Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by TMS:

people can't help it if they disagree with a move... you either agree with it or you don't... there's no in betweens... there isn't a poster on this forum that isn't a fan of this team, & just because you choose to complain about a move, or support it, doesn't make you any more of a fan... as negative as someone like islesfan may be (just using him as an example), i've never questioned his passion for this team or the fact that he would like to see them win a championship just as badly as i or anyone else does... there's also no rule that says you have to like every player on this roster... everyone has their preferences on the types of players they'd like to see on this team... fandom is centered around subjectivity afterall... being objective doesn't mean you have to like something if you don't... if you consider every side of every move before you formulate an opinion about it, that's as much as you can ask someone in terms of objectivity... people don't like the Zach trade because they've weighed the pros & cons & in their eyes they think it carries more negatives than positives... why that's so objectionable is what i don't understand.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with a move, but when they start rooting against our own players succeeding in a desparate need to be right they are no longer supporting the team. When a person roots against his own players and team how can you really be a fan?

i would be very happy to admit being wrong about Zach next season if he proves to be the type of impact player this franchise has been lacking for the past several years... right now though, i'm not optimistic at all that any real good will come out of this trade... i'm fearing a regression in Curry's development because of Zach's presence here... trust me, i really hope i'm wrong about that, but it's what i see going down.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by JohnWallace44:

We got one of the top 10 scorers and rebounders at a position where we had trouble scoring and rebounding

Oh and just as a bonus... we got 2 expiring contracts... and Dickau and Jones can actually play too (not a Jalen mercy trade)


Could we have been more patient and waited for a chance at something better? Hell yes.

Is there any guarantee that patience would have paid off? Hell no.


I'd take this team to battle today. The question we have left to answer is, can you count on Q? We know what the answer is so we obviously still have work to do to finish off the roster, but damn. I mean damn, this team is so much better than last year and in so much of a better position than last year.

Remember when the offense was Marbs running pick and roll with KT, and then when it was Marbs running pick and roll with Frye? We ran a real offense last year for good and for bad, but now we'll be able to use that weapon whenever we want with a player who is not limited to only that in Zach.

Remember how the defense would sag to the baseline when Craw would start eyeing Curry for the 'oop, he'd lose his dribble and force a TO passing to a ready defense? Imagine what happens when the forward looks to help on the right baseline and then Craw rifles it to Zach cutting across the left side of the paint for an easy bucket. (no offense to Balk, Jeff, Lee, Frye, Rose they aren't THAT skilled)

We are going to have less scoring droughts. We might have trouble defending, but I'll take my chances with these guys. Have you seen other teams defend in this league? Kwame still looks like he lost his favorite blanket when he's out there on defense.

Let's start a dialouge about what this team CAN do.

Man in one post you restored my faith in Knick fans :) How about that talking about what the team CAN do. Isn't that a novel idea.

Happy to bring some positive vibes bro. I don't blindly cuddle up to what Isiah does. The last couple of years were a confusing and frustrating mix of, "things that make you go hmmm?" As C+C Music factory so elequantly put it. I liked the Nazr, Timmy deal, the Nazr for a pick deal and the Nate/Q deal. Hated the JJ1 deal and whoever was responsible for the Ariza deal should be dragged out in the street.

The thing is that we are a force now that we have not been since Spree and H20 in my opinion. Isiah is tasked with making sure that the potential he has before him plays out in the form of W's. When we play with Zach and Curry, we must not get beat back on D. They must know how to pass out of the double team and the perimeter players must be in position to receive those passes easily.

He will be judged by that this year as a coach, because Isiah the GM has brought the goods.

When we look for players to be signed for the MLE like Matt friggin Carrol(reality check we don't have the roster space to do so) let me tell you that Nichols, who we straight up stole for an 08 second round pick, is at least as good a shooter as him. He will play in situations where Q is hurt and Craw is not on and he will have nights where he lights it up and wins ballgames mark my words.

Chandler is the player in waiting that Isiah described. Nichols and Zach however will change the way that this team plays for the better.

We lost so many close games last year. To take one from the Mets, "You gotta believe" that we can win those games this year.

[Edited by - johnwallace44 on 07-03-2007 01:46 AM]

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by TMS:

people can't help it if they disagree with a move... you either agree with it or you don't... there's no in betweens... there isn't a poster on this forum that isn't a fan of this team, & just because you choose to complain about a move, or support it, doesn't make you any more of a fan... as negative as someone like islesfan may be (just using him as an example), i've never questioned his passion for this team or the fact that he would like to see them win a championship just as badly as i or anyone else does... there's also no rule that says you have to like every player on this roster... everyone has their preferences on the types of players they'd like to see on this team... fandom is centered around subjectivity afterall... being objective doesn't mean you have to like something if you don't... if you consider every side of every move before you formulate an opinion about it, that's as much as you can ask someone in terms of objectivity... people don't like the Zach trade because they've weighed the pros & cons & in their eyes they think it carries more negatives than positives... why that's so objectionable is what i don't understand.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with a move, but when they start rooting against our own players succeeding in a desparate need to be right they are no longer supporting the team. When a person roots against his own players and team how can you really be a fan?

i would be very happy to admit being wrong about Zach next season if he proves to be the type of impact player this franchise has been lacking for the past several years... right now though, i'm not optimistic at all that any real good will come out of this trade... i'm fearing a regression in Curry's development because of Zach's presence here... trust me, i really hope i'm wrong about that, but it's what i see going down.

Same here. I'd love to see a Knicks championship soon. Rooting against the team is just a garbage claim.

No it aint. There are those here who root for the team to lose. For more embarassment for the franchise. They are the ones who think that by complaining somehow and rooting for the team to lose that they are Real Fans and that Dolan will listen to them or something. In reality, they're just a nuisance like a mosquito buzzing around our collective head. You just wanna squish em.

[Edited by - kam77 on 07-03-2007 10:50 AM]

Posted by kam77:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by TMS:

people can't help it if they disagree with a move... you either agree with it or you don't... there's no in betweens... there isn't a poster on this forum that isn't a fan of this team, & just because you choose to complain about a move, or support it, doesn't make you any more of a fan... as negative as someone like islesfan may be (just using him as an example), i've never questioned his passion for this team or the fact that he would like to see them win a championship just as badly as i or anyone else does... there's also no rule that says you have to like every player on this roster... everyone has their preferences on the types of players they'd like to see on this team... fandom is centered around subjectivity afterall... being objective doesn't mean you have to like something if you don't... if you consider every side of every move before you formulate an opinion about it, that's as much as you can ask someone in terms of objectivity... people don't like the Zach trade because they've weighed the pros & cons & in their eyes they think it carries more negatives than positives... why that's so objectionable is what i don't understand.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with a move, but when they start rooting against our own players succeeding in a desparate need to be right they are no longer supporting the team. When a person roots against his own players and team how can you really be a fan?

i would be very happy to admit being wrong about Zach next season if he proves to be the type of impact player this franchise has been lacking for the past several years... right now though, i'm not optimistic at all that any real good will come out of this trade... i'm fearing a regression in Curry's development because of Zach's presence here... trust me, i really hope i'm wrong about that, but it's what i see going down.

Same here. I'd love to see a Knicks championship soon. Rooting against the team is just a garbage claim.

No it aint. There are those here who root for the team to lose. For more embarassment for the franchise. They are the ones who think that by complaining somehow and rooting for the team to lose that they are Real Fans and that Dolan will listen to them or something. In reality, they're just a nuisance like a mosquito buzzing around our collective head. You just wanna squish em.

[Edited by - kam77 on 07-03-2007 10:50 AM]

I hope you don't really believe what you just spewed out

If i had the patience, I could guarantee that i could go back and find posts where people admitted to rooting for the Knicks to lose. But i don't have to do that for anyone here who has been paying attention.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by kam77:

If i had the patience, I could guarantee that i could go back and find posts where people admitted to rooting for the Knicks to lose. But i don't have to do that for anyone here who has been paying attention.

Yes you do. Go find the posts because nobody is buying what you're trying to sell.

Kind of ironic that you responded to this.

Posted by jaydh:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by kam77:

If i had the patience, I could guarantee that i could go back and find posts where people admitted to rooting for the Knicks to lose. But i don't have to do that for anyone here who has been paying attention.

Yes you do. Go find the posts because nobody is buying what you're trying to sell.

Kind of ironic that you responded to this.

Hey, I've never been accused of not having a sense of humor.

It does feel awkward and I have considered just dropping my participation and leaving this board to die hards, but it's tough, I love the franchise, they are my only team in my only sport. I'm passionately addicted to the Knicks and investing in high priced clowns and rejects, and flipping coaches every year, and scandals, and Hobbybury and his daily faloops, etc, are just more than a fan like me can bear.

Damn, Thats the best post i've seen in a while. Its nice to get some honest opinions (from both 'lovers' and so-called 'haters').

Too often we parrot our positions to each other.

You wanna know why i'm not cryin over the trade??

Nothing we can do but watch how it unfolds.

All the proclamations on either side are just internet posturing.

[Edited by - kam77 on 07-03-2007 12:58 PM]

I think half this board uses the terms lover and hater loosely. I didn't start it, but i may have used those terms like others use lover and hater all the time.

Attitude reflects Attitude. I don't know who cossucks is, but his posting style is no more arrogant that many of the people who call themselves the UK mafia.

Maybe you should stop GENERALIZING Kam. You are painting a whole 'group' of posters with the same brush.

Posted by kam77:

Maybe i am. I'll try and be more self-aware. But now that you've heard me, you might see this kind of stuff that i talk about happening too.

I am well aware of what goes on in this board Kam, I've been here a long time. I know full-well what side of the fence I'm percieved and portrayed to be on. I also know mud-slinging when I see it.