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Posted by TrueBlue:

TrueBlue noticed that Bip called Blueseats TrueBlue 2 in this thread after being called out on it.


Blue sorry for adopting the reverse handle but it amazes me after almost 1yr changing the handle, we still have about 3 people on this board botching our identity.


Boy is Bip on mission to put on his complete suit of armor to defend "BetterHoBury"

This is what it normally boils down to. What am I defending him about? His shoes?

Sorry for the mixup but your names are too close. If you don't want to be confused try a different handle. Otherwise deal with it my friend.

You seem to have a huge problem with those who don't see this movement as a movement? That's defending "BetterHoBury"

Make sure you don't confuse me with bluenornage he driveby post here also. There's another blue on this board but the handle Escapegoats me at the moment.

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While I do understand being annoyed by the fact that this is called charity, I don't understand why such a good thing is being turned into something bad.

Can someone please document where anyone has made this into "something bad"?

People are poking fun at the hype of the "movement", the hubris that surrounds Marbury's aspect of it (in contrast to, say, Steve and Barry themselves), and the gullibility of so many that lap up every aspect of the PR.

Exaggerating that into people "turning this into something bad" is an unworthy deflection of a worthwhile discussion.

So what you are saying is that when we discuss Marbury's shoes the brainiacs among us are actually making fun of the foolish fans for falling for the "charity" PR. And that these posts never deviate into attacks on Marbs, his career, his intellect etc. Good one.

No bip, I asked for those who insist that people are turning his shoe gig into "something bad" to evidence it, and until they do it's a diversion from the actual discussion at hand. It's called a straw man.

How about this trueBlue I beleive it happens often. You beleive it never happens. Let's leave it at that.

hey Bobo, Did you just call me TrueBlue?

I have never heard anyone call the actual shoes and the cost of the shoes a bad thing.

Thank you, I rest my case.

But I have heard the campaign, Marbs, the length of time he spends on the campaign attacked on a regular basis. To me it's agenda driven. To you it's only about the charity aspect. I guess we can leave it at that as well.

I don't think it's only about the charity aspect, it's just that the grounds that Marbury is attacked on preceded the shoe gig and relate to him as a person and as a Knick. Yeah, coming into camp out of shape and calling basketball a hobby is a criticism of Marbury and a legitimate one IMO, but it's not because of the shoes, it's because of Marbury, as seen through the shoe gig.

You seem to, like many others, confuse legitimate complaints about Marbury as a knick, a teammate, a PG, a "leader" and a "world change" for criticism of his shoes. And while doing so criticize him often on the very same grounds.

how about instead of you and Eny and Briggs and TKF having these little chats about loosely referenced other posters while conjuring up semi-fictional unquoted material, you just quote the passages you feel are unjust and deal with them directly? I suspect if the material were as unjust as you say you'd do just that, instead we play shootout with the straw man.

True Blue every god dammmmmn post made about Marbs's shoes has you on there driving it into the ground. YOu are trying to come off as the innocent party. But the truth is that it is physically impossible for anyone on this site to discuss the Marbury shoe campaign without you dragging it into the mud. I don't know what else to tell you. My point is that I don't understand why not one time we can have a conversation about the topic without it going in this direction. Are your negative points sometimes relevant and correct on this topic? Yes. But sometimes they are clearly agenda driven. You think I'm confused. You are correct. I am confused as to how someone feels the need to constantly be involved with going after Marbs no matter what the topic. The bottom line is I don't have to drag out quotes of people attacking the shoes to prove my point. The mere fact that every post discussing this topic goes in the same direction is enough in my view.

Bip, don't kid yourself if you think you're any less predictable.

And this is just another concerted dodge of the issue. Since you can't produce condemning material you deal with vagaries and innuendo, all while continually trying to split the difference by attacking Marbury yourself while also attacking others who do the same. This way you can always play the other side of the coin when you get called out, much like Nixluva will say something like "I hope isiah can move Francis for someone more useful" so he can tell us he's been objective all along.

How about we leave it at this. I'm vague. I play both sides of the fence. And you give credit to Marbs for the shoes, you just don't like fans that view it as charity. I think that's an easier way to settle it than to go through this roundabout argument.

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Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by TrueBlue:

TrueBlue noticed that Bip called Blueseats TrueBlue 2 in this thread after being called out on it.


Blue sorry for adopting the reverse handle but it amazes me after almost 1yr changing the handle, we still have about 3 people on this board botching our identity.


Boy is Bip on mission to put on his complete suit of armor to defend "BetterHoBury"

This is what it normally boils down to. What am I defending him about? His shoes?

Sorry for the mixup but your names are too close. If you don't want to be confused try a different handle. Otherwise deal with it my friend.

You seem to have a huge problem with those who don't see this movement as a movement? That's defending "BetterHoBury"

Make sure you don't confuse me with bluenornage he driveby post here also. There's another blue on this board but the handle Escapegoats me at the moment.

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Cut the crap? Give me a break Blueseats. Solace and I have been posting together for about 4 or 5 years. Bobo and I have the exact opposite opinions and once had an argument for 6 days about Tim Duncan being a horrible PF. The post went on so long that people thought that we were crazy. That morphed into everyone joking that me and Bobo were the same person and that I was some crazy guy in a basement talking to myself. It was actually quite funny and has remained an inside joke ever since. Solace and Allanfan joke about it with me constantly. Not once did they remotely confuse me with Bobo, and not once have I been remotely upset about it. Maybe you don't know the situation as well as you think you do, guy.

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Cut the crap? Give me a break Blueseats. Solace and I have been posting together for about 4 or 5 years. Bobo and I have the exact opposite opinions and once had an argument for 6 days about Tim Duncan being a horrible PF. The post went on so long that people thought that we were crazy. That morphed into everyone joking that me and Bobo were the same person and that I was some crazy guy in a basement talking to myself. It was actually quite funny and has remained an inside joke ever since. Solace and Allanfan joke about it with me constantly. Not once did they remotely confuse me with Bobo, and not once have I been remotely upset about it. Maybe you don't know the situation as well as you think you do, guy.

You're not Bobo? Hmm... but I pulled this right from your sig: "Tim Duncan is garbage". Explain that.

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Not only that, what some fail to understand is that this is a black owned business started by a young man who's trying to be successful without exploiting his fanbase and parents from low-income communities who now have an alternative that kids like and they can afford. If you care about modeling black owned businesses for the youth of today/tomorrow, then Marbury should get his hat tipped to him. It sure is a financial risk, and he could have just gotten a basic deal with some other company and gave two cares about starting his shoe company.

Steve and Barry's is a Black based business? I could be wrong but I think they're Jewish.

Do you know Sarah jessica Parker seems tro have the same gig going for them in their women's department?

He saw an idea where he could earn money but also help people. Why some seem so interested in ridiculing this says quite a bit about who you are as a person, IMHO, or your level of ignorance which I hope you think about.

What is the level of a person's ignorance when they can't get the difference between ridiculing the person's approach to the venture as opposed to the venture itself?

I was recently in a S&B's and heard Marbury's promotional spots juxtaposed with Sarah jessica Parker's and they are nothing alike. She spoke of her personal involvement in the design and how much of herself is in it. There's nothing about changing the world or battling daemons.

Where is all the inflated hype about Sarah Jessica here? Is she less of a world changer, or just less self-aggrandizing in her efforts?

His signature shoes and clothing line, called Starbury, (which he has an ownership stake in) are designed to fit just about any budget.

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Posted by TrueBlue:

TrueBlue noticed that Bip called Blueseats TrueBlue 2 in this thread after being called out on it.


Blue sorry for adopting the reverse handle but it amazes me after almost 1yr changing the handle, we still have about 3 people on this board botching our identity.

Sorry for the mixup but your names are too close. If you don't want to be confused try a different handle. Otherwise deal with it my friend.

bip, cut the crap. You're still crying about Solace calling you bobo three years ago. (All that was well before my time so your repeated crying about it is my only way of knowing about it.)

This is another example of you trying to play both sides of an issue simultaneously.

Cut the crap? Give me a break Blueseats. Solace and I have been posting together for about 4 or 5 years. Bobo and I have the exact opposite opinions and once had an argument for 6 days about Tim Duncan being a horrible PF. The post went on so long that people thought that we were crazy. That morphed into everyone joking that me and Bobo were the same person and that I was some crazy guy in a basement talking to myself. It was actually quite funny and has remained an inside joke ever since. Solace and Allanfan joke about it with me constantly. Not once did they remotely confuse me with Bobo. Maybe you don't know the situation as well as you think you do, guy.

Yes, bip, cut the crap, you know quite well that True and myself are not the same poster.

Anyway, guy I'm done with this nonsense. You think I play both sides of the fence, than challenge me. What topic am I not clear on.

This issue, I've pointed it out several times.

I have no problem challenging Marbs leadership and on court issues. I have no problem with you do ing the same. But the shoe thing boggles my mind. Why it is impossible to discuss this issue without you going off on those that applaud it. Calling us naive for not understanding his marketing tricks. When the reality is that most of us just think it's simply a good thing he's doing and don't mind saying so.

On the contrary, the discussion goes downhill when his supporters launch personal attacks on those who aren't with the program, and on this day you hitched your wagon to that group even while similarly criticizing him. Just look at this thread, it was created to bash Isles for his comments on another board!

But this topic can never, ever, ever, ever be discussed without it digressing to nonsesnse. If you dispute this, fine, who cares.

Nobody cares, nor do I dispute it.

good chatting today, I gotta run.


[Edited by - blueseats on 07-17-2007 8:04 PM]

Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Bippity10:

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Posted by BlueSeats:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by TrueBlue:

TrueBlue noticed that Bip called Blueseats TrueBlue 2 in this thread after being called out on it.


Blue sorry for adopting the reverse handle but it amazes me after almost 1yr changing the handle, we still have about 3 people on this board botching our identity.

Sorry for the mixup but your names are too close. If you don't want to be confused try a different handle. Otherwise deal with it my friend.

bip, cut the crap. You're still crying about Solace calling you bobo three years ago. (All that was well before my time so your repeated crying about it is my only way of knowing about it.)

This is another example of you trying to play both sides of an issue simultaneously.

Cut the crap? Give me a break Blueseats. Solace and I have been posting together for about 4 or 5 years. Bobo and I have the exact opposite opinions and once had an argument for 6 days about Tim Duncan being a horrible PF. The post went on so long that people thought that we were crazy. That morphed into everyone joking that me and Bobo were the same person and that I was some crazy guy in a basement talking to myself. It was actually quite funny and has remained an inside joke ever since. Solace and Allanfan joke about it with me constantly. Not once did they remotely confuse me with Bobo. Maybe you don't know the situation as well as you think you do, guy.

Yes, bip, cut the crap, you know quite well that True and myself are not the same poster.

Anyway, guy I'm done with this nonsense. You think I play both sides of the fence, than challenge me. What topic am I not clear on.

This issue, I've pointed it out several times.

I have no problem challenging Marbs leadership and on court issues. I have no problem with you do ing the same. But the shoe thing boggles my mind. Why it is impossible to discuss this issue without you going off on those that applaud it. Calling us naive for not understanding his marketing tricks. When the reality is that most of us just think it's simply a good thing he's doing and don't mind saying so.

On the contrary, the discussion goes downhill when his supporters launch personal attacks on those who aren't with the program, and on this day you hitched your wagon to that group even while similarly criticizing him.

But this topic can never, ever, ever, ever be discussed without it digressing to nonsesnse. If you dispute this, fine, who cares.

Nobody cares, nor do I dispute it.

good chatting today, I gotta run.

You thought that was good chatting? I thought it was stupid, but that's the beauty of the boards, we all have different opinions.

I love it when you're snarky.

later