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7/30/2007  12:34 PM
What ever happen to "what has KG Allen or Pierce won before comments".
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7/30/2007  12:34 PM
Posted by Marv:

that doesn't look like a reliable frontcourt rotation to me.

i'm just saying that these assembled mini all star teams late in guys' careers have a poor track record and i'm already going on record that i predict no title for boston with these 3.

There's never a guarantee that a team will win a title but do you think that team would be capable of making it to the NBA Finals? A Conference Finals? In other words, do you think they can be a championship contender?
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7/30/2007  12:36 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Marv:

we'll see how it works out. perkins now has to step up at center? the 3 stars have to figure out a pecking order? it might now work, guys. if i were them, i'd make it clear that ray's the leader with the rock. i'd look to him to score the big points at clutch time.

i know it's an impressive arsenal but i wouldn’t be quick to concede anything to them.

i think marv dunked his dentures in whiskey instead of efferdent this morning.

you gotta soak those things. as you saw i restrict my dunking to the court

i'm serious. anyone else get a feeling these 3 may not translate to a a conference title? who's helping kg on the boards? big baby? who's dealing with young speed in opposing backcourts?


LOL They have

Perkins
Gomes
Powe
Baby
Brandon Wallace(played ok in stretches during SL)


Not to mention K.G. and Paul Pierce are beast on the boards. Rebounding and D will not be a problem on the interior/frontcourt.

that doesn't look like a reliable frontcourt rotation to me.

i'm just saying that these assembled mini all star teams late in guys' careers have a poor track record and i'm already going on record that i predict no title for boston with these 3.


Who said they'd actually win the title but one thing is for sure they'll contend and recent track record shows otherwise.


Show the examples in which it didn't work Marv!


Here are some that did BTW


Payton & Malone joined L.A. and got to the Finals

Payton, Walker, J-Will, Posey went to Miami won a Championship

Finley & Horry went to S.A. won a Championship

Sheed went to the Pistons won a Championship

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-30-2007 11:42 AM]
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7/30/2007  12:41 PM
Dang, that's a nice package. I didn't realize that they were giving up the house and the family car for Garnett.


Minnesota Timberwolves

Incoming Players
Gerald Green
Salary: $1,440,960 Years Remaining: 1

Sebastian Telfair
Salary: $2,562,426 Years Remaining: 1

Al Jefferson
Salary: $2,480,885 Years Remaining: 1

Theo Ratliff
Salary: $11,666,666 Years Remaining: 1


Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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7/30/2007  12:44 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Dang, that's a nice package. I didn't realize that they were giving up the house and the family car for Garnett.


Minnesota Timberwolves

Incoming Players
Gerald Green
Salary: $1,440,960 Years Remaining: 1

Sebastian Telfair
Salary: $2,562,426 Years Remaining: 1

Al Jefferson
Salary: $2,480,885 Years Remaining: 1

Theo Ratliff
Salary: $11,666,666 Years Remaining: 1



Basically they are giving up a possible Franchise player in Jefferson and a possible 2nd tier star in Green. Sebastian is a BUST and Theo is filler. Now are picks involved, that may make this a little more debatable?
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7/30/2007  12:44 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Marv:

we'll see how it works out. perkins now has to step up at center? the 3 stars have to figure out a pecking order? it might now work, guys. if i were them, i'd make it clear that ray's the leader with the rock. i'd look to him to score the big points at clutch time.

i know it's an impressive arsenal but i wouldn’t be quick to concede anything to them.

i think marv dunked his dentures in whiskey instead of efferdent this morning.

you gotta soak those things. as you saw i restrict my dunking to the court

i'm serious. anyone else get a feeling these 3 may not translate to a a conference title? who's helping kg on the boards? big baby? who's dealing with young speed in opposing backcourts?


LOL They have

Perkins
Gomes
Powe
Baby
Brandon Wallace(played ok in stretches during SL)


Not to mention K.G. and Paul Pierce are beast on the boards. Rebounding and D will not be a problem on the interior/frontcourt.

that doesn't look like a reliable frontcourt rotation to me.

i'm just saying that these assembled mini all star teams late in guys' careers have a poor track record and i'm already going on record that i predict no title for boston with these 3.


Who said they'd actually win the title but one thing is for sure they'll contend and recent track record shows otherwise.


Show the examples in which it didn't work Marv!


Here are some that did BTW


Payton & Malone joined L.A. and got to the Finals

Payton, Walker, J-Will, Posey went to Miami won a Championship

Finley & Horry went to S.A. won a Championship

Sheed went to the Pistons won a Championship

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-30-2007 11:42 AM]

payton, malone and finley were all finished with being 20-point scorers at the time of those moves, weren't they?
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7/30/2007  12:48 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

Dang, that's a nice package. I didn't realize that they were giving up the house and the family car for Garnett.


Minnesota Timberwolves

Incoming Players
Gerald Green
Salary: $1,440,960 Years Remaining: 1

Sebastian Telfair
Salary: $2,562,426 Years Remaining: 1

Al Jefferson
Salary: $2,480,885 Years Remaining: 1

Theo Ratliff
Salary: $11,666,666 Years Remaining: 1



Basically they are giving up a possible Franchise player in Jefferson and a possible 2nd tier star in Green. Sebastian is a BUST and Theo is filler. Now are picks involved, that may make this a little more debatable?


All of them have only one year left though. If the young guys work out, I'm guessing they will be restricted free agents, so Minny would benefit by either retaining them or trading them.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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7/30/2007  12:50 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Marv:

we'll see how it works out. perkins now has to step up at center? the 3 stars have to figure out a pecking order? it might now work, guys. if i were them, i'd make it clear that ray's the leader with the rock. i'd look to him to score the big points at clutch time.

i know it's an impressive arsenal but i wouldn’t be quick to concede anything to them.

i think marv dunked his dentures in whiskey instead of efferdent this morning.

you gotta soak those things. as you saw i restrict my dunking to the court

i'm serious. anyone else get a feeling these 3 may not translate to a a conference title? who's helping kg on the boards? big baby? who's dealing with young speed in opposing backcourts?


LOL They have

Perkins
Gomes
Powe
Baby
Brandon Wallace(played ok in stretches during SL)


Not to mention K.G. and Paul Pierce are beast on the boards. Rebounding and D will not be a problem on the interior/frontcourt.

that doesn't look like a reliable frontcourt rotation to me.

i'm just saying that these assembled mini all star teams late in guys' careers have a poor track record and i'm already going on record that i predict no title for boston with these 3.


Who said they'd actually win the title but one thing is for sure they'll contend and recent track record shows otherwise.


Show the examples in which it didn't work Marv!


Here are some that did BTW


Payton & Malone joined L.A. and got to the Finals

Payton, Walker, J-Will, Posey went to Miami won a Championship

Finley & Horry went to S.A. won a Championship

Sheed went to the Pistons won a Championship

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-30-2007 11:42 AM]

payton, malone and finley were all finished with being 20-point scorers at the time of those moves, weren't they?


You're reaching Marv. All those players had egos or were questioned heavily by the critics if they could make it work. They proved the naysayers wrong let's not try and backtrack with the symantics of statistics. Besides show the recent examples in which it didn't work that would be stronger evidence to support your case.

I found another one in which success was accomplished

K.G.
Spree
SS & LL

=

WCF
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7/30/2007  12:55 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Marv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Marv:

we'll see how it works out. perkins now has to step up at center? the 3 stars have to figure out a pecking order? it might now work, guys. if i were them, i'd make it clear that ray's the leader with the rock. i'd look to him to score the big points at clutch time.

i know it's an impressive arsenal but i wouldn’t be quick to concede anything to them.

i think marv dunked his dentures in whiskey instead of efferdent this morning.

you gotta soak those things. as you saw i restrict my dunking to the court

i'm serious. anyone else get a feeling these 3 may not translate to a a conference title? who's helping kg on the boards? big baby? who's dealing with young speed in opposing backcourts?


LOL They have

Perkins
Gomes
Powe
Baby
Brandon Wallace(played ok in stretches during SL)


Not to mention K.G. and Paul Pierce are beast on the boards. Rebounding and D will not be a problem on the interior/frontcourt.

that doesn't look like a reliable frontcourt rotation to me.

i'm just saying that these assembled mini all star teams late in guys' careers have a poor track record and i'm already going on record that i predict no title for boston with these 3.


Who said they'd actually win the title but one thing is for sure they'll contend and recent track record shows otherwise.


Show the examples in which it didn't work Marv!


Here are some that did BTW


Payton & Malone joined L.A. and got to the Finals

Payton, Walker, J-Will, Posey went to Miami won a Championship

Finley & Horry went to S.A. won a Championship

Sheed went to the Pistons won a Championship

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-30-2007 11:42 AM]

payton, malone and finley were all finished with being 20-point scorers at the time of those moves, weren't they?


You're reaching Marv. All those players had egos or were questioned heavily by the critics if they could make it work. They proved the naysayers wrong let's not try and backtrack with the symantics of statistics. Besides show the recent examples in which it didn't work that would be stronger evidence to support your case.

I found another one in which success was accomplished

K.G.
Spree
SS & LL

=

WCF

recent?? i got some mad good examples from the 70's that come immediatelyi to mind but i realize this isn't an oldies call-in show.

all right i'll work on that one, but i seriously think payton, finley and malone were at the mitch richmond "just sign me up for a ring" stage when their moves were made.
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7/30/2007  1:00 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Marv:

we'll see how it works out. perkins now has to step up at center? the 3 stars have to figure out a pecking order? it might now work, guys. if i were them, i'd make it clear that ray's the leader with the rock. i'd look to him to score the big points at clutch time.

i know it's an impressive arsenal but i wouldn’t be quick to concede anything to them.

i think marv dunked his dentures in whiskey instead of efferdent this morning.

you gotta soak those things. as you saw i restrict my dunking to the court

i'm serious. anyone else get a feeling these 3 may not translate to a a conference title? who's helping kg on the boards? big baby? who's dealing with young speed in opposing backcourts?

Im with you here. Im not jumping on this one so fast.

Lots to go wrong.

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7/30/2007  1:00 PM
Seattle nearly pushed the spurs to the brink with allen, lewis, and jerome james. That was two years ago but if your looking at the top 10 guards in the league pierce and allen are in there. Your looking at the top 3 pf in garnett and and the eastern confernce so it's fair to say if healthy that team is coming out of the east
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7/30/2007  1:03 PM
Oh O.K.

Marbury
K.G.
Curry

can compete as contenders but

Allen
Pierce
K.G.

Can't compete... too many things may go wrong


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7/30/2007  1:08 PM
One the decline

Allen
26.4pts 4.5rbs 4.1ass 1.5stls

Pierce
25pts 5.9rbs 4.1ass 1.0stls

If they keep Al Jefferson, or get Garnett I still think they are a better team than the knicks.

By the way on their bench
Ryan Gomes 12.1pts 5.6rbs
Tony Allen 11.5pts 3.8rbs

Rondo/Allen
Allen/Green
Pierce
Gomes
Jefferson
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7/30/2007  1:14 PM
I agree that, if those three stay healthy, they come out of the east and have a good shot of going all the way both this season and next.

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7/30/2007  1:37 PM
K.G.'s agent is working the deal with Danny


http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2007/07/garnett_agent_s.html?p1=MEWell_Pos4

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-30-2007 12:48 PM]
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7/30/2007  1:43 PM
This is shaping up to be one of the most League changing offseasons I can remember. So much movement. The East seems to really be ramping it up. There are going to be so many interesting storylines this year.
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7/30/2007  1:48 PM
Well, after twenty-four hours of encouraging signs, it appears that Kevin Garnett is a Celtic. The Boston Herald is reporting that the deal is "essentially completed."

From the paper's NBA blog:

One involved source said the final package will have the Celts sending Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, Theo Ratliff and a No. 1 pick to Minnesota to acquire Garnett.

They're also saying that there's an extension involved, which was one of last obstacles:

It appears now that the perennial All-Star is willing to forego the opt-out in his current deal for next summer and cast his lot with Paul Pierce, Ray Allen and the Celtics.
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Posted by nixluva:

This is shaping up to be one of the most League changing offseasons I can remember. So much movement. The East seems to really be ramping it up. There are going to be so many interesting storylines this year.

Not to mention we have the ref scandal...
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7/30/2007  1:53 PM
Jefferson, Gomes, Green and a #1 is a stiff price but after getting Allen, they had to go for it.

Gotta give Ainge credit, there's no waffling on plans, they decided to try to win now and went All In, with 3 All-NBA players still playing at a high level.
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7/30/2007  1:53 PM
Let me just say again that Tommy Heinsohn will be absolutely even more unbearable to listen to if this deal happens.
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