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O.T Imus call Rutgers womens team NAPPY HEADED HOES
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misterearl
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4/7/2007  7:51 PM
>>As far as blacks go, I respected the way they were back in the 60's way more than now. They chose peaceful protest and ignoring ignorant white hate rather than taking advantage of their rights and repeating the same mistakes as we did.

As far as Whites go, I respected the way they were back in the 60's way more than now. They chose to bare their honest feelings and enforce them with the municipal storm troopers in Birmingham, Montgomery and Jackson, Mississippi. They chose to squash illegal dissent (such as the right to vote) and voice their hatred with clarity and violent action, rather than hiding behind a microphone and broadcasting their ignorance through syndication.

Those were the good old days.
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4/7/2007  7:53 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Solace:

If your entire post was a definition, then fine, I misread your intention with your post. I thought you were actually responding to my post, rather than providing some definition on something that didn't apply. Sorry that you're angry, but next time post something useful.
Please! You misread my post and then tell me how to post? Do a better job reading. And if you don't find it useful, why not take your own advice and not respond at all?
Anyway, Mr. Snippy Dictionary, it's clear you don't like me, which I have gotten the vibe from you on other occasions, so why even respond to me at all?
nice, so now you graduate to name calling. Mr. Snippy Dictionary? And please! You think I care enough about what you write on an online forum? Just because I disagreed and had heated debates with you about Eddy Curry I am not supposed to like you? I would have to hate 90% the forum if that was the case. But ok. I now see how you misunderstand/judge people so I am going to make a conscious effort to ignore your posts.

Based on what you quoted and what you wrote, I thought you meant something different. I responded to that implication. You then quoted me a dictionary definition and misquoted what I was referring to, which had nothing to do with the definition. You were also very rude about your response as if I had insulted your family, your dog and your very being. I appreciate the confusion that I arose, but giving me the benefit of the doubt would've been nice. It would have been nice to have been given the benefit of the doubt as to what I meant, so yes I'm a little flustered at that. To avoid further confusion and misrepresentation of what I wrote, I now have deleted my post altogether. I just feel like you lose your cool with me a lot when you actually bother responding to me. I guess why I figure you don't like me, was another time I made what I felt was an obvious joke towards you and you went off on me. If you want to ignore my posts in the future, that's up to you. You usually do anyway.
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4/7/2007  7:55 PM
It should be up to Rutgers womens basketball team if Imus keeps his job or not.

I want to hear his tone when he said it, it was probably funny as hell.
But you can't just call women NAPPY HOES on national TV. What was he thinking.

Him calling them Nappy headed would have caused controversy but it would have died out. Him calling them nappy headed HOES is probably whats going to get him fired.
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4/7/2007  7:59 PM
>>I want to hear his tone when he said it, it was probably funny as hell.

newyorkknew - sho' you right... it was a scream... but it wasn't as funny as when he called your mother a nappy headed ho on national radio.

that was hilarious
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4/7/2007  8:02 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

Nope.


I'd rather you inform me, since you obviously think I'm not informed despite the fact one of my best friends used to be black, I once played for the Juniour KNicks leage being the ONLY white guy, and I took a "Race Matters" course in college.


Oh...........and I'm not a bigot, and I also believe that in this day and age, skin color has only 20% effect on what kind of person someone is. I think family (whatever that is for you), WHERE you live, genetics, pop culture, and the decisions EACH INDIVIDUAL makes is more important, way more.


So no, I think I'll put down my bat.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 04-07-2007 7:41 PM]

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 04-07-2007 7:42 PM]


FYI Bobs "my best friend is black" = I am a closeted racist

But thats right everyone he took a Race Matters course in college so surely he must be the most racially tolerant individual around.

Like getting back to what Imus is he a complete neanderthal? I've heard a few of comments over the years the man is a complete hatemonger and because this hate speech resonates with other closeted hatemongers or openly hatemongers he stays on the air. Real impressive Imus because of course the whole racist act is completely orginal. Guys like him and his ability to get big ratings is why this country's intellectual level is almost rock bottom among developed nations.

[Edited by - bitty41 on 04-07-2007 8:08 PM]
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4/7/2007  8:03 PM
Posted by misterearl:

>>As far as blacks go, I respected the way they were back in the 60's way more than now. They chose peaceful protest and ignoring ignorant white hate rather than taking advantage of their rights and repeating the same mistakes as we did.

As far as Whites go, I respected the way they were back in the 60's way more than now. They chose to bare their honest feelings and enforce them with the municipal storm troopers in Birmingham, Montgomery and Jackson, Mississippi. They chose to squash illegal dissent (such as the right to vote) and voice their hatred with clarity and violent action, rather than hiding behind a microphone and broadcasting their ignorance through syndication.

Those were the good old days.



haha.


this whole discussion is bull**** anyway caz it'll either end in a brawl or everyone shutting up.

and i dont think you can have it anyother way, b/c talk is cheap, specially when you're not getting anywhere.



and i really don't need to back up what im saying, seeing as how your own "black community" is already doing it themself by trying to ban the N word...


which of course the "black community" has done a bangup job keeping alive throughout the years.
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4/7/2007  8:05 PM
bitty - c'mon, you must know that anyone who received anything more than a "C" in the race matters class is an expert on the matter.

I hope they taught the significant of James Brown and George Clinton the the lineage of Global Music and the panultimate contribution of Oscar Robertson to Indiana high school basketball.

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[Edited by - misterearl on 04-07-2007 8:06 PM]
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4/7/2007  8:07 PM
bobs - you don't get it. It ain't worth fighting for.

Dying for maybe. but not fighting.
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4/7/2007  8:32 PM
Posted by misterearl:

>>I want to hear his tone when he said it, it was probably funny as hell.

newyorkknew - sho' you right... it was a scream... but it wasn't as funny as when he called your mother a nappy headed ho on national radio.

that was hilarious

That reminds me of a story when I was a little kid. I was playing fake wrestling with these 3 other kids 2 on 2 tag team. While we were doing fake wrestling other kid (my opponent) was accusing us of cheating and got real mad and said something about my mom. So we ended up fighting and I rocked the kids jaw. He then ran home, his mom called the cops, and I went in to the police station. It wasn't fair either because they only took the other kid (who happend to be white) side and didn't even care to hear what my side was. They didn't even ask me what happend. Just had to throw that it. So after everything was said and done I told my mom that I beat him up only because he said something negative about her. She told me well you beat him up and then got in trouble by the police. She said "couldn't you just say something about his mom instead of beating him up". So knowing my personality now since that time if he would have called my mom a nappy headed hoe. I doubt I would have tried to get him fired or I wouldn't have tried to fight him. But I would have found a way to get to him and break him down by ripping him with jokes of my own.
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4/7/2007  9:07 PM
If Imus said these comments around his kitchen table with only friends and family around no one would be outraged, but he said it on air where about 70 cities recieves and listens to his syndicated show.

This IMHO shows his lack of integriety and unprofessionalism , but maybe in his mind he believes people who think like he does are the only ones who listens to his show and won't feel offended.
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4/7/2007  9:15 PM
^ oh shutup.


Stern does it too.

So do Opie and Anthony.


It's called shock jock.
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4/7/2007  9:27 PM
http://mediamatters.org/static/video/imus-rose-20070404.wmv


Listen to it yourselves and Billy Packer "faggedout" comment
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4/7/2007  10:00 PM
Its crazy to read some of the things said by misterearl and bobs. Quite disturbing.

I'm requesting that this thread be locked cuz I believe this thread is officially out of hand.

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4/7/2007  10:37 PM
The First Amendment protects every American's right to freedom of speech. It doesn't protect racists' high-paying media jobs.

This was the issue when Rush Limbaugh made his infamous ESPN comments about Donovan McNabb a few years ago. It wasn't Limbaugh's freedom to express himself that was at issue, it was an all-sports network's willingness to be associated with his race-baiting tactics. ESPN was not.

Speech is free. Neither Imus nor Limbaugh, however, speaks for free. The rest of us have the freedom to object when something hateful and ignorant is said in such a public forum.

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4/7/2007  11:47 PM
Hey Eny, I was thinking about it over dinner and I think I was a little harsh in my reaction to your initial post. I've just been in a bad mood lately. Sorry about that. Hope we're still cool. My apologies.
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4/8/2007  12:09 AM
Posted by playa2:

The First Amendment protects every American's right to freedom of speech. It doesn't protect racists' high-paying media jobs.

This was the issue when Rush Limbaugh made his infamous ESPN comments about Donovan McNabb a few years ago. It wasn't Limbaugh's freedom to express himself that was at issue, it was an all-sports network's willingness to be associated with his race-baiting tactics. ESPN was not.

Speech is free. Neither Imus nor Limbaugh, however, speaks for free. The rest of us have the freedom to object when something hateful and ignorant is said in such a public forum.

That's not true. The 1st Amendment only applies to state actors (i.e., the gov't), it has nothing to do with private entities.
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4/8/2007  1:33 AM
I'm not a fan of Imus, the sentiments he expressed, or the words he chose, but I must say, to my unlearned ears, the phrase he used sounds like he's parodying "hood talk," for lack of a better term.

This is not to defend him in the least, but such expressions are to be diminished or removed from our culture shouldn't their dissolution begin within the black community immediately - particularly the more media intensive and influential elements of it - like mainstream music, comedy and film?

I can't speak deeply about what goes on in "the hood," or anywhere else in the "black community" outside of the middle-classish and integrated friends that I have, but I can tell you amongst the whites that I know, very few refer to women of ANY race as "hoes" and "b!tches".

So I have to say I feel that some are trying to have it both ways when they say it's a fireable offense for one race to say such things against another, but have little complaint when said routinely by someone of the same race.

For instance, how often do you hear a prominent Jewish lawyer call another a "sneaky shyster"? Very rarely, and when it does happen I suspect the Jewish community would be the first to reprimand him. They keep that shyt buttoned up. But let's imagine that they didn't, and it became commonplace for prominent Jews to call each other racial slurs in the lucrative media (which they often own, like the movie biz) such that it became hip or popular (again, for lack of better terms,) who could not expect other races to hop in to join the fun and be part of the hip crowd? Imagine if people like Ben Stiller, Jerry Steinfeld, David Schwimmer, and other prominent Jewish actors and business people called each other "shyta's" and referred to their women as "sluts". Anyone doubt that talk would propagate and become commonplace.

And this is what happens when "nappy headed hoes" talk is propagated BY BLACKS in the popular media of music, TV comedy and film.

Sure the mistereals, Tavis Smileys, Barack Obamas, etc of the world would never publicly call that basketball team "nappy headed hoes," but can you say the same for Wanda Sykes, Chris Rock, 50cent, and a zillion other folks out there who are setting the tone for what is acceptable in popular culture?
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4/8/2007  1:40 AM
^ I have to say, that's an excellent post, BlueSeats. I was on the phone with my father earlier, and we were talking about this. He had a very similar view. He also doesn't believe Imus is a racist (he actually listens to Imus; I don't) and thinks he just made a poor choice of words. Now he actually works as a teacher (retired, now substitute) in various public schools and hears a lot of what you're talking about from time to time. He agrees with you: if people are so offended by this type of talk, then nobody should be saying it. But, it is in every rap song, even when I turn on the Playstation, some video game is going to have this language in it. Not a very good example if it's something that people shouldn't be saying.
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4/8/2007  1:35 PM
The 1st Amendment only applies to state actors (i.e., the gov't), it has nothing to do with private entities.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Where in the First Amendment does it say that it doesn't apply to private entities?
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4/8/2007  1:41 PM
Posted by Solace:

^ I have to say, that's an excellent post, BlueSeats. I was on the phone with my father earlier, and we were talking about this. He had a very similar view. He also doesn't believe Imus is a racist (he actually listens to Imus; I don't) and thinks he just made a poor choice of words. Now he actually works as a teacher (retired, now substitute) in various public schools and hears a lot of what you're talking about from time to time. He agrees with you: if people are so offended by this type of talk, then nobody should be saying it. But, it is in every rap song, even when I turn on the Playstation, some video game is going to have this language in it. Not a very good example if it's something that people shouldn't be saying.

I agree that black mainstream media is often times a culprit in the continuation of sexist, racist and self-defeatist ideology. The repetition of these stereotypes reaches a very young audience, incapable of filtering and evaluating this information.

Nevertheless, Imus's comments aren't significantly mitigated even if we accept that they were an attempt at parody. Whether aimed at reforming black media or (more likely) only for comedy, he chose a poor and ineffective vehicle in which to do either. Alternatively, he might have ridiculed a specific instance of "hood talk," like a 50 cent song, and delineated those intentions at the outset. Instead, he failed to target a specific source and took an obscure approach that accomplished only one thing - insulting an innocent population of black women everywhere. The juxtaposition of "nappy headed" and "hoes" makes it seem that he believes there is a natural correlation. While the agency of his comment isn't absolutely clear, the sequence of terms from "tattoos" to "rough girls" to "nappy headed hoes" that came without further clarification steers me to conclude that he agreed with those statements. And the connotations of the word "hoes," or prostitutes, in comparison with "crafty," are considerably worse irrespective of subtleties in interpretation. At worst, "crafty" implies deceiving people for personal/monetary benefit whereas "ho" implies a deserved outcast status, where these women are being "used" and should be "used" due to their worthlessness.

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