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Solace
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7/23/2007  6:07 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Records with the Knicks:

Layden - .491
Isiah - .506

Neither are good.

Where the hell did you get that Isiah number? The Knicks have been below .500 every year since Isiah has been here.
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7/23/2007  6:07 PM
Polar opposites, yes.

Layden took an Eastern Conference Finals team and turned them into a team headed to 25 wins with zero prospects for improvement. Unless you count Maciej Lampe. Do you?

Isiah took over that team and in a year less time, and despite Allan Houston's retirement, has shown noticeable improvement while building on youth and potential. No, Zach Randolph, as much as I may dislike him, is no Othella Harrington.

But if we can't agree on this basic a point, then yes, I will back down because our view points are too far apart to make this anything but pointless.
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7/23/2007  6:08 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Did someone say that fans were alright with Layden? Possibly the worst post since the "Duncan is garbage post of the summer of 2004"

So you admit you made a bad post at that time.
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7/23/2007  6:09 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Layden took an Eastern Conference Finals team and turned them into a team headed to 25 wins with zero prospects for improvement. Unless you count Maciej Lampe. Do you?

Nobody is defending Layden here, but 25 wins... come on. Not to mention that Isiah coincidentally took over right before the easiest 4 game stretch of the entire season. I suppose he gets credit for those wins, even though they were Layden's players.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 23 2007 6:10 PM]
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7/23/2007  6:11 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by islesfan:
People were fine with Layden??? Show me one.

I've read here, more than once, from certified UK Mafia members, that the McDyess trade would have been a good one for us if he had turned out to be healthy.
But under Isiah its all about the rebuild.

Go figure.

We need a search engine foreal, because that statement has been said on here recently. I remember arguing against the idea that the McDyess deal was a good move by Layden.

That deal was horrible. Not only did it coast us Camby (the same guy most here want back in the worst way) but it cost us a shot at Stoudamire or Butler who were both available to us in that draft.
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7/23/2007  6:12 PM
His first two years Bip, yes, people were alright with Layden. People here still back the worst trade the man who is now an assistant to an assistant coach in Utah ever made.

My point further proven by nyk4ever's post, where he posts the composite winning % for a GM who did not acquire a singleone of the players his team won with his first two seasons.

Doesn't matter. We were winning. That means Layden was better despite the team's downward trajectory.

Its all about the Ws, all I have been saying the whole time.
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7/23/2007  6:15 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

We need a search engine foreal, because that statement has been said on here recently. I remember arguing against the idea that the McDyess deal was a good move by Layden.

That deal was horrible. Not only did it coast us Camby (the same guy most here want back in the worst way) but it cost us a shot at Stoudamire or Butler who were both available to us in that draft.

Mixed views on that one. The deal was bad, but I don't think there was any chance we were drafting Stoudamire. Rumors had us taking Nene or (gasp) Jared Jeffries if we kept the pick. I hated the trade because I thought Camby + Nene was too much for a healthy McDyess. That being said, a healthy McDyess is an awesome player and we probably would've won 45+ that year, which would've been huge for a GM desperately trying to keep his job. But, McDyess got injured and a trade with lack of forsight turned into a disaster.
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7/23/2007  6:16 PM
Posted by Solace:
Nobody is defending Layden here, but 25 wins... come on. [Edited by - Solace on Jul 23 2007 6:10 PM]

10-19 when Isiah took over. Projects out to roughly 28 wins. Factor in that this 10-19 was with Allan Houston putting up 20ppg in the first half of the season before going down in the second and yes, 25 wins is generous.
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7/23/2007  6:17 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Records with the Knicks:

Layden - .491
Isiah - .506

Neither are good.

Where the hell did you get that Isiah number? The Knicks have been below .500 every year since Isiah has been here.

I just recalculated and I have Isiah at a .393 winning percentage as GM during his tenure with the Knicks.

[Edited by - Solace on Jul 23 2007 6:31 PM]
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7/23/2007  6:19 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by bigbeast:

We need a search engine foreal, because that statement has been said on here recently. I remember arguing against the idea that the McDyess deal was a good move by Layden.

That deal was horrible. Not only did it coast us Camby (the same guy most here want back in the worst way) but it cost us a shot at Stoudamire or Butler who were both available to us in that draft.

Mixed views on that one. The deal was bad, but I don't think there was any chance we were drafting Stoudamire. Rumors had us taking Nene or (gasp) Jared Jeffries if we kept the pick. I hated the trade because I thought Camby + Nene was too much for a healthy McDyess. That being said, a healthy McDyess is an awesome player and we probably would've won 45+ that year, which would've been huge for a GM desperately trying to keep his job. But, McDyess got injured and a trade with lack of forsight turned into a disaster.


But thats the problem, he wasn't healthy. Trading for a player who just missed the season before, due to a knee injury and not to mention a player who relies heavily on athleticism and playing above the rim was bad business.
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7/23/2007  6:20 PM
Posted by RemBee76:
Posted by nyk4ever:
I think the only thing you'll hear from people around here is that Layden was better than Isiah

I rest my case.

You rest your case on that???

What do you think is better, to be punched in the face or to be kicked in the nuts?

Whichever one you pick, the conclusion can be made that you'd like people to do that to you.
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7/23/2007  6:20 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

10-19 when Isiah took over. Projects out to roughly 28 wins. Factor in that this 10-19 was with Allan Houston putting up 20ppg in the first half of the season before going down in the second and yes, 25 wins is generous.

Whatever. As if that's a valid sample size -- not to mention the injuries the team faced to START out the season, that when Isiah jumped in, that was the first time the team was actually healthy But, honestly I don't care, so you can twist and make up facts as you want to support your case. It's years ago and not worth arguing over. I never liked Layden, but to argue that Isiah is better than Layden is like saying you like rotten grapes better than rotten cherries. Who cares?
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7/23/2007  6:21 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by bigbeast:

We need a search engine foreal, because that statement has been said on here recently. I remember arguing against the idea that the McDyess deal was a good move by Layden.

That deal was horrible. Not only did it coast us Camby (the same guy most here want back in the worst way) but it cost us a shot at Stoudamire or Butler who were both available to us in that draft.

Mixed views on that one. The deal was bad, but I don't think there was any chance we were drafting Stoudamire. Rumors had us taking Nene or (gasp) Jared Jeffries if we kept the pick. I hated the trade because I thought Camby + Nene was too much for a healthy McDyess. That being said, a healthy McDyess is an awesome player and we probably would've won 45+ that year, which would've been huge for a GM desperately trying to keep his job. But, McDyess got injured and a trade with lack of forsight turned into a disaster.

But thats the problem, he wasn't healthy. Trading for a player who just missed the season before, due to a knee injury and not to mention a player who relies heavily on athleticism and playing above the rim was bad business.

I agree. Not a good deal from most perspectives. I think it was a desperation move that had a 'chance' of working out... but it didn't, and here we are.
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7/23/2007  6:27 PM
Posted by islesfan:
What do you think is better, to be punched in the face or to be kicked in the nuts?

Give me a break. You deny that 43 wins would make a difference but already, in this very thread, you have posters justifying a win-now move on the back of a 38 win team with zero future prospects.

You don't get it, I really can not help.


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7/23/2007  6:29 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Give me a break. You deny that 43 wins would make a difference but already, in this very thread, you have posters justifying a win-now move on the back of a 38 win team with zero future prospects.

You don't get it, I really can not help.

I am not justifying the move. I repeatedly said I thought it was bad move. I said I could understand it. Big difference, but thanks for playing the "I'm a dip**** who can't read" game.
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7/23/2007  6:29 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Records with the Knicks:

Layden - .491
Isiah - .506

Neither are good.

Where the hell did you get that Isiah number? The Knicks have been below .500 every year since Isiah has been here.

Forgive me. I found in a webpage with his record and in my haste to respond to RemBee, I didn't look carefully enough. That is his record as a coach.. I should have known better to think it was that high!

Isiah's record is actually 118-182 which equates to .393
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7/23/2007  6:32 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Records with the Knicks:

Layden - .491
Isiah - .506

Neither are good.

Where the hell did you get that Isiah number? The Knicks have been below .500 every year since Isiah has been here.

Forgive me. I found in a webpage with his record and in my haste to respond to RemBee, I didn't look carefully enough. That is his record as a coach.. I should have known better to think it was that high!

Isiah's record is actually 118-182 which equates to .393

Much better. Although I'm sure some lover idiot will now hang on to the incorrect stat and continue to hold onto it even after getting corrected 10 times. It's the lover way.
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7/23/2007  6:32 PM
Posted by RemBee76:


My point further proven by nyk4ever's post, where he posts the composite winning % for a GM who did not acquire a singleone of the players his team won with his first two seasons.

Sorry, put the wrong % up.

So lets take out the first 2 seasons... Layden was 77-115. which equates to .406 compares to Isiahs .393.

What does that equate to? That they BOTH SUCK!
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7/23/2007  6:37 PM
My one and only point in this whole thread is that you are trying to paint Isiah to be a better GM than Scott Layden when its not true and the one and ONLY REASON its not true is because the both of them are horrible.
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7/23/2007  6:56 PM
Basic point from me nyk4ever is that Layden got 4 full years to take a 50 win team and turn it into a 25 win squad.

Isiah should get 4 years, at least, to build on the mess he inherited.

Let’s talk about this again if we start out 10-19 next year.
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