off of the state of the knicks today.

40-42

I hope I'm wrong. The payroll of even just the starting 5 demands that they at least should be winning 45-50 games.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by Solace:

Poor Nixluva. I think you overreacted to Bip. He's being blunt, but he's right.

Now, what I posted, wasn't entirely at you or anyone in particular, just a general trend I've noticed.

Right about what? I already said what my opinion was and there's no need for me to restate it just for him. All the other stuff he can keep to himself, cuz I don't wanna hear it. This is a forum and the whole point is to get involved in threads. He's not in my head and doesn't know what i'm thinking, so I don't appreciate his trying to tell me what i'm doing when I post. I didn't overreact to his post. It was clearly patronizing and I don't like to be disrespected like that, i've let a lot of that crap slide from different ones here, but i'm tired of it.

Nixluva: If you feel disrespected that is your issue not mine. I am not disrespecting you in the least bit. Those that I disrespect I ignore. Those that I respect I try to get their point of view. As for saying things to you in public, guy I will express my opinion to you in public should we ever meet. Stop being an internet tough guy. After two years you should know that I am unafraid to express my opinion. But that is moot at the moment because we are speaking on a message board and I am expressing my opinion here.

My issue with you is that you are amazingly consistent and inconsistent at the same time. I'm trying to get actual clarifications on your position. Last year I predicted 38-41 wins. You predicted 41-45 or something like that. I tried to explain why I didn't think the Knicks would win 41-45 games. My reasons were chemistry issues(especially in the beginning), perceived depth which would actually be a hindrance, poor defense, pressure to save Isiah, Marbs/Francis etc. Neither your nor I were right or wrong in our reasoning. As a matter of fact we both posted well thought out reasons for our positions and neither was right or wrong. Yet you labled me and others with similar views as pessimists. Racing from post to post trying to cancel out anyone who gave similar reasons that I did above. Explaining how we were missing things and just unable to see what you could see. We were labled Nets fans, pessimists, haters etc. It was maddening. Many of us told you to slow down with your lofty predictions and preached patience. You preached on about Isiah's fancy pancy, poetic motion offense. You went on about our depth. Again, you weren't wrong in this regard, you had very well thought out reasons for why we would have the record you predicted. I respected this opinion and not once called you a name for your reasoning. Not saying others didn't, but I never did. I simply disagreed with you. In return you disrespected me by calling me a Nets fan and a pessimist. Then the team wins 33 games. Disappointed that I had factored in injuries, chemistry problems and still the team didn't meet my expectations, I go on to express my disappointment. You respond by calling me impatient and missing all the amazing things once again that only you are able to see. How could a guy that predicted the highest win total in August, be telling everyone to lower their expectations the following year? It smacks of inconsistency

Fast forward to today. We are in the exact same position. You are predicting 46-36 and I am predicting 43-39(what's the difference). Once again the boardwide predictions are eerily similar. Once again you are going post to post sometimes ignoring the topic at hand(as Solace explained previously) explaining to everyone what they are missing. It's eery how this summer has taken the exact same route as last. Once again, I value your opinion and think your reasoning is solid(except for when you say, "I believe he will improve") even though I disagree with you. Once again, despite similar predictions I am the pessimist and you are the optimist. Once again I am unable to see all the amazing things you see. Once again, you and I are on the exact same page in our hope that the team actually reaches or exceeds YOUR PREDICTION!!!! Now all that being said, since everything is so similar, IF all the things I discussed before like (chemistry issues, lack of defense, injuries etc) come to bite us again at that point am I able to start getting on Isiah and the roster he assembled? During next offseason will I be able to ask for results? IF we have similar results will next offseason be yet another repeat of the last two interactions between the two of us until we finally start winning and you can say "I told you so"? Should I give Isiah 4, 5, 6 years to recover from Laydenitis. For me the results should have come in last year. For you, they should come in this year. Who is to say who is right or wrong. But in your world, because I am a year ahead of you, I am a pessimist and a Net fan. It makes no sense.

If you are offended by this honest opinion than fine. I don't think you should be. I'm just looking for clarification on where you actually stand. You can't predict lofty goals in the offseason and accuse people of being pessimists for not agreeing with your lofty predictions and then turn around and call people pessimists for being upset when the team is unable to even meet their "pessimistic" predictions.

Bip, I said this to him multiple times recently. I think he is conveniently forgetting all that stuff from last year. It's just funny because he called multiple people out and never manned up to it once.

I like Nix, I really mean no illwill towards him, hes a good poster(who I just so happen to disagree with nearly all the time, but so what) but right now he's repeating last years offseason, something he never owned up to after the Knicks poor year and theres no way I'm letting him call myself and others out again.




[Edited by - nyk4ever on 08-02-2007 10:55 AM]

43-39

It was the same way last year. That's why all this hater/lover crap doesn't make sense. I guess the difference some are happy with those results and others are not.

Please. You're either dense, or adept at low level cons. I think board the segregation has more to do with the indiscriminate and relentlessly juvenile shots that are hurled at the Knicks organization --- Isiah and Marbs in particular --- rather than blind optimists having a problem with a nuanced evaluation of the Knicks as currently constituted, even if the analysis is skewed towards the negative.

Your perspectives, and the things you choose to defend, are disappointing...Isnt Bill O' Reilly, Glen Beck, or whatever it is you like, on?

Posted by Allanfan20:

45-37

Is that L-W?