Posted by franco12:

this (2007) is last years team

Posted by mythfaze:

So of course I started reading this from the very beginning, paying no attention to the date. I was more or less ready to off myself reading (what I thought) was Dolan coming out again and declaring his support for Isiah. Can not tell you how happy I was to finally notice the year was 2007.

Posted by iyamwutiam:

It is interesting that Dolan is attributing both Curry and Jeffries to LB. You can also throw in Jalen Rose> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2317958
""He's exactly what we need," Brown said before the game. "I think it's a no-brainer. I haven't seen a drop-off in his game. We don't have enough ball-handlers, guys that have experience back there."
< This cost the Knicks about 30M in terms of a buy-out.>

It is evident - finally - and I am sure may be more evident a few years down the road - that the moves of Marbury/Curry/Jeffries/J.Rose/Davis etc can not all be attributed to Isiah.

There is an interesting thread here: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183670

It is understandable - especially in the beginning -that Dolan, rabid fans etc - did not wish to under go the pain of rebuilding that Portland (atleast 3 seasons with less than 30 wins (average) that was necessary. Im NYC - it seems that regardless of the decade -- the only prority is to get 'in the playoffs' and not necessarily build a team that will be competitive and most importantly improving year after year on a foundation - this does not oly apply to the Knicks - see the Yankees, Mets/etc. Marbury was brought in as a lynchpin to fill the seats while the rebuilding was in process.

The multiple constraints of LB, Dolan, the ever impatient NY fans, and an always attacking media (to sell papers/tabloids-particulary the Post and the Dailey News) etc necessarily create a schizoid approach to rebuilding. No GM will have the luxury or carte blanche to suffer 3-4 straight losing seasons, have a line up of KVH, Lampje, McDyess, Eisley and Shandon Anderson for two to three years - so that you can draft players. Also the draft is a crap shoot - for every brandon roy - there is a jay williams or Randy Foye. for every La Marcus Aldridge - there is atleast one Tyrus Thomas. I know that had Derron Williams not worked out- the Utah Jazz would certainly be forever reminded of how they could have gotten Chris Paul.

I would like to see IT stay through out the extension but more importantly - be left alone from the impulses of Dolan,fans etc. There are a few things that are not disputed - :
1. That the knicks team -on paper and in terms of young players -have more talent than they had in 2004.
2. That by 2009 or 2010 they will definitely be under the cap and be in a position to make a run at Le Bron or soe legitimate superstar.
3. That since the 3 game win streak - they have played better (less blow outs, more chances of winning games etc). In the NFl - thi is generally the team that has a break out season the following year.

I expect to see a much better team -next year- and also I think a lot more players will not be so quick to raise their hand -if the question is asked - do we need Marbury!

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-17-2008 5:45 PM]

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Posted by martin:

Posted by iyamwutiam:

It is interesting that Dolan is attributing both Curry and Jeffries to LB. You can also throw in Jalen Rose> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2317958
""He's exactly what we need," Brown said before the game. "I think it's a no-brainer. I haven't seen a drop-off in his game. We don't have enough ball-handlers, guys that have experience back there."
< This cost the Knicks about 30M in terms of a buy-out.>

It is evident - finally - and I am sure may be more evident a few years down the road - that the moves of Marbury/Curry/Jeffries/J.Rose/Davis etc can not all be attributed to Isiah.

There is an interesting thread here: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183670

It is understandable - especially in the beginning -that Dolan, rabid fans etc - did not wish to under go the pain of rebuilding that Portland (atleast 3 seasons with less than 30 wins (average) that was necessary. Im NYC - it seems that regardless of the decade -- the only prority is to get 'in the playoffs' and not necessarily build a team that will be competitive and most importantly improving year after year on a foundation - this does not oly apply to the Knicks - see the Yankees, Mets/etc. Marbury was brought in as a lynchpin to fill the seats while the rebuilding was in process.

The multiple constraints of LB, Dolan, the ever impatient NY fans, and an always attacking media (to sell papers/tabloids-particulary the Post and the Dailey News) etc necessarily create a schizoid approach to rebuilding. No GM will have the luxury or carte blanche to suffer 3-4 straight losing seasons, have a line up of KVH, Lampje, McDyess, Eisley and Shandon Anderson for two to three years - so that you can draft players. Also the draft is a crap shoot - for every brandon roy - there is a jay williams or Randy Foye. for every La Marcus Aldridge - there is atleast one Tyrus Thomas. I know that had Derron Williams not worked out- the Utah Jazz would certainly be forever reminded of how they could have gotten Chris Paul.

I would like to see IT stay through out the extension but more importantly - be left alone from the impulses of Dolan,fans etc. There are a few things that are not disputed - :
1. That the knicks team -on paper and in terms of young players -have more talent than they had in 2004.
2. That by 2009 or 2010 they will definitely be under the cap and be in a position to make a run at Le Bron or soe legitimate superstar.
3. That since the 3 game win streak - they have played better (less blow outs, more chances of winning games etc). In the NFl - thi is generally the team that has a break out season the following year.

I expect to see a much better team -next year- and also I think a lot more players will not be so quick to raise their hand -if the question is asked - do we need Marbury!

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-17-2008 5:45 PM]

dude, every time you post you say something so wildly off the mark people stop reading your posts.

What is so 'off the mark'. It is clearly written in 4949's post about Jeffries and Brown -supposedly said by Dolan. What is -so off the mark - by stating the obvious that NY fans hae never been patient and are always asking for the playoffs?!/ What is so off the mark of quoting LB - stating the alen Rose was 'exactly' what we need? What os SO off the mark by speculating that most of the NY knicks fans were giddy about Marbury arriving to NYC - the 'return of the hometown hero- an established PG wo was still in his prime ?"- and what is so off the mark -that one fo the greatest benefits of this move was to generate excitement to a franchise that had no players in 2003 - that could come remotely close to Marbury in terms of generating this excitement.

There is no doubt - that many gambles did not pay off - Crawford, Q Rich etc. No doubt that bringing Randolph and having MArbury go through his personal and professional issues - really hurt the team. But as the interview clearly reveals (what is obvious in the real world) - no GM operates in a vaccuum. He operates in world where he has to fill seats, generate interest and be responsive to the owner's needs/plight and requests and demands of the 'highest paid coach in NBA history'. Perhaps - people should say that a few times to let it sink in -'The highest paid coach in NBA history!!'. Do you really think he is not going to have more input than the GM?!?!?

If your making 70K a year and I am making 150K a year - even though I work for you - who do you think has the last word at the meetings?!

You are the worst poster on this website, bar none. I have never seen a post from you not defending Isiah and I almost feel as if it is one of Dolan's cronies or Isiah himself under your username. Everything you post is a misinterpretation of the truth, the facts, the real story. You post the same irrelevant nonsense every damn time and expect people to agree with it. You blame the fans for asking for playoffs every year when I can pretty much tell you that when you have the highest payroll in the NBA over the last 7 years, people expect to make it to the playoffs more than once. People can take rebuilding, as evidenced by the fact that people still crowd the Garden for a 15-37 team. But they actually want to see rebuilding take place. This isn't it. You can talk about Larry Brown(fired 2 years ago and yet still used as an excuse, lol) and anyone else who destroyed Isiah Thomas' master plan but the BOTTOM LINE is that Isiah Thomas FAILED in New York. He has failed the Knicks, Dolan, the fans, himself, the city of New York, and everything else associated with him. He is one of the worst general managers in sports history and the WORST in New York Knicks history and he will never be forgiven for making this franchise the mockery it is today. When you get out of the plastic pro-Isiah bubble you're living in, let me know. Maybe then we can have a real conversation.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 02-17-2008 6:15 PM]

Posted by GKFv2:

Posted by iyamwutiam:

Posted by martin:

Posted by iyamwutiam:

It is interesting that Dolan is attributing both Curry and Jeffries to LB. You can also throw in Jalen Rose> http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2317958
""He's exactly what we need," Brown said before the game. "I think it's a no-brainer. I haven't seen a drop-off in his game. We don't have enough ball-handlers, guys that have experience back there."
< This cost the Knicks about 30M in terms of a buy-out.>


It is evident - finally - and I am sure may be more evident a few years down the road - that the moves of Marbury/Curry/Jeffries/J.Rose/Davis etc can not all be attributed to Isiah.

There is an interesting thread here: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183670

It is understandable - especially in the beginning -that Dolan, rabid fans etc - did not wish to under go the pain of rebuilding that Portland (atleast 3 seasons with less than 30 wins (average) that was necessary. Im NYC - it seems that regardless of the decade -- the only prority is to get 'in the playoffs' and not necessarily build a team that will be competitive and most importantly improving year after year on a foundation - this does not oly apply to the Knicks - see the Yankees, Mets/etc. Marbury was brought in as a lynchpin to fill the seats while the rebuilding was in process.

The multiple constraints of LB, Dolan, the ever impatient NY fans, and an always attacking media (to sell papers/tabloids-particulary the Post and the Dailey News) etc necessarily create a schizoid approach to rebuilding. No GM will have the luxury or carte blanche to suffer 3-4 straight losing seasons, have a line up of KVH, Lampje, McDyess, Eisley and Shandon Anderson for two to three years - so that you can draft players. Also the draft is a crap shoot - for every brandon roy - there is a jay williams or Randy Foye. for every La Marcus Aldridge - there is atleast one Tyrus Thomas. I know that had Derron Williams not worked out- the Utah Jazz would certainly be forever reminded of how they could have gotten Chris Paul.

I would like to see IT stay through out the extension but more importantly - be left alone from the impulses of Dolan,fans etc. There are a few things that are not disputed - :
1. That the knicks team -on paper and in terms of young players -have more talent than they had in 2004.
2. That by 2009 or 2010 they will definitely be under the cap and be in a position to make a run at Le Bron or soe legitimate superstar.
3. That since the 3 game win streak - they have played better (less blow outs, more chances of winning games etc). In the NFl - thi is generally the team that has a break out season the following year.

I expect to see a much better team -next year- and also I think a lot more players will not be so quick to raise their hand -if the question is asked - do we need Marbury!

[Edited by - iyamwutiam on 02-17-2008 5:45 PM]

dude, every time you post you say something so wildly off the mark people stop reading your posts.

What is so 'off the mark'. It is clearly written in 4949's post about Jeffries and Brown -supposedly said by Dolan. What is -so off the mark - by stating the obvious that NY fans hae never been patient and are always asking for the playoffs?!/ What is so off the mark of quoting LB - stating the alen Rose was 'exactly' what we need? What os SO off the mark by speculating that most of the NY knicks fans were giddy about Marbury arriving to NYC - the 'return of the hometown hero- an established PG wo was still in his prime ?"- and what is so off the mark -that one fo the greatest benefits of this move was to generate excitement to a franchise that had no players in 2003 - that could come remotely close to Marbury in terms of generating this excitement.

There is no doubt - that many gambles did not pay off - Crawford, Q Rich etc. No doubt that bringing Randolph and having MArbury go through his personal and professional issues - really hurt the team. But as the interview clearly reveals (what is obvious in the real world) - no GM operates in a vaccuum. He operates in world where he has to fill seats, generate interest and be responsive to the owner's needs/plight and requests and demands of the 'highest paid coach in NBA history'. Perhaps - people should say that a few times to let it sink in -'The highest paid coach in NBA history!!'. Do you really think he is not going to have more input than the GM?!?!?

If your making 70K a year and I am making 150K a year - even though I work for you - who do you think has the last word at the meetings?!

You are the worst poster on this website, bar none. I have never seen a post from you not defending Isiah and I almost feel as if it is one of Dolan's cronies or Isiah himself under your username. Everything you post is a misinterpretation of the truth, the facts, the real story. You post the same irrelevant nonsense every damn time and expect people to agree with it. You blame the fans for asking for playoffs every year when I can pretty much tell you that when you have the highest payroll in the NBA over the last 7 years, people expect to make it to the playoffs more than once. People can take rebuilding, as evidenced by the fact that people still crowd the Garden for a 15-37 team. But they actually want to see rebuilding take place. This isn't it. You can talk about Larry Brown(fired 2 years ago and yet still used as an excuse, lol) and anyone else who destroyed Isiah Thomas' master plan but the BOTTOM LINE is that Isiah Thomas FAILED in New York. He has failed the Knicks, Dolan, the fans, himself, the city of New York, and everything else associated with him. He is one of the worst general managers in sports history and the WORST in New York Knicks history and he will never be forgiven for making this franchise the mockery it is today. When you get out of the plastic pro-Isiah bubble you're living in, let me know. Maybe then we can have a real conversation.

[Edited by - gkfv2 on 02-17-2008 6:15 PM]

I wish I was Martin or Andrew seriously.



Between him and Earl it's Mockery posting at best.