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For point of reference: Y Curry - 0.48:1 EC Zaza Pachulia - 1.35:1 EC Y Curry - 19.5 ppg, 7.0 rpg, 0.8 asts, 0.5 blk, 0.4 stl, 3.6 TO in 35 mpg Z Pachulia - 12.2 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1.5 asts, 0.5 blk, 1.1 stl, 2.3 TO in 28 mpg P.S.: Eddy - D (no defense) - E (no effort) = Y ====> (Y Curry! Y oh why????)
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nixluva
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4/27/2007  10:52 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:


BlusSeats is a crybaby.

Aren't you the one always whining about perceived name calling and insults?

One entry found for hypocrite.
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings



He and Nixluva are 2 of the biggest hypocrites on this board. What applies to others doesn't apply to them, what applies to other teams doesn't apply to the Knicks, what applies to the Knicks doesn't apply to other teams.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-27-2007 09:39 AM]

What is it with you and calling me a hypocrite? In what way are you accusing me of being a hypocrite? If anything i'm known to be pretty steadfast in my opinion about the Knicks, so what it is that you keep accusing me of doing? You realize that one instance of a person changing their mind doesn't qualify them as a hypocrite? Someone can be hypocritical about a certain subject of particular instance and still not be a habitual Hypocrite, which is what you seem to be saying about me. I've been saying pretty much the same things about this team, tho i'm sure i've changed my mind about certain issues, which anyone is allowed to do. So in what way am I always being false to or contradicting of my beliefs about the Knicks?
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Bonn1997
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4/27/2007  11:02 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:


BlusSeats is a crybaby.

Aren't you the one always whining about perceived name calling and insults?

One entry found for hypocrite.
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings



He and Nixluva are 2 of the biggest hypocrites on this board. What applies to others doesn't apply to them, what applies to other teams doesn't apply to the Knicks, what applies to the Knicks doesn't apply to other teams.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-27-2007 09:39 AM]

What is it with you and calling me a hypocrite? In what way are you accusing me of being a hypocrite? If anything i'm known to be pretty steadfast in my opinion about the Knicks, so what it is that you keep accusing me of doing? You realize that one instance of a person changing their mind doesn't qualify them as a hypocrite? Someone can be hypocritical about a certain subject of particular instance and still not be a habitual Hypocrite, which is what you seem to be saying about me. I've been saying pretty much the same things about this team, tho i'm sure i've changed my mind about certain issues, which anyone is allowed to do. So in what way am I always being false to or contradicting of my beliefs about the Knicks?
It probably has to do with having different standards for the Knicks and everyone else. As one example, I don't remember you using injury excuses for all the teams with worse injury problems than the Knicks.
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4/27/2007  11:22 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:


BlusSeats is a crybaby.

Aren't you the one always whining about perceived name calling and insults?

One entry found for hypocrite.
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings



He and Nixluva are 2 of the biggest hypocrites on this board. What applies to others doesn't apply to them, what applies to other teams doesn't apply to the Knicks, what applies to the Knicks doesn't apply to other teams.


Earle isn't capable of discussing basketball on any intellectual level.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-27-2007 09:39 AM]

Trueblue- You, my friend are the biggest A**hole on this board! I don't usually repond to any of your posts, but
you got some nerve trying to call anyone out. You come off as a know-it-all (who doesn't know much at all) and anyone who doesn't agree with your stance, you call them idiots, dummies, Morons, etc. For someone who does have some valid points at times, you come off very juvenile, and middle-schoolish with your taunts and namecalling.

It seems, your sole purpose is to be proven right as opposed to having any type of engaging discussions here. You already got sonned by Sham in one of the Realgm threads for comming off as a know-it-all and trying to put another poster down because his opinion didn't match yours.



[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-27-2007 11:23 AM]
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misterearl
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4/27/2007  11:27 AM
>>Aren't you the one always whining about perceived name calling and insults?

BS - Name calling is childlike, immature and only leads to wars. If that's how you roll then so be it. If "whining" about something that tears at the fabric of society bothers you, then perhaps you might read current events. I will ALWAYS be an advocate for civility.

If that makes me a "whiner" then I have no problem with that tag.





As far as backing up my perspecctive on NYK basketball, I don't owe any explanation past the fact that I've been a knicks fan since 1967. I closed the old garden with the Knicks beating the 76ers of Billy Cunningham in Clyde's rookie season.

I shook hands with Nate Bowman and visited Winston Salem State where Earl Monroes's portrait still hangs in the lobby of the gym. I rooted for Pat Cummings and Dick Van Arsdale and Mel Davis.

If that isn't sufficient, then tough noogies.

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misterearl
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4/27/2007  11:28 AM
>>Earle isn't capable of discussing basketball on any intellectual level.

TrueBlue - could you please re-direct me to one compelling thread that you have initiated in the past six months?

Just one. Please.

TrueBlue - if that is too difficult, do you think the Knicks can play without a center?

[Edited by - misterearl on 04-27-2007 11:33 AM]
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TrueBlue
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4/27/2007  11:42 AM
Posted by misterearl:

>>Earle isn't capable of discussing basketball on any intellectual level.

TrueBlue - could you please re-direct me to one compelling thread that you have initiated in the past six months?

Just one. Please.

TrueBlue - if that is too difficult, do you think the Knicks can play without a center?

[Edited by - misterearl on 04-27-2007 11:33 AM]


The center position in the NBA is probably the worst in all of sports and I'm ranking being a field goal place holder in the NFL above it. About 70% of the league is playing without a true center and the Knicks are one of them. A center mans the paint and makes everyone else around him better. If he provides scoring it's more of a bonus than anything else.
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misterearl
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4/27/2007  11:52 AM
Hold up

>>Earle isn't capable of discussing basketball on any intellectual level.

then

>>The center position in the NBA is probably the worst in all of sports and I'm ranking being a field goal place holder in the NFL above it. About 70% of the league is playing without a true center and the Knicks are one of them. A center mans the paint and makes everyone else around him better. If he provides scoring it's more of a bonus than anything else.

TrueBlue - don't you EVER in LIFE fix your mouth about ANYONE being capable (or incapable) of discussing basketball on an intellectual level.

Ever.

and I'm being nice about it.

The center position in the NBA is probably the worst in all of sports...

say what?

please inform me as to what a "true" center is. Please.

Pretty please?



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TrueBlue
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4/27/2007  11:56 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:


BlusSeats is a crybaby.

Aren't you the one always whining about perceived name calling and insults?

One entry found for hypocrite.
1 : a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion
2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings



He and Nixluva are 2 of the biggest hypocrites on this board. What applies to others doesn't apply to them, what applies to other teams doesn't apply to the Knicks, what applies to the Knicks doesn't apply to other teams.


Earle isn't capable of discussing basketball on any intellectual level.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-27-2007 09:39 AM]

Trueblue- You, my friend are the biggest A**hole on this board! I don't usually repond to any of your posts, but
you got some nerve trying to call anyone out. You come off as a know-it-all (who doesn't know much at all) and anyone who doesn't agree with your stance, you call them idiots, dummies, Morons, etc. For someone who does have some valid points at times, you come off very juvenile, and middle-schoolish with your taunts and namecalling.

It seems, your sole purpose is to be proven right as opposed to having any type of engaging discussions here. You already got sonned by Sham in one of the Realgm threads for comming off as a know-it-all and trying to put another poster down because his opinion didn't match yours.



[Edited by - bigbeast on 04-27-2007 11:23 AM]



Sham came correct with his breakdown of the cap situation concerning Curry and the Bulls and I immediately owned up to being wrong. I'll be the first to admit being in left field although in that discussion Sham wasn't 100% correct and I was right that the Curry trade allowed the Bulls to sign Ben, maybe not more so than another move but it played a pivitol role. Sham was using Curry's current contract to make the arguement which he shouldn't have because Curry would have received a slightly better deal from the Bulls if he would have did the DNA testing. After we hashed it out, it came to be by not signing Curry the Bulls managed to save $3-4mil in cap room to sign Ben and give him the frontloaded first yr salary so the Pistons wouldn't match. Although it's debatable to some if Ben would have left regardless of what the figure came out to be as long as they were within close distance of each other.

I really need to brush up on my salary cap understanding and transactions that have transpired in the past that lead to a given situation. It's one of my weaknesses for sure.

No problem admitting mistakes. Making several post a day, conversations dealing with numbers/stats and specifics on transactions, one is bound to make a mistake or 2.
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4/27/2007  11:58 AM
Posted by misterearl:
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BS - Name calling is childlike, immature and only leads to wars.

Posted by misterearl:


BlusSeats is a crybaby.

TrueBlue
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4/27/2007  12:02 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by misterearl:
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BS - Name calling is childlike, immature and only leads to wars.

Posted by misterearl:


BlusSeats is a crybaby.


Which in turn=HYPOCRITE. There is a history of doing this


Some people need to look words up in the dictionary for themselves, defining them here does no good.
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misterearl
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4/27/2007  12:03 PM
BlueSeats - hey, i never said I was perfect

then again, given the context, I thought "crybaby" was kinda flattering.
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misterearl
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4/27/2007  12:05 PM
can you go over that "true center" thingie again?

I'm trying to understand what NBA centers were prior to George Mikan

[Edited by - misterearl on 04-27-2007 12:06 PM]
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TrueBlue
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4/27/2007  12:20 PM
Posted by misterearl:

can you go over that "true center" thingie again?

I'm trying to understand what NBA centers were prior to George Mikan

[Edited by - misterearl on 04-27-2007 12:06 PM]


Look we've had this debate before. I already explained to you what a I feel a true center is. Now I won't exclude players according to the position they play/listed but I will exclude to the degree of how the game is being played and how players are used out on the court. Phx, GSW, Det, Dallas(for long stretches throughout a game) play with no center on the floor so yes it's possible to play the game without a center.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-27-2007 11:21 AM]
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4/27/2007  12:30 PM
Hey, I'm coming in on this late so I don't know but...

Has anyone mentioned that Zaza failed to establish himself as a regular starter on a 30 win team? That the Hawks won 26 games during his "break-out" season? That Zaza doesn't see Curry's double and triple coverage, or get to the line nearly as much?

Anyone mention that Zaza's first name is Zaza?

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bigbeast
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4/27/2007  12:46 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Hey, I'm coming in on this late so I don't know but...

Has anyone mentioned that Zaza failed to establish himself as a regular starter on a 30 win team? That the Hawks won 26 games during his "break-out" season? That Zaza doesn't see Curry's double and triple coverage, or get to the line nearly as much?

Anyone mention that Zaza's first name is Zaza?

Hey Earl, what are you doing over here with these charity cases?

Nah, facts just get in the way of the Curry bashing.
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4/27/2007  1:04 PM
Posted by RemBee76:

Hey, I'm coming in on this late so I don't know but...

Has anyone mentioned that Zaza failed to establish himself as a regular starter on a 30 win team? That the Hawks won 26 games during his "break-out" season? That Zaza doesn't see Curry's double and triple coverage, or get to the line nearly as much?

Anyone mention that Zaza's first name is Zaza?

Hey Earl, what are you doing over here with these charity cases?


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4/27/2007  1:26 PM
Yeah, I understand not wanting to build around Curry. That to me is fair and logical. I understand not being enamored with his game, because right now the truth is that he is only a scorer and does nothing else well. But you can't discredit him as a basketball player completely. There is room for one dimensional players in the NBa. Many have starred for championship teams. Curry is a tough low post scorer and does cause havoc for other teams whether you want to admit it or not.

The problem is that we need to build a team that takes advantage of his skills as we go forward instead of hoping that he becomes Bill Walton or Kareem or Shaq. He's never going to be a good passer. His reboounding will most likely always be below average(7 years to get himself to 7 rebounds a game). He's most likely never going to be a great defender. So let's build a team that can use his skills in the post. But has other players that can create havoc and make teams pay when they spend so much time defending Curry. Right now our mismash crew isn't built right.

Now I dare someone to find something unfair in that post.
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4/27/2007  1:38 PM
ZaZa is a better rebounder and passer
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4/27/2007  1:38 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Yeah, I understand not wanting to build around Curry. That to me is fair and logical. I understand not being enamored with his game, because right now the truth is that he is only a scorer and does nothing else well. But you can't discredit him as a basketball player completely. There is room for one dimensional players in the NBa. Many have starred for championship teams. Curry is a tough low post scorer and does cause havoc for other teams whether you want to admit it or not.

The problem is that we need to build a team that takes advantage of his skills as we go forward instead of hoping that he becomes Bill Walton or Kareem or Shaq. He's never going to be a good passer. His reboounding will most likely always be below average(7 years to get himself to 7 rebounds a game). He's most likely never going to be a great defender. So let's build a team that can use his skills in the post. But has other players that can create havoc and make teams pay when they spend so much time defending Curry. Right now our mismash crew isn't built right.

Now I dare someone to find something unfair in that post.
I agree that there's a place for one dimensional specialists including Curry but they're just role players, they're not crucial, and you shouldn't give up much for them.
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4/27/2007  1:41 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

Yeah, I understand not wanting to build around Curry. That to me is fair and logical. I understand not being enamored with his game, because right now the truth is that he is only a scorer and does nothing else well. But you can't discredit him as a basketball player completely. There is room for one dimensional players in the NBa. Many have starred for championship teams. Curry is a tough low post scorer and does cause havoc for other teams whether you want to admit it or not.

The problem is that we need to build a team that takes advantage of his skills as we go forward instead of hoping that he becomes Bill Walton or Kareem or Shaq. He's never going to be a good passer. His reboounding will most likely always be below average(7 years to get himself to 7 rebounds a game). He's most likely never going to be a great defender. So let's build a team that can use his skills in the post. But has other players that can create havoc and make teams pay when they spend so much time defending Curry. Right now our mismash crew isn't built right.

Now I dare someone to find something unfair in that post.

Great post Bip.
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