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Solace
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4/19/2007  4:37 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

19 and 7 can be built on

but only if the 

STL	BLK	TO	AST
.42	.49	3.64	0.8


are improved.

I think we'll see his scoring improve the most.

In other words, he'll become even more of a one-dimensional player?
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4/19/2007  4:37 PM
guys you should lock this thread.


sorry for making it, i'm a teeniebop knickfan loser.




[Edited by - bobs3304 on 04-19-2007 4:37 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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4/19/2007  4:40 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

19 and 7 can be built on

but only if the 

STL	BLK	TO	AST
.42	.49	3.64	0.8


are improved.

I think we'll see his scoring improve the most.

In other words, he'll become even more of a one-dimensional player?

Yes. 22pts 7 rebs 1 asst 3 TO. Our team point diff. was -2.9 this year. Curry scoring more efficiently will make us a winner. Everything others can do is fine, but the more Curry can do the better.

[Edited by - kam77 on 04-19-2007 4:42 PM]
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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4/19/2007  4:43 PM
How you build around Curry.

Since we are ****ed and not doing anything according to isiah, we can beat any team in the east if this happens.

Step 1:
Lock Eddy Curry, Malik Rose and Jerome James in a sauna from june-sep, eddy and jerome should be able to shed at least 50 pounds getting them down to about 300 give or take pound

Step 2:
Sign Allan Houston for the veteran min or give him the mid-level to become a shooting instructor/15 minute a night spot up shooter (can't possibly play defense any worse than Francis, just waving his arms and complaining about the call he didn't get while his defender runs by would suffice)
-David Lee
-Balkman
-Collins
-Jefferies
All most attend the minicamp, and until jefferies can make two layups in a row he can't leave

Step 3:
Hire Charles Oakly to make channing frye cry and run back to arizona. Include Nate so Oak can pimp slap the little guy

Steph 4:
Remove the muscles in isiahs face so he is unable to smile, preventing him from effectively fooling ultimateknicks.com posters that we actually have a future.

Step 5:
Give Ewing a job similiar to Rocky in his restaurant to greet fans at the play by play to talk about the good all days
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4/19/2007  4:49 PM
not for nothing, but i don't want to bring back former knicks into the fold. i don't see any of the ones mentioned - oakley, ewing, h20 adding anything to the team. i don't think they are good coaches and it's a total nostalgia act that will not help the team in any department but PR.

isiah has like 10 assistant coaches and front office help. the guy has his staff. he has his players. let's see how this unfolds now that we can sit back and watch for the next few years without any "guillotines" hanging over people's heads.
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4/19/2007  4:54 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

19 and 7 can be built on

but only if the 

STL	BLK	TO	AST
.42	.49	3.64	0.8


are improved.

I think we'll see his scoring improve the most.

You're probably right and that's what worries me about him.
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4/19/2007  4:58 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

19 and 7 can be built on

but only if the 

STL	BLK	TO	AST
.42	.49	3.64	0.8


are improved.

I think we'll see his scoring improve the most.

You're probably right and that's what worries me about him.

Curry makes 5 of 8 from the line every game. He's gotta get better at the line. Make 6 of 8 from there instead. And go there more often. Make 7 out of ten next year Eddy! Scoring 22pts per game should be easy. Get Malik more time to throw some of those pretty lobs ECs way for more easy buckets. Eddy is one-dimensional. His one dimension is our team strength. Lets accentuate the strength and lead with that. As Eddy becomes a better scorer, we will win more.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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4/19/2007  5:05 PM
The best we can ask for Curry is to come to camp in great shape. Put a lot of focus on how to stop turning the ball over he needs to reduce his average by 1 TO per game at least. As well as putting focus on rebounding the ball like a MAN increasing his average by 3.

I don't expect him to be a good shotblocker, thief, or passer though he could average 1.5-2 a game if he worked on it.
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4/19/2007  5:16 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

The best we can ask for Curry is to come to camp in great shape. Put a lot of focus on how to stop turning the ball over he needs to reduce his average by 1 TO per game at least. As well as putting focus on rebounding the ball like a MAN increasing his average by 3.

I don't expect him to be a good shotblocker, thief, or passer though he could average 1.5-2 a game if he worked on it.

If he did all of the things you said he would be a great player. But then we're not talking about Eddy Curry anymore. Increasing rebounding by 3, reducing TOs by 1, and getting 1.5-2 of each of those things would make him an all-star. I don't think Curry is that type of player. If Curry could become a player who puts up 22 ppg, 8.5 rpg (I don't think he'll ever get any better than that), 2 asts (a center like him could pile up assists if he would just pass out of the post... EVER), and 1.2 blks, I think most of the criticism goes away. Right now he's a lazy slug and has a long way to go. Big problem for him is if he actually starts putting ni the effort to do all of the "little things", he's going to wear down quicker and won't get as many mpg. EC playing hard would get no more than an average of 30 mpg... but I'd rather have him playing hard and get a few less minutes than playing like a softie.
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4/19/2007  5:21 PM
great post.
Posted by Solace:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

The best we can ask for Curry is to come to camp in great shape. Put a lot of focus on how to stop turning the ball over he needs to reduce his average by 1 TO per game at least. As well as putting focus on rebounding the ball like a MAN increasing his average by 3.

I don't expect him to be a good shotblocker, thief, or passer though he could average 1.5-2 a game if he worked on it.

If he did all of the things you said he would be a great player. But then we're not talking about Eddy Curry anymore. Increasing rebounding by 3, reducing TOs by 1, and getting 1.5-2 of each of those things would make him an all-star. I don't think Curry is that type of player. If Curry could become a player who puts up 22 ppg, 8.5 rpg (I don't think he'll ever get any better than that), 2 asts (a center like him could pile up assists if he would just pass out of the post... EVER), and 1.2 blks, I think most of the criticism goes away. Right now he's a lazy slug and has a long way to go. Big problem for him is if he actually starts putting ni the effort to do all of the "little things", he's going to wear down quicker and won't get as many mpg. EC playing hard would get no more than an average of 30 mpg... but I'd rather have him playing hard and get a few less minutes than playing like a softie.

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4/19/2007  5:33 PM
Posted by kam77:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by kam77:
Posted by martin:
Posted by misterearl:

19 and 7 can be built on

but only if the 

STL	BLK	TO	AST
.42	.49	3.64	0.8


are improved.

I think we'll see his scoring improve the most.

You're probably right and that's what worries me about him.

Curry makes 5 of 8 from the line every game. He's gotta get better at the line. Make 6 of 8 from there instead. And go there more often. Make 7 out of ten next year Eddy! Scoring 22pts per game should be easy. Get Malik more time to throw some of those pretty lobs ECs way for more easy buckets. Eddy is one-dimensional. His one dimension is our team strength. Lets accentuate the strength and lead with that. As Eddy becomes a better scorer, we will win more.

unless his defense gets worse as his scoring goes up like this year.
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4/19/2007  5:37 PM
I think the biggest problem with building around Curry is not his talent. It's the fact that the guy we are building around is also one of the laziest guys on the team. This cannot be done unless we get some real leaders in here. Otherwise Curry will not change. Coddling does not change you. IT enables you. WE need people who will get in his face.
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4/19/2007  5:55 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

I think the biggest problem with building around Curry is not his talent. It's the fact that the guy we are building around is also one of the laziest guys on the team. This cannot be done unless we get some real leaders in here. Otherwise Curry will not change. Coddling does not change you. IT enables you. WE need people who will get in his face.

I think he'd just crumble under that scenario.
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4/19/2007  5:59 PM
Then he's a pV$$y and doesn't deserve to be a Knick.
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4/19/2007  7:52 PM
I don't believe in building around eddy curry, but if we do, the ramifications won't be all that bad if it doesn't work. The worst case scenario is that we trade Frye and lee and other bench players for a pf that can block shots, rebound, play defense, and is a smart basketball iq player(this is a good player to have anyway). We will undoubtoubly lose in trading Frye's value and we are missing out on the chance that lee will be a star, but we will have a good player that we can use in the future.

I'd like Curry surrounded by as many good players as possible as soon as possible so we can put this nightmare to rest. If we suck next year it should be much more clear and a lot less debateable why. If we suck next year we can always get a good draft pick next year. The worst case scenario about surrounding players with players that complement Curry is that we end up with a bunch of smart bb iq players that can rebound, and play team defense, and potentially can hit some jumps shots.
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4/19/2007  7:54 PM
why is a 24 year old guy who went for 19 and 7 treated like a criminal?

Eddy Curry is three years away from his prime years

sheesh

[Edited by - misterearl on 04-19-2007 7:54 PM]
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4/19/2007  8:04 PM
Posted by misterearl:

why is a 24 year old guy who went for 19 and 7 treated like a criminal?

Eddy Curry is three years away from his prime years

sheesh

[Edited by - misterearl on 04-19-2007 7:54 PM]

Will Eddy Curry ever be a good defensive player? Will he learn how to block shots?
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4/19/2007  8:07 PM
only his hairdresser knows for sure.

Let's just hope that Eddy maintains a passion for the game and does not walk away one day, realizing there is more that he wants to experience in life a la Yannick Noah, Ricky Williams or Bison Dele.

Eddy strikes me as a reluctant hero.
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4/19/2007  9:42 PM
Posted by misterearl:

why is a 24 year old guy who went for 19 and 7 treated like a criminal?

Eddy Curry is three years away from his prime years

sheesh

[Edited by - misterearl on 04-19-2007 7:54 PM]

He's a stat whore. Maybe a glorified Tim Thomas. One notch below the 20/10 Charles Smith.
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4/19/2007  10:21 PM
The "Build-Around" Myth

Bonn - what about a more balanced and equal assesment of Eddy Curry against other 24 year-old centers in the league?

I don't think you "build around" any player as much as you try to devise a system that maximizes all their strengths.

As Eddy Curry is a dangerous low-post offensive player, that is merely one part of establishing an offensive playing personality.

So, you start with that... but you don't stop there.

The next element might be establishing an effective passing game to get that low-post player the rock.. enter Mardy Collins (to direct traffic) and/or a healthy Jamal Crawford...

Jamal, although his shooting percentage leaves something to be desired, can spread the floor with his range...AND he and Eddy are boys so...

the chemistry should be cool.

Now, here's the fun part.

The Knicks need crisper ball movement and another outside threat from either the 3 or 4 spot to relieve some of the pressure on Curry.

The first two players - between Lee, Jeffries (nope) Frye, Balkman or the player(s) Isiah will name later... to develop a consistent perimeter game (preferably a mid-range shot that he can make at a 44% clip or above) to compliment his defensive ability...

...those chosen two players will hold the key to next season.

six guys in double figures is the goal



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