Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by islesfan:

nixluva, you don't think there's any reason why you should be impressed with Toronto but you're beside yourself with optimism when it comes to the Knicks?

There's no way he proofreads what he types. No F'N way!

How about you use your brain and think for a second. I'm not comparing the Knicks to the Raptors when i say that i'm not impressed with the Raps. You assume that this is what i'm doing. My saying that i'm not impressed with them has to do with them as a team on their own merit just as I would do with ANY team. It's not about how good they may be in comparison with the Knicks. As ususal you guys just made that connection on your own to suit your need of trying to make me look stupid. I evaluate the Knicks future prospects as a team on their own as well. I like their prospects as a team and how it's being developed. That's my opinion.

As for Toronto, I can see that Toronto had a good regular season and good for them. I'm not that impressed with them, from a playoff and title perspective, because I see a team that really only has TJ as it's main threat to penetrate or create his own shot and when he's not on the floor it's Calderon, who is less of a penetrator than TJ. What I see is that they don't really have a post up game either and thus they will struggle if teams take away the stand still perimeter shooters by staying home on them and doubling Bosh. TJ can't win games on his own and teams will force him to try and carry the load, much like what teams did to Nash in the playoffs. If you look you'll see that when Nash played the better defensive teams they would take away his passing options and consequently his scoring went up in order to keep his team in the games. They would let him go off but take away his other players. The more guys like Barbosa develop the better their chances, cuz you need other guys that can create their own shots. On Toronto, they will have similar problems, cuz I don't see enough good shot creators on that team other than TJ. You don't have to agree with me, but that's my opinion.

I'm blinking rapidly at the screen in shock from this post.


Just for starters (because I know there will be a few to take a match to this post) I'll ask you to look up Ford's and Calderon's stats as a tandem and dare you to find a better PG combo in the leage outside of Nash and Barbosa. Compare all the important stats for that matter if you want

Posted by islesfan:

You're welcome to your opinion but don't you find it the least bit interesting that in that one post you've been more analytically critical of the Raptors than you've been in 1800 posts combined about the Knicks?

How about you turn that analytical eye towards the Knicks for a second? And try to leave out the hopes and dreams that you usually use when discussing the Knicks.

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by islesfan:

You're welcome to your opinion but don't you find it the least bit interesting that in that one post you've been more analytically critical of the Raptors than you've been in 1800 posts combined about the Knicks?

How about you turn that analytical eye towards the Knicks for a second? And try to leave out the hopes and dreams that you usually use when discussing the Knicks.

I find it strange cuz i've made mention MANY times of the flaws of our players. You guys seem to mix up my overall optimism for the TEAM with specific critique of the players individually. You seem to be assuming that I think most of our players are playing just fine, as if they don't need to change a thing or that ALL of our young players will get better, when i've never said such a thing. I do think it's reasonable to expect some improvement for some of our players. I've been openly critical of every player we have, however, I also like to be FAIR with respect to our players, which is something that many of us refuse to do. There's often too much vitriol in statements about our players. They SUCK or they are the WORST. They'll NEVER get better yadda, yadda, yadda. These kinds of statements are overboard and so I end up defending our players for the GOOD things they do. This doesn't mean that i'm ignoring the bad, but when i'm constantly having to defend our players this is what comes across most prominently to you and thus you label me as having rose colored glases or being a shill for the Knicks. If some of you were more fair in your assessments of our players and what they can do, I would be less inclined to come to their defense.

I think the mix-up comes with the fact that everytime someone else critiques a player you dismiss their critique as hatred and then talk about how great that player is. Because you never allow others to be critical of the players you like, people don't really see anything else from you.

I'll give you an example. I have heard you criticize Steve Francis a few times over the past few weeks and I have agreed with you and respect your opinion. But then I remember your relentless attacks on me over the summer when I said the Stevie and Stephon backcourt was not a good backcourt. You proceeded to call me a hater that needed to root for the Nets. Now you are echoing my thoughts. You do these on repeated topcis and players and it just hurts your credibility. You give rosy outlook postings anytime anyone else besides you criticizes a player. You dismiss their opinion, until you feel it's okay for you to criticize.

Posted by Solace:

^ I totally hear you on that one Bip. That reminds me of something that happened at work one day a while back. It went something like this:

1) coworker is having some issue, thinking outloud
2) I tell coworker, why don't you ABC and it's a piece of cake.
3) Coworker says, "that won't work!"
4) I shrug and say fine.
5) Two days later, I overhear coworker telling other coworker how he just implemented ABC.
6) I sit in my cubicle like "WTF... that was MY idea!"