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Bonn1997
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5/11/2007  1:07 PM
If you're doing push ups every day, you should make sure you do something for your back every day. Otherwise you'll develop muscle imbalances.
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5/11/2007  1:28 PM

Here's an article that may help..a little lengthy but good. Here's a link to the article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14483512/ There's a calculator in the article that determines your hip to waist ratio.


By Linda Carroll
MSNBC contributor
Updated: 6:42 p.m. ET Aug 23, 2006
Just last week a study came out showing that being overweight wasn’t likely to kill you. Then yesterday, two more studies were published saying that by packing on only a few extra pounds, you could significantly increase your risk of premature death.

At first glance, these three studies might lead to considerable confusion — and a devil-may-care attitude towards weight gain.

But experts emphasize there’s no real doubt that obesity raises the risk of death as well as serious conditions like heart disease, stroke and diabetes.

The real question, says Dr. Donald Cutlip, an associate professor of medicine at the Harvard Medical School, is whether body mass index is a good measure to determine whether someone is overweight.

The conflicting studies, each based on BMI scores, point out flaws with the common measure, basically a comparison of height to weight.

New research shows that there’s a better, more informative way to figure out if you are overweight — the waist-to-hip ratio — and all it requires is a measuring tape.

Too buff, too old
The first salvo in the latest obesity debate popped up last week in the British journal The Lancet. The study found that among patients with heart disease, death was actually less likely if a person was overweight. And obesity appeared to be downright protective.

The authors of the study pinned the unexpected results on BMI.

“Rather than proving that obesity is harmless, our data suggest that alternative methods might be needed to better characterize individuals who truly have excess body fat,” said the study’s lead researcher Francisco Lopez-Jiminez of the Mayo Clinic College of Medicine.

Cutlip agrees that BMI can be way off, especially when it comes to assessing a particular individual. The commonly used measure can give a skewed result not only for fit body builders who come out with a high number because of the extra weight associated with muscle, but also for the elderly, who tend to have scores that underestimate obesity because they have so much less muscle.


When it comes to large population studies, the measurement usually works well because BMI does give the right answer when averaged across many people. There were other flaws with the Lancet study, Cutlip says.

Still, most of us aren’t taking our measurements as part of a big study. We’re simply trying to figure out if we’re at a healthy weight or not. And in that case, BMI may not be the best way to find that out.

Hipper measurement
The best way to predict heart attack risk and other obesity-related diseases is a measurement that divides the circumference of your waist by your hips.

If you’re a woman, the waist-to-hip ratio should come out as no more than 0.8. Men have a little more wiggle room: a healthy waist-to-hip ratio for them is 0.95.

This means, if your belly has bulged out enough to catch up to the size of your hips, you should start worrying about your heart, experts say.

That’s because abdominal fat is more likely than fat stored in other spots to lead to changes in hormone levels and to cause inflammation, which in turn leads to clogged arteries, says Dr. Gordon A. Ewy, a professor and chief of cardiology at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, and director of the school’s Sarver Heart Center. So, “fat on a woman’s hips doesn’t seem to increase risk, whereas a beer belly does,” Ewy says.



Fat stored in the belly "is the most dangerous type of fat in our bodies," explains Dr. William Castelli, director of the Framingham Cardiovascular Institute.

The waist-to-hip measurement is likely to catch people at risk for fat-related diseases who might otherwise think they were at a healthy weight, based on their BMI scores.

It’s quite possible to have an acceptable BMI and still have some belly paunch, says Dr. Louis Aronne, clinical professor of medicine at the Weill-Cornell Medical College and director of the Comprehensive Weight Control Program at New York Presbyterian Hospital.

Certain groups of people — those from Japan and south Asia, for example — tend not to become obese but can have an increased risk of heart disease from storing small amounts of fat around their waists, Aronne says. “You can be thin and still have too much fat,” he adds.
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5/11/2007  2:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you're doing push ups every day, you should make sure you do something for your back every day. Otherwise you'll develop muscle imbalances.

Do something for my back? Like a particular exercise?
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5/11/2007  3:03 PM
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5/11/2007  3:09 PM
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5/11/2007  3:17 PM
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Lovespree is a female? That explains the low post count.


What's the correlation?
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5/11/2007  3:24 PM
Solace - doing push ups are mainly chest and tri-cep workout. The back equivalent would be standard pull-ups. Everyone hates them cuz they are hard but as you get used to them they can get easier like with anything else.

If you start to bench press press you could do the much harder wide-grip pushups.
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5/11/2007  3:37 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

Solace - doing push ups are mainly chest and tri-cep workout. The back equivalent would be standard pull-ups. Everyone hates them cuz they are hard but as you get used to them they can get easier like with anything else.

If you start to bench press press you could do the much harder wide-grip pushups.

Hmm any alternative to pull ups. I hate those and I don't have a pull up bar.

Unless you're saying I shouldn't do push ups and should just replace those with a different exercise. Frankly I'm probably more in need of cardio-stuff.
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5/11/2007  3:41 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:

If you're doing push ups every day, you should make sure you do something for your back every day. Otherwise you'll develop muscle imbalances.

Do something for my back? Like a particular exercise?

Yeah, any lifting exercise if you have weights. If you don't, you can at least do "airplanes". They involve lying on the floor (face down), putting your arms out fully (palms down) so that they're the length of your full wingspan and keeping the inner sides of both legs touching each other. Then lift your arms (to activate your back muscles) and lift your legs (to activate the glutes and hamstrings).

If you do chest exercises but no back exercises, your shoulders will start to rotate inwards (the direction in which you push them for the exercise). This gives what weight-lifters call a "Neanderthal" appearance. (You can find articles on it at t-nation.com)
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5/11/2007  7:35 PM
Push-ups are a great workout. It builds strength and endurance once you get good at them. Most I ever did straight was 86. I like to do sets of 30 when I do just push-ups. I haven't done them in a while like that.

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5/11/2007  8:36 PM
Push-ups are a great workout. It builds strength and endurance once you get good at them. Most I ever did straight was 86. I like to do sets of 30 when I do just push-ups. I haven't done them in a while like that.

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5/11/2007  8:39 PM
Wow...86 is outstanding! You must have really strong arms and chest muscles.
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5/11/2007  8:55 PM
86. Holy cow. If I did 86, my arms would fall off. I struggle to do more than 10... so I don't think it would be much of a challenge. Maybe when I get down to my ideal weight, which is a ways away.
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5/11/2007  9:14 PM
Posted by Solace:

86. Holy cow. If I did 86, my arms would fall off. I struggle to do more than 10... so I don't think it would be much of a challenge. Maybe when I get down to my ideal weight, which is a ways away.

Just add 5 or 10 to your total every week and you will be throwing them back like nothing.

I tell you what. Get you a deck of cards. Start off with dealing 3 cards and flipping the 4th. Whatever card that is that's how many pushups you do. If you get a face card its 10, an ace is 15. If you can do every single card in the deck that would be 360! Of course take breaks when you need them. Awesome workout.
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5/11/2007  9:26 PM
I have been doing the low Carb diet for the last 4 weeks, well basically I stopped the sugar intake and so far its been working well. Basically its coffee and toast with sugar in the morning, and for the rest of the day its light lunch and a regular dinner no sweets allowed. I stopped the junk foods like cookies and in between snacking between meals forget the bowl of lucky charms before bed. Gave myself a cheat day to go off on eating (Sunday or Saturday) I went from 185 to 176. I try to lift weights doing light weight heavy reps atleast 3 time per week, over the last 2 weeks and try and get some muscle tone going. So far its working out. I feel better and move a little fast than before. I don't stuggle as much getting in and out of my car. I want to get down to 165. I'm 5'9'' so I think it might be ideal for me.

I think the key is stopping the sugar intake and switching over to low carb wheat bread.
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5/11/2007  9:28 PM
pyramid scheme for pushups.

do 1, pause for 5 seconds.
do 2 in a row, pause for 5 seconds.
do 3 in a row, pause for 5 seconds.

etc. until you work your way up to 10 in a row.

that's 55 pushups in about 2-3 minutes.
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5/12/2007  12:21 AM
Congrats Vmart. That's what I wanted to hear. 4 weeks and the progress you made is wicked. Imagine if you keep it up this month and up until the target date of around late June/July 4th area!

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5/12/2007  1:46 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:

What about energy drinks? One energy drink a day vs. a cup of coffee. Is the coffee better?
Give this product a try:
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Biotest makes the best athletic supplements. If you're trying to get a lot of work done or want a good, intense workout, or want to kick ass playing basketball, Spike will give you tremendous energy and focus. Most energy drinks are just junk with a lot of caffeine.


I'd be really careful about taking any kind of energy supplement like that. Especially when the maker says something like this about it on its own web page:
No one else in the world has access to the power ingredients in Spike. A patent has been filed and I'll keep the formula-activation secret out of the public domain forever. Like the secret Coke formula, I consider the Spike formula to be one of our most-valued assets. As such, I'm not going to discuss one single thing about the science behind it, and I'm certainly not going to publish what makes the power turn on.

And before some of you punks assume that the secret behind Spike is simply caffeine or some other pusillanimous, everyday substance, it’s not! So don’t waste your time asking me about it!

wow, sketchy.
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5/12/2007  3:34 AM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:

What about energy drinks? One energy drink a day vs. a cup of coffee. Is the coffee better?
Give this product a try:
http://www.biotestsupplements.net/products/spike.html
Biotest makes the best athletic supplements. If you're trying to get a lot of work done or want a good, intense workout, or want to kick ass playing basketball, Spike will give you tremendous energy and focus. Most energy drinks are just junk with a lot of caffeine.


I'd be really careful about taking any kind of energy supplement like that. Especially when the maker says something like this about it on its own web page:
No one else in the world has access to the power ingredients in Spike. A patent has been filed and I'll keep the formula-activation secret out of the public domain forever. Like the secret Coke formula, I consider the Spike formula to be one of our most-valued assets. As such, I'm not going to discuss one single thing about the science behind it, and I'm certainly not going to publish what makes the power turn on.

And before some of you punks assume that the secret behind Spike is simply caffeine or some other pusillanimous, everyday substance, it’s not! So don’t waste your time asking me about it!

wow, sketchy.

That looks like a class-action lawsuit waiting to happen. I can't be sure what kind of crap they put in that drink, but think, among other things, greater risk for stroke and myocardial infarction.
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5/12/2007  8:15 AM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:

What about energy drinks? One energy drink a day vs. a cup of coffee. Is the coffee better?
Give this product a try:
http://www.biotestsupplements.net/products/spike.html
Biotest makes the best athletic supplements. If you're trying to get a lot of work done or want a good, intense workout, or want to kick ass playing basketball, Spike will give you tremendous energy and focus. Most energy drinks are just junk with a lot of caffeine.


I'd be really careful about taking any kind of energy supplement like that. Especially when the maker says something like this about it on its own web page:
No one else in the world has access to the power ingredients in Spike. A patent has been filed and I'll keep the formula-activation secret out of the public domain forever. Like the secret Coke formula, I consider the Spike formula to be one of our most-valued assets. As such, I'm not going to discuss one single thing about the science behind it, and I'm certainly not going to publish what makes the power turn on.

And before some of you punks assume that the secret behind Spike is simply caffeine or some other pusillanimous, everyday substance, it’s not! So don’t waste your time asking me about it!

wow, sketchy.

I guess. Weightlifters have been taking it for many years, but it is a slight risk. I only take about one-third the recommended dose and only before lifting. And most energy products (as well as products in general like Coke) don't list every ingredient they include.
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