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Solace
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7/27/2007  5:03 PM
Honestly, can we please stop talking about Zach and Curry's points until they play a full season together. One or the other, probably both, will be reduced, as we only play with one ball in the NBA
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7/27/2007  5:28 PM
When is the last time the Knicks had a power forward that was a dominant presence and put up 23/10 numbers? Do you ever factor that into anything?
When was the last time before Marbury we had a 20/8 PG who was a dominant penetrator and finisher? How did that work out?
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7/27/2007  5:47 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
When is the last time the Knicks had a power forward that was a dominant presence and put up 23/10 numbers? Do you ever factor that into anything?
When was the last time before Marbury we had a 20/8 PG who was a dominant penetrator and finisher? How did that work out?

We had Clyde at around 23-7 and it worked out pretty well.
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7/27/2007  5:51 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by Bonn1997:
When is the last time the Knicks had a power forward that was a dominant presence and put up 23/10 numbers? Do you ever factor that into anything?
When was the last time before Marbury we had a 20/8 PG who was a dominant penetrator and finisher? How did that work out?

We had Clyde at around 23-7 and it worked out pretty well.

I meant how did getting a 20/8 dominant PG work out. Clyde was more than a 2 category player like Marbury and Zach are.
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7/27/2007  6:06 PM
Yeah, but we're assembling talent. Was Marbury, with his talent level, playing with a power forward capable of dominating night in and night out? Plus a player at 6'10 is generally worth more, has a higher impact, and is usually harder to find than 6 foot guard. (please dont turn that last sentence into a debate point)

I'm not comparing us to the 96 Bulls...You can say there are redundant pieces, and there are obviously flaws and a losing culture, but this is a team where the talent level has increased exponentially over the past couple of years at some key positions and key areas. There are some reasons to be optimistic.
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7/27/2007  7:05 PM
Posted by sebstar:

I'm not comparing us to the 96 Bulls...You can say there are redundant pieces, and there are obviously flaws and a losing culture, but this is a team where the talent level has increased exponentially over the past couple of years at some key positions and key areas. There are some reasons to be optimistic.

are you content to stay the course with this current regime?
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:

I'm not comparing us to the 96 Bulls...You can say there are redundant pieces, and there are obviously flaws and a losing culture, but this is a team where the talent level has increased exponentially over the past couple of years at some key positions and key areas. There are some reasons to be optimistic.

are you content to stay the course with this current regime?

If this current regime wins this year and keeps going with this youth movement why not?
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7/27/2007  7:48 PM
NOAH and Thomas all the way. . No comparison!
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7/27/2007  8:34 PM
What does this post even mean?

Its really curry,chandler, balkman vs thomas, noah, timmy, sweetney
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Posted by JohnWallace44:

What does this post even mean?

Its really curry,chandler, balkman vs thomas, noah, timmy, sweetney

No it's not and that wasn't the intent of the post either.

How many times until you guys acknowledge that Balkman was NOT part of the Curry trade and we traded a $13 MM expiring for a $13 MM expiring and Toronto wanted a year of salary relief, especially since they waived Davis. Ugh. Drilling this point home is like talking to brick walls. Maybe next we can throw David Lee into the trade, since we're just naming random players as part of the trade.

If you want to have that discussion: It's Eddy Curry, Wilson Chandler vs. Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah, Mike Sweetney, and a few second rounders. You might still like our package, you might not. Whatever the case, this thread is clearly on a different topic.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 27 2007 8:41 PM]

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 27 2007 9:25 PM]
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by JohnWallace44:

What does this post even mean?

Its really curry,chandler, balkman vs thomas, noah, timmy, sweetney

No it's not and that wasn't the intent of the post either.

How many times until you guys acknowledge that Balkman was NOT part of the Curry trade and we traded a $13 MM expiring for a $13 MM expiring and Toronto wanted a year of salary relief, especially since they waived Davis almost immediately. Ugh. Drilling this point home is like talking to brick walls. Maybe next we can throw David Lee into the trade, since we're just naming random players as part of the trade.

Maybe because the so called brick walls know the facts while you seem either not know the facts or completely disregard it.

1) The Raptors did not want just any expiring. They turned down Pennys expiring and insisted on Davis who have played there before.
2) Torontos management met with Davis and asked him to report to the team. That they wanted him to play a role for them
3) Antonio Davis played legit minutes as a Raptor. I think it was around 24 minutes per game and actually helping them to 3 straight wins.
4) Antonio Davis started every game for the Raptors that he played in after the trade.
5) The Raptors didnt just decide to cut Davis as you imply. Davis started his first 8 games then missed the next 12 games with a major back injury. Once the team doctors told the team that Davis had a season ending injury they released him since his contract was ending. Thats the only reason they cut him. To open up another roster spot.

LOL Never let the facts get in the way of a empty argument! :)
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Posted by COSSUCKS:

Maybe because the so called brick walls know the facts while you seem either not know the facts or completely disregard it.

1) The Raptors did not want just any expiring. They turned down Pennys expiring and insisted on Davis who have played there before.
2) Torontos management met with Davis and asked him to report to the team. That they wanted him to play a role for them
3) Antonio Davis played legit minutes as a Raptor. I think it was around 24 minutes per game and actually helping them to 3 straight wins.
4) Antonio Davis started every game for the Raptors that he played in after the trade.
5) The Raptors didnt just decide to cut Davis as you imply. Davis started his first 8 games then missed the next 12 games with a major back injury. Once the team doctors told the team that Davis had a season ending injury they released him since his contract was ending. Thats the only reason they cut him. To open up another roster spot.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good empty argument!

Wow, you're full of **** and made up some of the information there. I expect no less than this after what you said about Bonn on the other thread. You're really a piece of work.

Your point makes a whole lot of sense, yeah. The Raptors decided that they wanted Antonio Davis because he was the missing piece to their championship puzzle, and in fact, it wasn't the expiring. Brilliant deduction, even though it's clearly documented that that is untrue. They didn't turn down Penny. Penny was held out for a different trade, partially because he wanted to go back to Orlando.
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7/27/2007  9:11 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by COSSUCKS:

Maybe because the so called brick walls know the facts while you seem either not know the facts or completely disregard it.

1) The Raptors did not want just any expiring. They turned down Pennys expiring and insisted on Davis who have played there before.
2) Torontos management met with Davis and asked him to report to the team. That they wanted him to play a role for them
3) Antonio Davis played legit minutes as a Raptor. I think it was around 24 minutes per game and actually helping them to 3 straight wins.
4) Antonio Davis started every game for the Raptors that he played in after the trade.
5) The Raptors didnt just decide to cut Davis as you imply. Davis started his first 8 games then missed the next 12 games with a major back injury. Once the team doctors told the team that Davis had a season ending injury they released him since his contract was ending. Thats the only reason they cut him. To open up another roster spot.

Never let the facts get in the way of a good empty argument!

Wow, you're full of **** and made up some of the information there. I expect no less than this after what you said about Bonn on the other thread. You're really a piece of work.

Your point makes a whole lot of sense, yeah. The Raptors decided that they wanted Antonio Davis because he was the missing piece to their championship puzzle, and in fact, it wasn't the expiring. Brilliant deduction, even though it's clearly documented that that is untrue. They didn't turn down Penny. Penny was held out for a different trade, partially because he wanted to go back to Orlando.

I believe thats called a deflection.
Everything I posted was a fact.
When confronted with the facts you decide to turn to denials, deflections and spins.
Toronto absolutely turned down Penny. It was reported in all the NY papers.
You also seem to have missed all the other facts I posted that were dead on accurate.
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7/27/2007  9:12 PM
No where did I say anything about a championship puzzle. Just more dishonesty on your part
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7/27/2007  9:13 PM
COS, even if your "version" of history were correct, Balkman was STILL not part of the trade with Chicago. We got Antonio Davis in return, not Renaldo Balkman. Do you deny this? If not, then stop including Balkman in the trade, because THAT is a flat out LIE, you pathetic piece of trash.
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7/27/2007  9:19 PM
Posted by Solace:

COS, even if your "version" of history were correct, Balkman was STILL not part of the trade with Chicago. We got Antonio Davis in return, not Renaldo Balkman. Do you deny this? If not, then stop including Balkman in the trade, because THAT is a flat out LIE, you pathetic piece of trash.

I guess everyone seeing the truth has really got you upset. :)
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7/27/2007  9:21 PM
Posted by COSSUCKS:
Posted by Solace:

COS, even if your "version" of history were correct, Balkman was STILL not part of the trade with Chicago. We got Antonio Davis in return, not Renaldo Balkman. Do you deny this? If not, then stop including Balkman in the trade, because THAT is a flat out LIE, you pathetic piece of trash.

I guess everyone seeing the truth has really got you upset. :)

The truth, from you, would be a refreshing change, sockpuppet. I'm not fond of liars. You say Balkman was in the trade. He wasn't. Period. Again, let's stop including him in a trade he wasn't part of. You also rubbed me the wrong way earlier but being an ******* to a buddy of mine. You owe him an apology. That is all.

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7/27/2007  9:24 PM
Darn more of that truth stuff for you.
Antonio Davis released by Raptors

Raptors News | Mar. 23, 2006

Antonio DavisThe Toronto Raptors announced Thursday they have waived centre Antonio Davis.

"After receiving a second opinion on Antonio's lingering back problems, it is very unlikely that he would return to competitive action this season with the Raptors," said Bryan Colangelo, president and general manager of the Raptors. "After lengthy discussions with Antonio regarding his physical condition and his general sense of disappointment over his personally difficult year, we have concluded that it's in the best interest of both the organization and Antonio Davis to simply release him at this late point of the season."

Davis had missed the past 12 games after suffering a back injury in the third quarter February 27 in Miami. He was acquired in a February 3 trade with New York and appeared in eight games with Toronto averaging 4.4 points and 4.5 rebounds in 23.9 minutes. Davis, who had previously played with the Raptors from 1999-2004, is the franchise’s all-time leading rebounder with 2,839.
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7/27/2007  9:27 PM
Ahh, I found the part of my post you're getting hung on. I corrected my earlier post since you read the whole thing and got caught on one word. I've been up for over 20 hours consecutively and misspoke about something. Sue me. The point still stands. They traded because of the contract, and that is a well documented fact. Disprove that.
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7/27/2007  11:02 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by sebstar:

I'm not comparing us to the 96 Bulls...You can say there are redundant pieces, and there are obviously flaws and a losing culture, but this is a team where the talent level has increased exponentially over the past couple of years at some key positions and key areas. There are some reasons to be optimistic.

are you content to stay the course with this current regime?


Eh, for now yes; to me it would be counterproductive to switch up the regime right now. Isiah's tenure has been a mixed bag, but hopefully there are enough pieces in place for a good season and something to build on. Playtime has to be over --- Zeke needs to win to build some faith in the fanbase and justify his salary. No way around it.
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