Posted by TMS:

If Kobe cant win with Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom what makes people think he will be winning with our 33 win team once it is gutted up and our up and coming youth plus future draft picks are traded away?

Kobe/Curry/Marbury is a much more potent 3 some than what we currently have now... i'm pretty sure the Knicks win at least 42-48 games with that & whatever else they have left next season in the East, if not more... that easily gets them a #3-#6 seed in the first season alone, a pretty big jump from where this team was last season.

You answered a different question than I asked.
Is Kobe/Curry and a 30 year old Marbury that much better than Kobe/Bynum and Odom? If the Lakers arent a contender with those guys and all Kobe wants to do is win championships how is he a contender with just a 30 year old Marbury and Curry?

Posted by COSSUCKS:

Posted by TMS:

If Kobe cant win with Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom what makes people think he will be winning with our 33 win team once it is gutted up and our up and coming youth plus future draft picks are traded away?

Kobe/Curry/Marbury is a much more potent 3 some than what we currently have now... i'm pretty sure the Knicks win at least 42-48 games with that & whatever else they have left next season in the East, if not more... that easily gets them a #3-#6 seed in the first season alone, a pretty big jump from where this team was last season.

You answered a different question than I asked.
Is Kobe/Curry and a 30 year old Marbury that much better than Kobe/Bynum and Odom? If the Lakers arent a contender with those guys and all Kobe wants to do is win championships how is he a contender with just a 30 year old Marbury and Curry?

His answer will be the difference in conference and that team would be better than the Cavs team that went to the Finals this yr. Unfortunately he doesn't understand all or our best players would be included in a Kobe deal so no Curry probably wouldn't be here.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 06-18-2007 9:01 PM]

You guys SERIOUSLY underestimate the abilities of Stephon. You just don't seem to realize how good this guy really is. If you have him on a team with a #1 option like Kobe and a #2 like Curry, he's a DEADLY #3 option!!!

Are you freakin kidding me? You all must have slept thru the game Steph played this year when he was absolutely killing teams. If we had any of our injured guys and he was playing like that we would've won many of those games. He was playing hurt and still he was nearly unstoppable. Just because we haven't won a lot of games doesn't mean he's not a top player in this league. That's like saying just because KG hasn't won squat in recent years that he's not gonna be able to help Kobe win. Did Kobe play with a Center that avg'd 20 a game or a PG who could easily do the same if he was asked to?

You guys are nuts if you think Kobe couldn't win with those two playing with him. We haven't ever seen Steph or Curry playing on this team with someone as good as Kobe. The attention he demands would open up all kinds of lanes and post ups for those two. Steph even at 30 and on sore knees, still only needed a split second to get by his man. Don't sleep on him just cuz you don't like him. Go take a freakin look at his game logs and see just how good he was playing hobbled. With Kobe he wouldn't have to carry the team anymore. He could get proper rest and just fill in when needed.

[Edited by - nixluva on 06-18-2007 10:04 PM]

Posted by djsunyc:

the new york knicks...the best supporting cast in the nba!!!

No not the best, but damn good if you put them with a current top player. Why is that such a stretch? Do you really think that with a player like Kobe we couldn't be a competitive top team in the East?

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by djsunyc:

the new york knicks...the best supporting cast in the nba!!!

No not the best, but damn good if you put them with a current top player. Why is that such a stretch? Do you really think that with a player like Kobe we couldn't be a competitive top team in the East?

having a supporting cast without the lead actor means pretty much nothing. and if we can't get that lead actor then we're really not doing anything as an organization, no?

layden put together a pretty decent supporting cast for a star player in the east too.
just b/c we are younger at each position doesn't mean we're any further along in terms of getting that star player.

right now, nothing on the knicks really makes sense. but isiah's gonna get a chance to play it out and see where it goes.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 06-18-2007 10:13 PM]

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by djsunyc:

the new york knicks...the best supporting cast in the nba!!!

No not the best, but damn good if you put them with a current top player. Why is that such a stretch? Do you really think that with a player like Kobe we couldn't be a competitive top team in the East?

What does this mean? The reason we can't get a Kobe is because we have too many supporting players, which means we'll never be bad enough to get a player like Kobe in the draft nor we will we ever be under the cap to sign a player like Kobe. We've been down this road countless times.

If you have to give up Curry, I vote no.

Posted by nixluva:

I think you guys misunderstand my statement. At this time we do provide a decent supporting cast for a star like Kobe, but if we don't add him, then with the guys we retain, along with further moves, we can be more than team of supporting cast members. Geez, why is it always all negative with you guys.

The team at present is a work in progress and adding Kobe would accelerate that greatly, otherwise we continue on a slower path to building the team. It may not be possible to find a player of Kobe's caliber, but we could certainly build a good and competitive team if we don't get him. This is an absolute best case scenario and the only way it happens is if things fall just right, so it's more likely that we'll have to build the team as we already planned to do. I already believed this team would make steady progress with many of the players we have now and with more reasonable moves made.

What yr or season does this team move away from being a work in progress Luva? I find it comical some fans on this board side with Kobe and feel Lakers mgmt has failed him the past 3 yrs and haven't built a contending team fast enough for Kobe, meanwhile these same fans give I SAY UGH mulligan after mulligan after mulligan after mulligan just to get past being a work in progress or make the playoffs as a 8th seed in a horrid LEASTERN CONFERENCE.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by nixluva:

I think you guys misunderstand my statement. At this time we do provide a decent supporting cast for a star like Kobe, but if we don't add him, then with the guys we retain, along with further moves, we can be more than team of supporting cast members. Geez, why is it always all negative with you guys.

The team at present is a work in progress and adding Kobe would accelerate that greatly, otherwise we continue on a slower path to building the team. It may not be possible to find a player of Kobe's caliber, but we could certainly build a good and competitive team if we don't get him. This is an absolute best case scenario and the only way it happens is if things fall just right, so it's more likely that we'll have to build the team as we already planned to do. I already believed this team would make steady progress with many of the players we have now and with more reasonable moves made.

What yr or season does this team move away from being a work in progress Luva? I find it comical some fans on this board side with Kobe and feel Lakers mgmt has failed him the past 3 yrs and haven't built a contending team fast enough for Kobe, meanwhile these same fans give I SAY UGH mulligan after mulligan after mulligan after mulligan just to get past being a work in progress or make the playoffs as a 8th seed in a horrid LEASTERN CONFERENCE.

What are you talking about? Isiah has only really been here for 3 full seasons. The last 2 have been with the current roster, before that it was a different team save for 3 guys. I don't even know why you continue to be concerned with the 1st 1.5 seasons. The last 2 years have been about trying to rebuild this team and for any team that process is often ugly and takes some time. So the work in progress label is for a group that is pretty much only 2 years into the process.

Do we just ignore the fact that we have so many players with 2 or less years of experience? For all you know this upcoming season could be the breakout season for this team. That wouldn't have been a long time for a team to develop and start winning. Especially with the setback of LB's year. If we got fortunate enough to actually get Kobe, then things could change quickly. Outside of that we're looking at a more normal pace of development.

Absolutely agree:

For all you know this upcoming season could be the breakout season for this team

And it will be the breakout season for IT... No place to run and no place to hide.
And no Kobe is coming to rescue.

If the knicks don't make the move, chicago just might!

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/ladewski/433519,191LAD1.article

I would include Curry in a Kobe trade in a heartbeat. Curry is a one dimensional player in a game that requires multiple skills. Curry shoots a high percentage because he can score in close. He can't pass, turns the ball over too frequently, can't play post defense, can't play help defense, can't rebound and commits stupid fouls. Could he improve in all these areas - yes - but he hasn't so far. from 2004-2007 His stats per 48 minutes have not improved in rebounding, turnovers, assists or blocks they've actually gotten worse.