I really don't think that you can say allan houston was better when he signed the contract, as of now like Ray Allen said we really don't know how good the guy is, and he is going to get open shots because of howard and dwight will have a lot of room with reddick and nelson, but i am not in love with the signing, this offseason is terrible......

I think what Jordan has done so far has been a joke, Toronto as well, not a lot of good moves being made.....

Jordan has done a pretty decent job. What happens if Brandan Wright turns out to be Kwame part II then what would people be saying? I think people like to rag on Jordan just because of the Kwame history, let it go.


The Bocats not only have a starting solid 5 but now they have a bench. They have defensive and offensive players. They should have a little cap space next yr pending Okafor extension amount and if they pick up all the options on their younger players. They need a backup point guard.

pg=Felton
g=Richardson\Carroll
f=Wallace\Mrrison
pf=Hernman\May
C=Okafor\Brezec

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-12-2007 09:21 AM]

Posted by MS:

not really dude, is richardson going to put you over the top, they could have easily just signed someone outright, richardson has 50 million remaing on his deal, you could have kept the pick and signed someone on the market

He gave Carrol 27 million thats a good deal of money, i think there were better players out there he could have got.

Jordan gets a hard time because he deserves it to be honest, Kwame, the Rip trade, taking Morrison last year, he has done a number of questionable things. What has jordan done? Wallace, May, Okafur, Felton pretty much everyone you just named was there. He passed up Roy, Foye, and Gay who would have filled the role nicely and not cost you a high pick. Does Richardson put you over the top? Don't think so but they are going to beat up on the knicks 1-3 i would imagine

Name someone they could have signed that wouldn't have caused them to over reach financially and that puts them "over the top". Their goal is to make the playoffs and nothing more at this point and Jordan has improved their chances of doing so.


Once again Carroll's deal isn't that bad.

He makes less than the MLE as he should. I think what distorts peoples thinking is the yrs. Yeah he got 6yrs so what, he shoots the ball extremely well especially from the arc and plays hard every night.

$27mil/6yrs=$4.5 and considering his first yr salary will be less than the avg by about $1-1.5mil=$3-3.5mil how is he overpaid? If he's overpaid by how much is it? If he gets better over the course of the deal, which he very well could, wouldn't his contract be a steal?

Posted by MS:

I think if your trying to fill your bench with vetrans, desmond mason plays good defense, i would have thought darko would have been worth the risk, stackhouse might be good in dallas but i would have overpayed a little for a three year deal i think pietrus makes some sense as a backup two guard, mourning for 5 million for a year, i think he was too quick to make a move with wright....

I just don't like him giving up that potential for a player who i think is very good and would have been a great addition for a team like the knicks, but doesn't really even make sure your in the playoffs. Especially when you have to sign felton and okafur long term and just locked up wallace.....

You named a bunch of role players that aren't better than Richardson at least not statistically. Desmond Mason is not an All-Star caliber starting 2 guard and did he put NOK "over the top" or even Milwaukee for the matter when he played there and had his best seasons? Darko would have been a nice signing no doubt but once again Jordan isn't interested in developing a bunch of young players at this point. He wants to win and Richardson vs all those players you named gives them a far better chance. Also what makes you think Charlotte could have even signed those players especially Stackhouse. You think he'd want to leave a contending team such as Dallas and a first class ran franchise to play down in Charlotte? I think not. Darko's agent would have tried to fleece Jordan because he knows they have a ton of cap space to sign his client so that would have been a risky move. Pietrus is redundant to Wallace and onec again isn't a All-Star caliber starting 2 guard. The Bocats had a ton of cap space to absorb Richardson's deal and he's entering his prime at 26yrs of age. Was it the best deal, probably not but I feel it will benefit their team this coming season.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-12-2007 11:48 AM]

Posted by TrueBlue:

Jordan has done a pretty decent job. What happens if Brandan Wright turns out to be Kwame part II then what would people be saying? I think people like to rag on Jordan just because of the Kwame history, let it go.


The Bocats not only have a starting solid 5 but now they have a bench. They have defensive and offensive players. They should have a little cap space next yr pending Okafor extension amount and if they pick up all the options on their younger players. They need a backup point guard.

pg=Felton
g=Richardson\Carroll
f=Wallace\Mrrison
pf=Hernman\May
C=Okafor\Brezec

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-12-2007 09:21 AM]

Wait how can you defend Jordan. Under your criticism of I Say Ugh, as a front office person. Did Jordan ever take his team to the playoffs as he promised?

Wizards
Jordan drafted the following:
Kwame Brown
Jared Jefferies

Traded Richard Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse

Bobcats
Drafted Morrison over Brandon Roy.
If Morrison is the player he thought he was last year why did he trade for Jason Richardson? Why did he re-sign Matt Carroll and Gerald Wallace? So he spent his third pick overall pick last year as a backup to Wallace? Oh wait he also drafts Jared Dudley. No you're right he is a pretty sound GM.

He did a good job getting rid of richmond, and a few other contracts, would have got the team into the playoffs if he was healthy his first year.

Put passing on Elton Brand and Gasol for Kwame was a huge mistake. And he put a lot into Courtney Alexander and really prevented them from bringing in young talent. had he had brand and hamilton he would have had two guys that would have helped them advance in the playoffs....

Put I think the problem with a lot of great players especially McChale, Jordan, Bird, Isiah they believe they are smarter than everyone, and also have the belief that players are driving to win which isn't the case. They don't spend enough time really investigating players and don't employ the best staff to do the due dillegence.

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Jordan has done a pretty decent job. What happens if Brandan Wright turns out to be Kwame part II then what would people be saying? I think people like to rag on Jordan just because of the Kwame history, let it go.


The Bocats not only have a starting solid 5 but now they have a bench. They have defensive and offensive players. They should have a little cap space next yr pending Okafor extension amount and if they pick up all the options on their younger players. They need a backup point guard.

pg=Felton
g=Richardson\Carroll
f=Wallace\Mrrison
pf=Hernman\May
C=Okafor\Brezec

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-12-2007 09:21 AM]

Wait how can you defend Jordan. Under your criticism of I Say Ugh, as a front office person. Did Jordan ever take his team to the playoffs as he promised?

Wizards
Jordan drafted the following:
Kwame Brown
Jared Jefferies

Traded Richard Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse

Bobcats
Drafted Morrison over Brandon Roy.
If Morrison is the player he thought he was last year why did he trade for Jason Richardson? Why did he re-sign Matt Carroll and Gerald Wallace? So he spent his third pick overall pick last year as a backup to Wallace? Oh wait he also drafts Jared Dudley. No you're right he is a pretty sound GM.

Look he deserves criticism keep in mind he hasn't been in Charlotte that long as a GM. He wasn't a good gm in Washington but that was the past. You never hear me bash I SAY UGH for what he did in the CBA, Toronto(except protecting that secon rounder LOL), or even Indiana, because it's the past. Just stick to what he's doing in Charlotte. I'll agree he should have picked ROY. I never said he was a sound GM and I'm only discussing primarily what he's done this off-season, and it's been o.k. IMO.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 07-12-2007 11:54 AM]

i don't really think they got worse Lewis is going to average close to 25pts a night and going to get 5 more shots a night.....

I think a good indication is always the past, as in toronto, cba, indy, and ny.....

^^^ ROFL.