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kam77
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6/11/2007  8:31 PM
i'm taking is from the viewpoint of the general public

There might be where you went wrong... why be the mouthpiece of the illiterate and unappreciative... you want to run for political office or something?

People are crying because it didn't end up neatly like a nice TV show.

Guess what. Its not TV.

Its HBO.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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kam77
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6/11/2007  8:35 PM
now, if a movie comes out, how would you feel? wouldn't you feel the whole hype for the series finale was nothing but a major marketing campaign for a movie? and even if it was the ending, ok, chase wants to leave it up to interpretation...but i ask, why? if the show is never ever to return, then why not give a resolution or some sort of closure? which is why i also question the real reasons behind the ending of the show.

I would feel the movie to be a cop out and a way to make money.

I don't think this show was 'rudderless' man. What storylines are you so miffed were dropped?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/11/2007  8:39 PM
i think a movie or follow-up series will be a godfather 2 style prequel.
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6/11/2007  8:42 PM
Hey DJ - here you go:
Chip Stern on the Sopranos:
Still can't get over what a bunch of dimwits people are concerning The Sopranos ending. Just watched it again, and was noticing how them music worked...as Meadow enters, and we see Tony staring up at her, the lyrics go, "Don't stop." And it's over.

The message was enjoy the good moments, as A.J. recalled his father saying...and there it is...Carlos' son who poured sulphuric acid on a fellow teens toes was busted, his father has flipped and a grand jury indictment awaits...Phil Leotardo is dead in the feel-good whack of the year...everyone is back to making money...Paulie and the cat take in the sun a Satirella's...Tony has acknowledged the continuing influence of his mother on his depression to a new therapist...the family gathers around the hearth for a meal...and we take leave of them and their lives, pretty much where we came in.

The idea that Tony needed to be whacked or that some other equally conclusive plot point needed to be shoved down our throat, is retarded and so are the people who are dissappointed.

This was a show that defied expectations all along, and that was its greatness, that and the textured nature of this gangsters, neither romanticized nor demonized, like Willie The Shae's great tragic protaginists. We are never allowed to forget that these are gangsters.

And of course the humor...that dark, dark humor: Paulie and the cat; Tony and his lawyer with the ketchup bottle; the SUV running over Phil Leotardo's face.

Let the people who were bummed by the ending go back to reality TV and the soaps.

The Sopranos was written and performed by adults, for adults...
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/11/2007  8:49 PM
i'm an illiterate, a dimwit, and a child.

is there anyway you can use drawings to translate it?

b/c all i get from it is "will you please pass the grey poupon?"
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6/11/2007  8:51 PM
Posted by kam77:

Hey DJ - here you go:
Chip Stern on the Sopranos:
Still can't get over what a bunch of dimwits people are concerning The Sopranos ending. Just watched it again, and was noticing how them music worked...as Meadow enters, and we see Tony staring up at her, the lyrics go, "Don't stop." And it's over.

The message was enjoy the good moments, as A.J. recalled his father saying...and there it is...Carlos' son who poured sulphuric acid on a fellow teens toes was busted, his father has flipped and a grand jury indictment awaits...Phil Leotardo is dead in the feel-good whack of the year...everyone is back to making money...Paulie and the cat take in the sun a Satirella's...Tony has acknowledged the continuing influence of his mother on his depression to a new therapist...the family gathers around the hearth for a meal...and we take leave of them and their lives, pretty much where we came in.

The idea that Tony needed to be whacked or that some other equally conclusive plot point needed to be shoved down our throat, is retarded and so are the people who are dissappointed.

This was a show that defied expectations all along, and that was its greatness, that and the textured nature of this gangsters, neither romanticized nor demonized, like Willie The Shae's great tragic protaginists. We are never allowed to forget that these are gangsters.

And of course the humor...that dark, dark humor: Paulie and the cat; Tony and his lawyer with the ketchup bottle; the SUV running over Phil Leotardo's face.

Let the people who were bummed by the ending go back to reality TV and the soaps.

The Sopranos was written and performed by adults, for adults...

hey kam any time you want to articulate an opinion of your own we're eager to hear it. otherwise cut and paste away.
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6/11/2007  8:59 PM
The excruciating thing about that last scene is watching Meadow try to parallel park.
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6/11/2007  9:02 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

The excruciating thing about that last scene is watching Meadow try to parallel park.

but there are so many layers in that scene...like why did she go too far right? or why she didn't stop breaking the wheel? it's really some deep stuff that reveals what happens to the russian and who the real kevin finnerty is. you have to pay attention to the # of times she turned the wheel and sighed. it's also a statement about how women really drive everything in the world but sometimes make mistakes along the way. it'll make sense after you watch it for the 9th time (8 times may not be enough) but it's there. you just have to look for it with adult, mature eyes. it's not HBO, it's life...
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BasketballJones:

The excruciating thing about that last scene is watching Meadow try to parallel park.

but there are so many layers in that scene...like why did she go too far right? or why she didn't stop breaking the wheel? it's really some deep stuff that reveals what happens to the russian and who the real kevin finnerty is. yohave to pay attention to the # of times she turned the wheel and sighed. it's also a statement about how women really drive everything in the world but sometimes make mistakes along the way. it'll make sense after you watch it for the 9th time (8 times may not be enough) but it's there. you just have to look for it with adult, mature eyes. it's not HBO, it's life...

Wow dude.... Heavy.
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6/11/2007  9:05 PM
I think if you play it backward, it says "Paul is dead".
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6/11/2007  9:06 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I think if you play it backward, it says "Paul is dead".

no that's what the cat was saying.
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6/11/2007  10:33 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by BasketballJones:

I think if you play it backward, it says "Paul is dead".

no that's what the cat was saying.

Just don't stop believing.

[Edited by - basketballjones on 06-11-2007 22:33]
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6/12/2007  10:19 AM
i too have been a soprano fan from the beginning. i think that this season was awful especially the first part in the fall. the "blue comet" episode was one of the best though and led to a build up for this show. i think that there are a lot of "huh?" moments on this show. first, butch was the driving force who wanted tony and his crew dead from the jump. then he decided to have a "sit down"? i know that scene when he was in chinatown was a scene to show how butch was fearful of the wrath of tony but come on. he was loyal to phil all of this time and decided to turn his back and becoming chummy with carmine jr. and tony? please. and i heard different interpretations of the ending and it was genius in terms of that it is the most talked about ending in awhile but you know what? st. elsewhere had an equally talked about ending but people would agre that it was garbage. most of america wanted closure and because chase didn't give it to us and wanted us to use our "imagination" and own conclusion, i thought it was a cop out too. if you don't want to hqave a traditional ending with tony killed or hauled off to jail ( or visually seeing both happen by the way), fine. but there were MANY ways that they could cleverly have a good ending for this show that would satisfy the masses. this was on the same level as the season finale of "24" and "heroes", both disappoinments ( though i give "heroes" a pass because "24" had an awful season). i guess "lost" still reigns supreme as the best finale this year and maybe ever or since "who shot jr?".
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6/12/2007  10:56 AM
Butch was getting crapped on by Leotardo and was not making good "business" decisions. It was all personal. Common theme is thru the years is its "business".

DJ,

Your a knick fan. So being a fan of the "tragic", yet Abstract thing we call the knicks you should be used to thinking outside the box.

As gangster movies/series go it was a crap ending. As a series about Tony Soprano and his dysfuntional family which has had many quirky episodes the ending was very fitting.

Two days later people are still talking about it!

I was going to cancel HBO as I normally do after its over but might be hooked on "john from cincinatti!"

Where is DIDO when you really need one?
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6/12/2007  10:57 AM
Marv,

If I quote another, it is because i feel they have said it best. There is no shame in my game.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/12/2007  10:59 AM
This is an interview of David Chase, writer of the show.

http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/sepinwall/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/1181623651270570.xml&coll=1

lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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Posted by jazz74:

i too have been a soprano fan from the beginning. i think that this season was awful especially the first part in the fall. the "blue comet" episode was one of the best though and led to a build up for this show. i think that there are a lot of "huh?" moments on this show. first, butch was the driving force who wanted tony and his crew dead from the jump. then he decided to have a "sit down"? i know that scene when he was in chinatown was a scene to show how butch was fearful of the wrath of tony but come on. he was loyal to phil all of this time and decided to turn his back and becoming chummy with carmine jr. and tony? please. and i heard different interpretations of the ending and it was genius in terms of that it is the most talked about ending in awhile but you know what? st. elsewhere had an equally talked about ending but people would agre that it was garbage. most of america wanted closure and because chase didn't give it to us and wanted us to use our "imagination" and own conclusion, i thought it was a cop out too. if you don't want to hqave a traditional ending with tony killed or hauled off to jail ( or visually seeing both happen by the way), fine. but there were MANY ways that they could cleverly have a good ending for this show that would satisfy the masses. this was on the same level as the season finale of "24" and "heroes", both disappoinments ( though i give "heroes" a pass because "24" had an awful season). i guess "lost" still reigns supreme as the best finale this year and maybe ever or since "who shot jr?".

Yeah, this totally made no sense to me. That guy wanted Tony dead from the beginning and then he sells out PHil because it has "gone too far." The only people geting killed was Tony's guys as far as I saw. I guess we were supposed to assume that a huge blood bath on both sides had occurred.
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6/12/2007  11:26 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by BasketballJones:

The excruciating thing about that last scene is watching Meadow try to parallel park.

but there are so many layers in that scene...like why did she go too far right? or why she didn't stop breaking the wheel? it's really some deep stuff that reveals what happens to the russian and who the real kevin finnerty is. you have to pay attention to the # of times she turned the wheel and sighed. it's also a statement about how women really drive everything in the world but sometimes make mistakes along the way. it'll make sense after you watch it for the 9th time (8 times may not be enough) but it's there. you just have to look for it with adult, mature eyes. it's not HBO, it's life...

I have now watched the soprano ending 24 times and have learned that the ending reveals the meaning of life. I stopped watching it because I think if you watch it more than 25 times, the secrets of the universe will be revealed and your head will explode.
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kam77
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6/12/2007  11:31 AM
Since Butchie was introduced as a guy who was pushing Phil to take out Tony, why did he turn on Phil and negotiate peace with Tony?

"I think Butch was an intelligent guy; he began to see that there was no need for it, that Phil's feelings were all caught up in what was esentially a convoluted personal grudge." -- David Chase
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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6/12/2007  11:40 AM
Did anyone here watch 6ft Under? I think that by far one of the best series finales I've seen.

I thought what would have been a perfect ending for me would have been if Tony was killed or ends up in jail depending on whether there planning on doing a movie. Most of the made men in Tony's crew are either dead or in the hosipital. Of course at this point Phil is gone onto the nether world. In the end you see Uncle Junior walking out of that institute looking like a new man because you realize that he orchestrated this entire war between NY and Jersey with Phil serving as his proxy while he fakes the Alzheimer's. Junior realized after the failed attempt in the first season that he couldn't take out Tony on his own and he had lost a lot loyalty among the crew. So even if he killed Tony there would have been retribution.
And though he shot Tony he knows that Tony won't touch him if he believes his illness is legit. This would have been the perfect way for him to take back his power in Jersey and gain NY all the while everyone believes he is loony tunes. So If you have Tony dead or in jail serving serious time, most of his crew is dead (so there's very little threat of reprucussions, Phil is dead Junior takes power without having to do any of the dirty work. The battle between Tony and his uncle was their best storylines.
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