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7/17/2007  2:13 PM
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Then when you factor Harris never got to see the guy work out and selected him off of his Dads recommendation, it's no wonder how this is turning out.

That's a bit of a misleading statement. Some of the Bucks scouts also saw Yi. But Larry Harris never saw Yi play in person.

Even with that, still a dumb move.
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7/17/2007  2:16 PM
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Wasn't there an offer on the table from Chris Mullin to give up Biedrins and a future pick for him? I'd take it if it's still on the table.

if that was the offer, that's about as good an offer as MIL is going to get... that offer may not be on the table now that Yi came out with this though... MIL will probably end up accepting a lesser offer now... serves them right if they passed on that one from Mullin.

It was just scuttlebutt talk coming more from Milwaukee's front. It never was a legit offer.
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7/17/2007  2:18 PM
Posted by TMS:

Yi & his camp gave MIL all the warnings to try & prevent this from happening... MIL chose to play hardball, so Yi's camp is returning the favor... it's business, nothing more, nothing less.

now it's up to MIL to try & get some value for him in a trade, because there's no way they are in any position of power on this one... i'm sorry to break that news to you guys who seem to think it's the NBA that's doing Yi a favor by "allowing" him to play here while profiting boatloads from marketing their game to all those Chinamen.

Do you think its ok for players to try and choose where they are going to go, TMS?

I just don't like that kind of stuff, no matter who you are. I am a Giants fan and I didn't even want Eli Manning when he pulled that card. I hate it. You are lucky enough to have the chance to play in the NBA when you are drafted and when you become a free-agent you can goto any team you desire but who are you when you haven't even played a second in this league? Thats what bothers me most.
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7/17/2007  2:19 PM
Posted by Solace:
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Then when you factor Harris never got to see the guy work out and selected him off of his Dads recommendation, it's no wonder how this is turning out.

That's a bit of a misleading statement. Some of the Bucks scouts also saw Yi. But Larry Harris never saw Yi play in person.

Even with that, still a dumb move.

Actually the statement how I phrased it is exactly what happened. I didn't say none of the Bucks saw him play or workout. When you're talking to your dad about a draft prospect, whether you should draft him or not is all that needs to be said how in the dark he was with this pick.
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7/17/2007  2:24 PM
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Yi & his camp gave MIL all the warnings to try & prevent this from happening... MIL chose to play hardball, so Yi's camp is returning the favor... it's business, nothing more, nothing less.

now it's up to MIL to try & get some value for him in a trade, because there's no way they are in any position of power on this one... i'm sorry to break that news to you guys who seem to think it's the NBA that's doing Yi a favor by "allowing" him to play here while profiting boatloads from marketing their game to all those Chinamen.

Do you think its ok for players to try and choose where they are going to go, TMS?

I just don't like that kind of stuff, no matter who you are. I am a Giants fan and I didn't even want Eli Manning when he pulled that card. I hate it. You are lucky enough to have the chance to play in the NBA when you are drafted and when you become a free-agent you can goto any team you desire but who are you when you haven't even played a second in this league? Thats what bothers me most.


I don't like it, but it's business... I also don't like sports teams using up players & then dumping them when it suits their purposes either... it's a 2 way street... MIL knew the risks going in & they chose to ignore them... i have absolutely no sympathy for them right now... they made their bed, now they gotta sleep in it... they could have easily swung a draft day trade & gotten a nice player in exchange for Yi if they weren't so dead set on playing hardball... i don't have a problem w/Yi & his handlers playing hardball now either.
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7/17/2007  2:34 PM
Posted by TMS:

I don't like it, but it's business... I also don't like sports teams using up players & then dumping them when it suits their purposes either... it's a 2 way street... MIL knew the risks going in & they chose to ignore them... i have absolutely no sympathy for them right now... they made their bed, now they gotta sleep in it... they could have easily swung a draft day trade & gotten a nice player in exchange for Yi if they weren't so dead set on playing hardball... i don't have a problem w/Yi & his handlers playing hardball now either.

I see your side with Milwaukee, but seriously, whose to say where they can and can't play when they haven't even stepped foot on an NBA court? I just don't get that. Maybe it's me.
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7/17/2007  2:36 PM
You are all missing the salient point here- it isn't Yi picking where he wants to play? It isn't his agent- it's China & the communist dictatorship & their agents.

I'm normally a pretty liberal guy- and the above looks funny. This isn't a man making a decision for himself. Its an organized body making a decision for Yi that's in their interests, not Yi.

If Yi said he doesn't want to play in Milwaukee- I'd be fine with it- but this isn't the case.

Its not racist- its political. Play by our rules (the draft) or not.

Still- way bad move by the Bucks picking this kid- and against the knicks he looked pretty lost.
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7/17/2007  2:45 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
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I don't like it, but it's business... I also don't like sports teams using up players & then dumping them when it suits their purposes either... it's a 2 way street... MIL knew the risks going in & they chose to ignore them... i have absolutely no sympathy for them right now... they made their bed, now they gotta sleep in it... they could have easily swung a draft day trade & gotten a nice player in exchange for Yi if they weren't so dead set on playing hardball... i don't have a problem w/Yi & his handlers playing hardball now either.

I see your side with Milwaukee, but seriously, whose to say where they can and can't play when they haven't even stepped foot on an NBA court? I just don't get that. Maybe it's me.

if you look at it like it's business & it's easier to not be so bothered by it... think of yourself graduating out of MIT at the top of your class & being recruited by a company that you didn't want to work for (i know it's a huge stretch to imagine that but humor me bro ;p)... say you had told them you wouldn't work for them if they tried to recruit you, but they decided they'd go after you anyway... do you have the right to state a preference of where you want to work straight out of college? you do if you're highly touted & many companies want you... on the other hand, if you're graduating out of community college with a C average, you really don't have much choice in the matter on where you go, so you accept whatever acceptable job that becomes available & thank your lucky stars that you're not baggin' groceries or pumpin' gas someplace... i know it's not exactly the same thing since the draft is not the same as being recruited as a free agent... in Yi's case, he can easily forego playing for MIL, go play for his home team & bide his time if he wants to sign on w/a team as a free agent down the road... it's his choice to make, & i don't begrudge him of that... it's 3 years of his life that he's committing to here if he decides to go to MIL... MIL shouldn't be able to force someone to go someplace they don't want to go... they had the option of trading Yi's rights to get a talented player in return, & they passed up on it... they made their choice, now Yi is making his... it's business to me.

personally, if this was the Knicks we were talking about, i wouldn't want any part of a player that didn't want to play here, no matter how talented.
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7/17/2007  2:52 PM
Posted by TMS:

if you look at it like it's business & it's easier to not be so bothered by it... think of yourself graduating out of MIT at the top of your class & being recruited by a company that you didn't want to work for (i know it's a huge stretch to imagine that but humor me bro ;p)... say you had told them you wouldn't work for them if they tried to recruit you, but they decided they'd go after you anyway... do you have the right to state a preference of where you want to work straight out of college? you do if you're highly touted & many companies want you... on the other hand, if you're graduating out of community college with a C average, you really don't have much choice in the matter on where you go, so you accept whatever acceptable job that becomes available & thank your lucky stars that you're not baggin' groceries or pumpin' gas someplace... i know it's not exactly the same thing since the draft is not the same as being recruited as a free agent... in Yi's case, he can easily forego playing for MIL, go play for his home team & bide his time if he wants to sign on w/a team as a free agent down the road... it's his choice to make, & i don't begrudge him of that... it's 3 years of his life that he's committing to here if he decides to go to MIL... MIL shouldn't be able to force someone to go someplace they don't want to go... they had the option of trading Yi's rights to get a talented player in return, & they passed up on it... they made their choice, now Yi is making his... it's business to me.

personally, if this was the Knicks we were talking about, i wouldn't want any part of a player that didn't want to play here, no matter how talented.

I see your side, I really do TMS. I'm going to use your same example, about the whole getting out of college and getting a job thing. And don't think I didn't see that little snide comment you threw in there!

Anyways, say I got out of college and said. "Alright, I just graduated, I've never shown any employer what I can do aside from graduating college and showing them the courses I've taken (which can be compared against NBA pre-draft workouts.) I haven't proven myself but employers know my grades (comparable to height/weight/length/wingspan/jumpshot/rebounding - all that good stuff.) Now that I'm out, I want to work for Google and only Google and anyone who else that tries to hire me will just get shot down. If I take that stance, I'll be on the street with no job EVER because I wasn't smart enough to take a job, work really hard until I am ready to leave (comparable to NBA free-agency) and take my skills to whatever company I want.

If I did what Yi did, I'd be on the streets because I wouldn't be able to find a job anywhere.
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7/17/2007  3:09 PM
You wouldn't be on the street if Google wanted to hire you though... that's my point.

Yi has options because he's a desirable commodity... this is the same as when Kobe, Francis, Eli & all the rest tried to dictate where they would go too... these guys are using whatever leverage they can to make sure they go to a place where they'll be comfortable & enjoy playing while maximizing their marketing potential.

it's not that bad in my eyes... i look at it as a business decision... the teams use the players to make money & vice versa... it's not like we're talking about some unknown out of Junior College that's trying to make demands here... Yi is a highly touted commodity & a potential goldmine in terms of international marketing dollars... IMO, Yi & his camp have every right to use whatever leverage they can to try & position him someplace where he can maximize his marketing potential... it's what's good for him & what's good for the NBA also... the only ones that lose here is MIL, & that's only because they tried to play hardball & lost... this situation could have easily worked out with all parties involved benefitting in the process... it still can, but now it's going to be more difficult for MIL to get back fair value, which really they don't have anyone to blame but themselves IMO.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-17-2007 3:10 PM]
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7/17/2007  3:20 PM
Posted by TMS:

You wouldn't be on the street if Google wanted to hire you though... that's my point.

Yi has options because he's a desirable commodity... this is the same as when Kobe, Francis, Eli & all the rest tried to dictate where they would go too... these guys are using whatever leverage they can to make sure they go to a place where they'll be comfortable & enjoy playing while maximizing their marketing potential.

it's not that bad in my eyes... i look at it as a business decision... the teams use the players to make money & vice versa... it's not like we're talking about some unknown out of Junior College that's trying to make demands here... Yi is a highly touted commodity & a potential goldmine in terms of international marketing dollars... IMO, Yi & his camp have every right to use whatever leverage they can to try & position him someplace where he can maximize his marketing potential... it's what's good for him & what's good for the NBA also... the only ones that lose here is MIL, & that's only because they tried to play hardball & lost... this situation could have easily worked out with all parties involved benefitting in the process... it still can, but now it's going to be more difficult for MIL to get back fair value, which really they don't have anyone to blame but themselves IMO.

[Edited by - TMS on 07-17-2007 3:10 PM]

Hmm, I suppose you are right since there are plenty of other teams that are interested in Yi.

I don't know, it just doesnt sit right with me but I guess I'm not the one whose moving to a new continent, that tall and extremely skilled at basketball.
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7/17/2007  3:24 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
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Then when you factor Harris never got to see the guy work out and selected him off of his Dads recommendation, it's no wonder how this is turning out.

That's a bit of a misleading statement. Some of the Bucks scouts also saw Yi. But Larry Harris never saw Yi play in person.

Even with that, still a dumb move.

Actually the statement how I phrased it is exactly what happened. I didn't say none of the Bucks saw him play or workout. When you're talking to your dad about a draft prospect, whether you should draft him or not is all that needs to be said how in the dark he was with this pick.

Well his father is Del Harris, for one. Secondly, agreed, he consulted his father. However, the implication I've heard hinted at is that Del Harris was the only or main source... not true. He also used his own scouts.
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7/17/2007  4:26 PM
Posted by TMS:

Goddamn Orientals gotta learn their place... shouldn't they be building a railroad or doing some laundry someplace instead of daring to step to the NBA?

Stop playing the race card. No one mentioned any Chinese stereotypes but you yourself. Everyone or I at least, has limited their opinion on strictly basketball. Apparently playing basketball at the highest level isn't enough for this guy and his officials/agents because he is concerned about marketability, which he has absolutely none because no one has seen this guy play the way you're supposed to play if you want marketability, and its making me sick.

He needs to seriously keep his mouth shut like Yao Ming who is a true professional has, suck it up and just play in Milwaukee.

You got guys whining about not wanting to make millions in Milwaukee, but in NY, Golden State, LA, etc. Pathetic.

[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 07-17-2007 4:33 PM]
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7/17/2007  4:52 PM
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"This is not -- as media reports have said -- because Milwaukee, as a city with very few Chinese people, is not good for Yi's commercial development," Chen said. "Rather we want to find a team suitable for Yi's growth. That's the root of the problem," he added.

Am I alone in flat-out not buying this?

Isn't this what Eli Manning did? Why does the agenda have to be different when a foreigner wants to pull the American Way?

There's a difference between refusing to go to a team because they have a bad organization and doing it because they have a small market. Francis never should have been allowed to do that.
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Posted by JrZyHuStLa:
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Goddamn Orientals gotta learn their place... shouldn't they be building a railroad or doing some laundry someplace instead of daring to step to the NBA?

Stop playing the race card. No one mentioned any Chinese stereotypes but you yourself. Everyone or I at least, has limited their opinion on strictly basketball. Apparently playing basketball at the highest level isn't enough for this guy and his officials/agents because he is concerned about marketability, which he has absolutely none because no one has seen this guy play the way you're supposed to play if you want marketability, and its making me sick.

He needs to seriously keep his mouth shut like Yao Ming who is a true professional has, suck it up and just play in Milwaukee.

You got guys whining about not wanting to make millions in Milwaukee, but in NY, Golden State, LA, etc. Pathetic.

[Edited by - jrzyhustla on 07-17-2007 4:33 PM]

look, i don't really feel like getting into this again... plenty of discriminatory comments were made on other threads about Yi trying to dictate his fate that had absolutely nothing to do w/basketball (not saying by you necessarily)... i was obviously making an exaggerated point to poke fun at some of that ignorance.

keeping it to basketball, i already explained why i think he's got every right to try & leverage his way to a market where he will realize his max marketing potential... some people around here act like the NBA is letting this guy play in this country out of the goodness of their hearts & Yi has some nerve in trying to position himself in a more suitable market for himself & his camp... gimme a freakin break, the NBA stands to make a helluva lot more money with international marketing than what MIL is going to be paying Yi on any rookie contract if they can place this guy in the right market... why do you think David Stern is trying to accomodate him? because he's a charitable individual? that's almost as ignorant a viewpoint as the one some others were proliferating that had nothing to do w/the basketball side of it, let me tell ya.
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7/17/2007  7:05 PM
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"This is not -- as media reports have said -- because Milwaukee, as a city with very few Chinese people, is not good for Yi's commercial development," Chen said. "Rather we want to find a team suitable for Yi's growth. That's the root of the problem," he added.

Am I alone in flat-out not buying this?

Isn't this what Eli Manning did? Why does the agenda have to be different when a foreigner wants to pull the American Way?

There's a difference between refusing to go to a team because they have a bad organization and doing it because they have a small market. Francis never should have been allowed to do that.

Stop spinning it. Who said San Diego was bad.... the Mannings? They were a up and coming team and hence are currently competing as Superbowl contenders while the Giants are competing as Playoff pretenders. As if John Fassell and Tom Mccaughling haven't driven the Giants into the ground practically. That was a punk move by Eli period. The Hypocrisy is being laid on thick in this thread.
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7/17/2007  9:04 PM
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Come on Stern, ban Yi from the NBA and while you're at it tell Yao to go home too until they stop being babies.

Right, because Yao is 1 of "them" too, right? Please.

Come on bro, you taking me seriously? Yao is pretty easy to pick on.

For real though, if a player pulls crap like this and goes back home, fine do that, but you should never be allowed in the NBA again. Its not fair to the other teams.
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Come on Stern, ban Yi from the NBA and while you're at it tell Yao to go home too until they stop being babies.

Right, because Yao is 1 of "them" too, right? Please.

Come on bro, you taking me seriously? Yao is pretty easy to pick on.

For real though, if a player pulls crap like this and goes back home, fine do that, but you should never be allowed in the NBA again. Its not fair to the other teams.

Yeah, cuz Yao doesn't know Kung Fu like the rest of those chinamen.
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Come on Stern, ban Yi from the NBA and while you're at it tell Yao to go home too until they stop being babies.

Right, because Yao is 1 of "them" too, right? Please.

Come on bro, you taking me seriously? Yao is pretty easy to pick on.

For real though, if a player pulls crap like this and goes back home, fine do that, but you should never be allowed in the NBA again. Its not fair to the other teams.

my bad if you were kidding around... i disagree w/ur point tho... players pull this stuff all the time... if we were to kick out every player who wanted to try & leverage their position to end up where they wanted, then there would be a ton of top talented players playing overseas right about now... how does that benefit the NBA in any way, shape or form?
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Come on bro, you taking me seriously? Yao is pretty easy to pick on.

For real though, if a player pulls crap like this and goes back home, fine do that, but you should never be allowed in the NBA again. Its not fair to the other teams.

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my bad if you were kidding around... i disagree w/ur point tho... players pull this stuff all the time... if we were to kick out every player who wanted to try & leverage their position to end up where they wanted, then there would be a ton of top talented players playing overseas right about now... how does that benefit the NBA in any way, shape or form?
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You have some names to throw out there? I can't think of anyone really.
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