Posted by Bippity10:

Another thing to note is what djsunynyc said earlier. Cap space in NY is more valuable than anywhere else because people want to play here.

What's more important than cap space is signing people to reasonable contracts that match their talentss. Taht's what well run organizations do. It helps them with trades, siging free agents and saving for the big signing. Overpaying does nothing but give you 5 or 6 guys that you literally cannot trade.

Posted by islesfan:

You know what I mean! Guys that spend the majority of their time at Center. Also guys that really can't play as PF's. Any of those requirements. There are indeed more than 12 guys like that.

No, honestly I don't. It sounds like you're looking to exclude some centers in order to make Curry look better. Can you post a link showing where he's 10th in rebounding?

I've already mentioned his defense. While that's an important factor, it's not the only thing, so you can't keep him from qualifying as a Center we can build around just cuz he's deficient in that category.

The defensive end is half the game. Why do you want to only judge him on the offensive side? Even then he's only a 19 pt a game player while offering nothing else, in terms of a team's offense.

How many 19 pt centers, who are below average on defense and rebounding, would you consider to be Franchise players that their teams built around and won?

In terms of him scoring 19 per, that's not a small thing. He's VERY effficient and he's also drawing fouls. He's also warping the entire defense of the opponent. Once we get it together that will prove to be a BIG plus for this team. No team wants to give up easy baskets and that's pretty much what we'd get if they didn't send a lot of help. See you want this to seem like his offense is of little consequence, but it's NOT. We're not even that good at getting him the ball yet. Likewise he's not yet as good as I think he'll be at passing it back out. I believe we'll get there tho.

Warping the entire defense of the opponent? Are you on crack? Here's the opponents defensive strategy for every game: Double Curry and put a body on him every time he touches it and force him to turn it over, take a tough shot, make a bad pass or committ an offensive foul. This has been going on for awhile now and Curry has yet to figure it out. You call it warped, others would call it smart and successful basketball.

You want to talk about easy baskets? With Curry at center, the Knicks give up more than twice as many easy baskets than Curry gets.

"I believe we'll get there tho"

that's your whole argument in a nutshell. You hope. Take an objective look at them and you would have no reason to.

[Edited by - islesfan on 04-09-2007 7:20 PM]

Posted by TrueBlue:

Nixluva you have to stop doing stuff like this because your credibility continues to dwindle. Here's where Curry ranks in rebounding amongst centers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbarebound&league=nba&split=
0&sort=totreb&avg=pg&qual=true&season=2007&seasontype=2&pos=c


He's 21rst. LOL @ your misinformation

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Nixluva you have to stop doing stuff like this because your credibility continues to dwindle. Here's where Curry ranks in rebounding amongst centers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbarebound&league=nba&split=
0&sort=totreb&avg=pg&qual=true&season=2007&seasontype=2&pos=c


He's 21rst. LOL @ your misinformation

I really wish you would get a LIFE! For one thing I CLEARLY stated that I was speaking of TRUE Centers. Not guys that Play a major part of the game at PF. Curry doesn't play at PF, except for those few times when he's out there with James. YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T READ, since your list includes guys that are not true Centers. They may be bigs, but they don't play the game the way a true Center does.

In any event I tire of your insinuation that i'm intentionally trying to mislead people. This isn't a court case. There are LOTS of sources for information. I qualified my statement and that's what I found to be the case. More to the point, Eddy is an impact player and is rightly considered to be the cornerstone of what this team is looking to do going forward. He's not necessarily a superstar Franchise player yet, but on this team it's going to be built around him.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Nixluva you have to stop doing stuff like this because your credibility continues to dwindle. Here's where Curry ranks in rebounding amongst centers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/statistics?stat=nbarebound&league=nba&split=
0&sort=totreb&avg=pg&qual=true&season=2007&seasontype=2&pos=c


He's 21rst. LOL @ your misinformation

I really wish you would get a LIFE! For one thing I CLEARLY stated that I was speaking of TRUE Centers. Not guys that Play a major part of the game at PF. Curry doesn't play at PF, except for those few times when he's out there with James. YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T READ, since your list includes guys that are not true Centers. They may be bigs, but they don't play the game the way a true Center does.

In any event I tire of your insinuation that i'm intentionally trying to mislead people. This isn't a court case. There are LOTS of sources for information. I qualified my statement and that's what I found to be the case. More to the point, Eddy is an impact player and is rightly considered to be the cornerstone of what this team is looking to do going forward. He's not necessarily a superstar Franchise player yet, but on this team it's going to be built around him.

So you are looking to exclude some centers in order to make Curry look better.

You even admitted that Curry was such a liability on defense that they had to start James and move Curry to PF for a time. Curry isn't a "True Center" either according to you. So why are you judging him against real "True Centers"?

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Solace:

Balkman had nothing to do with that trade. The Raptors wanted the expiring contract. You can't tell us Antonio Davis over Tim Thomas got us an extra pick. Second of all, Tyrus Thomas is a few years away from being able to be judged. Furthermore, the Knicks will probably pick around #20. The Bulls may get a pick much better than #10, as possible as high as #4 pre-lottery or #1 after. Let's stick to the facts please. This article was garbage because it "fudged" over some very important elements.

Ummm.. despite what you are saying it is not true.
Curry and Davis traded from Bulls for Sweetney, Thomas, Knicks 2007 draft pick and the right to swap the pick in 2008. Knicks trade Davis to Raptors for Jalen Rose and Denver's 20th pick. Ty Thomas was selected with the 2nd pick while Balkman was selected with the 20th pick. YOu can hold your breath, have a fit and roll on the ground, you can scream Ty Thomas is god. I don't care but them are the facts. What remains is who both the Knicks and Bulls select with the swap picks. That will be the deciding factor as it currently stand Curry and Balkman are better than Ty Thomas and Mike Sweetney.

Did Isiah make the Curry trade knowing that he could turn Jalen Rose into a draft pick that he knew he could use to specifically get Balkman?

No, so it has nothing to do with that trade. It's ridiculous to just begat parts of trades to see where parts eventually ended up. If that were legitimate then Isiah should be fired based solely on the Marbury trade since the Suns ended up using that cap room to sign a 2 time MVP.

Posted by TrueBlue:

I find at least 12 legitimate guys on the list who are centers. I was being generous in taking a few guys away. And Curry has the nerve to be ranked 40th at rebounds per48 from that same list.

Tonight he had 5reb

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-09-2007 9:41 PM]

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Pharzeone:

Posted by Solace:

Balkman had nothing to do with that trade. The Raptors wanted the expiring contract. You can't tell us Antonio Davis over Tim Thomas got us an extra pick. Second of all, Tyrus Thomas is a few years away from being able to be judged. Furthermore, the Knicks will probably pick around #20. The Bulls may get a pick much better than #10, as possible as high as #4 pre-lottery or #1 after. Let's stick to the facts please. This article was garbage because it "fudged" over some very important elements.

Ummm.. despite what you are saying it is not true.
Curry and Davis traded from Bulls for Sweetney, Thomas, Knicks 2007 draft pick and the right to swap the pick in 2008. Knicks trade Davis to Raptors for Jalen Rose and Denver's 20th pick. Ty Thomas was selected with the 2nd pick while Balkman was selected with the 20th pick. YOu can hold your breath, have a fit and roll on the ground, you can scream Ty Thomas is god. I don't care but them are the facts. What remains is who both the Knicks and Bulls select with the swap picks. That will be the deciding factor as it currently stand Curry and Balkman are better than Ty Thomas and Mike Sweetney.

Did Isiah make the Curry trade knowing that he could turn Jalen Rose into a draft pick that he knew he could use to specifically get Balkman?

No, so it has nothing to do with that trade. It's ridiculous to just begat parts of trades to see where parts eventually ended up. If that were legitimate then Isiah should be fired based solely on the Marbury trade since the Suns ended up using that cap room to sign a 2 time MVP.

Isles you can't use it when it suits your case and not use it when it doesn't. He didn't intend to send them lottery picks but that was part of the trade. The Bulls selected Marcus Alderidge and traded him for Ty Thomas where they have to give up a second round pick to Portland. So are you saying we shouldn't include Ty Thomas as part of the trade. You can't piece out trades that way to fit it like you want. If you don't piece out trades that way then you are being one sided and bias.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by nixluva:

Posted by TrueBlue:

I find at least 12 legitimate guys on the list who are centers. I was being generous in taking a few guys away. And Curry has the nerve to be ranked 40th at rebounds per48 from that same list.

Tonight he had 5reb

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-09-2007 9:41 PM]

Going back and forth with you on this one stat is not what this thread is about. The thing is that Curry is a LEGIT Center and his game is a focal point for our offense. We can build this team around him and what he does well. He has a lot to improve on, but the guys biggest contribution will always be on the offensive side. He doesn't have to be a perfect player, he just has to be effective for this team and I believe he will. I believe he's just beginning to realize his impact and how good he is.

We have him and IMO Balkman to show for that trade. This year we'll give them our pick and hopfully it won't be #1 or #2. If that's the case then I still believe this will come out in our favor.

Of course you do.

A few post back in this same thread he said


Nixluva

04-09-2007 3:39 PM Show Profile Reply with Quote I still think the combination of potential talent will be in the Knicks favor. Tyrus and this years pick vs. Curry, Balkman and their Pick. If they end up with #1 or #2, then it's a landslide for Chicago. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

Please don't use the teams current records as any measure of the value of the trade. Chicago is well ahead of us in their team development. It will take us time to get to the point that they're at. Tyrus isn't THE reason that they are as good as they are.


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He doesn't keep a track of what he says and post purely off emotion. If he'd step back and take a deep breath, instead of his programmed defend my relative's team responses, he'd probably contribute quality to this board instead of quantity. I've never seen someone contradict himself as much as he does in a matter of minutes.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-09-2007 11:27 PM]