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I've noticed that Balkman is not being criticized for anything he did last night. Is it because?
He played with great heart and does not deserve criticism?
He is white
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the people who think balkman is white are probably white. i don't know any white people who think jesus was black. basketball jesus, thats another story.
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kam77 - wasn't the hair of Jesus described as "nappy" in The Bible?

I wonder what Imus and his followers would have to say about that.

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Does that mean that Jesus was ugly?

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the people who think balkman is white are probably white. i don't know any white people who think jesus was black. basketball jesus, thats another story.

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For those who still don't understand, this thread had nothing to do with whether Balkman is white. It had to do with the correlation between hustle play and a lack of criticism. The point was that Lee's hustle, rather than his color, is the major reason for his lack of criticism. Just as it is for Balkman and Q.
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Posted by codeunknown:

For those who still don't understand, this thread had nothing to do with whether Balkman is white. It had to do with the correlation between hustle play and a lack of criticism. The point was that Lee's hustle, rather than his color, is the major reason for his lack of criticism. Just as it is for Balkman and Q.

Exactly.
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Posted by codeunknown:

For those who still don't understand, this thread had nothing to do with whether Balkman is white. It had to do with the correlation between hustle play and a lack of criticism. The point was that Lee's hustle, rather than his color, is the major reason for his lack of criticism. Just as it is for Balkman and Q.

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What does poking fun at people who said that Lee gets a pass because he is white has to do with that idiot Imuss or whatever his name is spouting off on his radio show?

Shock jockeys say a lot of horrible things. Remember when Opi and Anthony made fun of the Tsunami/Asians and got kicked off the air. This guy will probably go down in flames as well. Gimmie the Greek had his career canned because he said black athletes are superior to white athletes because they have been bred for athletic qualities during slavery. This is far worse and does not even have a tinge of rationality to it.

Lumping all non black people talking about something that has to do with color into one group is pretty damn racist as well.
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4/8/2007  12:27 PM
Remember when Opi and Anthony made fun of the Tsunami/Asians and got kicked off the air.

Actually, that was the Hot 97 Morning Show that did that, they had a rap and everything but they weren't kicked off the air. Opie and Anthony got kicked off for having a Sam Adams promotion where people had sex in public, including St. Patrick's Cathedral if I'm not mistaken.
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Posted by joec32033:
Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Well, I agree that the fans didn't criticize Balkman because he's white, but you also gotto consider that the lighting may affect the look of his skin pigmentation just a little bit, and I don't think fans realize that Balkman is probably not giving his full effort to change this, and therefore, he definitely needs to be yelled at a lot more. He's really a softy in my eyes for this.

Interesting point, let's see what SAS has to say about this. I'm sure he will be ranting.

I also noticed that Jamal and Q haven't been criticized for faking their injuries today. They must have undergone that radical "turn me white" surgery I've heard so mucha bout.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-05-2007 12:54 PM]

I know you're trying to be "funny" here, but you come across like an Uncle Tom, duke. The posts I have read from you concerning racial issues have been interesting to say the least.

Labeling someone on a thread that is so overtly framed as a joke-especially since there was a thread not two weeks ago about Lee not being criticized because he is white:http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=20837&page=1 is just ridiculous. Especially because some of your opinion was arguably controversial with some of the stuff you said on the Lee thread about him being white:

Posted by sebstar:
Posted by Bippity10:

"breaking news" People root for a player because of his color. I love the way we argue over the obvious. There are a lot of white people that like David because he is white. So what.

People of color have every right to feel suspicious and question what they believe to be race based favoritism given that this is a white male dominated society, the foundation of which is built largely off of racism.

I'm not going to veer this thread into a different direction, but to shrug your shoulders and say "so what" is a very white thing to do.

Its so common to see black players attached with the label of lazy and having "a low b-ball IQ". Black and White players are definitely viewed through different prisms by the media and the fans which is what SAS is referencing.

SAS is right to raise the issue. Perhaps he is wrong and off base on this particular issue, but he is right in raising what he believes to be a double standard. I appreciate SAS's black male perspectives, they are a much needed counterbalance. Shame that some people are intimidated by it, and feel he "plays the race card" (whatever the hell that means). Guess that is easier to say than engaging in mature dialogue.


Is Chris Rock a racist? He says overtly outrageous stuff about Whites, Blacks, Mexicans. Carlos Mencia? Eddie Murphy?-He hit up Sicilians pretty hard about 20 years ago. Richard Pryor?

[Edited by - joec32033 on 06 April 2007 20:03]

Thats the thing, I dont find racism, or apologists of racists, to be all that humorous. In any event, as far as your Chris Rock comment goes, Blacks have been the victims of racism not the other way around. It seems as though the trend lately is to turn racism into a white man burden. Do you think a rape victim and a rapist would be given the same latitude in a public forum if both were giving a symposium on sexual assaults?
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4/8/2007  2:47 PM
Posted by sebstar:

Thats the thing, I dont find racism, or apologists of racists, to be all that humorous. In any event, as far as your Chris Rock comment goes, Blacks have been the victims of racism not the other way around. It seems as though the trend lately is to turn racism into a white man burden. Do you think a rape victim and a rapist would be given the same latitude in a public forum if both were giving a symposium on sexual assaults?


What about falsely accused rapists?

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Posted by VCoug:
Remember when Opi and Anthony made fun of the Tsunami/Asians and got kicked off the air.

Actually, that was the Hot 97 Morning Show that did that, they had a rap and everything but they weren't kicked off the air. Opie and Anthony got kicked off for having a Sam Adams promotion where people had sex in public, including St. Patrick's Cathedral if I'm not mistaken.

I wasn't going to respond but no one corrected you. So I responded since I remember the incident well...


'Tsunami Song' fallout: 3 suspended, 2 fired

By David Hinckley, New York Daily News

February 2, 2005

Hoping to quell the storm over its "Tsunami Song," WQHT yesterday fired morning-show producer Rick Del Gado, who created the song, and morning-team member Todd Lynn, who cracked on the air, "I'm gonna start shooting some Asians."

But Hot-97 did not meet the demands of some critics and fire the rest of the Miss Jones morning show, which aired the parody for four days last month.

Miss Jones, DJ Envy and production assistant Tasha Hightower will all be suspended for two weeks, said the station. They have been off since last Wednesday.

Reaction from critics was swift yesterday and not all favorable.

"Their statement is a joke," said City Councilman John Liu (D-Queens). "They need to fire Miss Jones, but even more important, they need to accept corporate responsibility."

Noting that Hot-97 pledged a million dollars to tsunami relief, Liu said, "That's a joke, too. It should be $10 million. They said employees will donate a week's pay to relief funds. Fine. So they should donate a week of corporate profits."

Hot-97's statement yesterday cited Del Gado for the song and Lynn for "offensive, racially insensitive comments," calling them "singularly egregious."

Miss Info, the other member of the morning team, was not suspended, though she also has been off the air since last week. Miss Info, who is Asian, said on the air that the song offended her - which sparked the heated exchange during which Lynn made his "shooting" remark.

Racial banter and exaggeration are not uncommon on morning shows, but critics said Lynn went way over the top.

The "Tsunami Song" itself, set to the tune of "We Are the World," has been blasted for use of racial slurs and for making light of tsunami victims.

Kai Yu of the group Asian Media Watch called Hot-97's actions yesterday "a start," but said they fall short of "full accountability ... all the way up to the people who approved this going on the air."

Liu said further protest actions are planned: "We're only getting started."

Several Hot-97 advertisers temporarily withdrew after the initial controversy.

"The actions of the morning show were socially and morally indefensible," said Emmis President Rick Cummings. "The entire Emmis family is ashamed. Our decision ... sends a message that this type of insensitivity is utterly unacceptable."

Jay Smooth, whose HipHopMusic.com has been bulldogging the case and has recorded a half-million hits, had a sharp E-mail exchange yesterday with Lynn, who told Smooth that his on-air remarks were "taken out of context."

In the exchange, Lynn called the episode "one of the biggest mistakes of my life," describing the song as "very poor taste and bad judgment."

But, he added, "None of us are bigots."

Meanwhile, Miss Info will co-host an Asia Relief Fund Benefit on Saturday at Capitale on the Bowery with rapper Jin, who recorded a track blasting Hot-97.


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4/9/2007  10:48 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by codeunknown:

For those who still don't understand, this thread had nothing to do with whether Balkman is white. It had to do with the correlation between hustle play and a lack of criticism. The point was that Lee's hustle, rather than his color, is the major reason for his lack of criticism. Just as it is for Balkman and Q.

Exactly.


Dude this is the funniest post in the history of posts. I even had a guy call me an Uncle Tom. Is it me or has my point been proven by this and the David Lee thread. Some people will find a way to turn anything into a race issue no matter what. SAS made an issue out of nothing and increased his ratings because half the world is looking for something to be outraged about even if the situation isn't outrageous. It's tabloid tv and radio and everyone on this site bought into it because "that's what we are supposed to do".

Live your life, stop toeing the company line and you will ultimately feel alot better about yourself. Sebstar I grew up in the ghetto. I now do rather well for myself. I did speeches all year long to black organizations on university campuses throughout New England. I try to teach one thing. The most important way to become happy with who you are and feel strength in "your blackness" is to have faith in your own individuality. Question all leadership. Whether it's the government, the university or our black leaders. Question it all. Critique it all. If you critique and agree with it fight for that. IF you critique and disagree, fight for that. The worst thing we do is hide and not give our own point of view and beliefs because we don't want to stray away from the "black way of thinking". Our way of thought is as diverse as anyone. It's just a shame that we have so many people trying to stifle that thought and keep it in a box. Always teaching you to play the victim and follow their path.

My father worked his asse to the bone. He made no money for decades becasue of racism. Then one day he caught a break(called continue to work hard and don't make excuses even if they are valid) and started doing well for himself. He continued to bust his balls and outdo every expectation that was laid in front of him by whites and blacks. In the span of 15 years he went from pulling in 7 bucks an hour and not being able to support us, to a six figure salary and an executive position. He was called an uncle tom countless times during his climb by the people in the neighborhood. My brother and I were cracked on many times as well. Thankfully I chose to follow my father's way of doing things instead of following the path that everyone else said that I should follow.

Racism is everywhere. It's not going to change. It's not going away. It's on every continent in the planet. Every race on every continent hates another for some reason or other. You can give in to it and search for it everywhere. Or you can acknowledge it, teach others how to handle it and be who you are regardless of what other people say.

Now honestly I don't beleive any of the crap I wrote above. What I believe is that from now on, when I decide to think for myself on an issue, I will think twice. Compose myself. Keep my mouth shut. And then try to think how Sebstar would view that issue and then follow accordingly. If I'm unsure I will contact him via e-mail and have him tell me how to think properly to fit into his vision of how black people are supposed to think. He obvioulsy has it figured out. He knows how black people are supposed to behave and how they must think and I need to realize that anytime I step out of this little box and try to step away from this form of mental slavery I need to be brought back into the fold. Because thinking like everyone else is obviously the only way black people can get ahead.

If you search you can find countless obvious signs of racism. I do not feel the David Lee situation was one until the media decided to lead the rest of us sheep down that path. He was loved, like Balkman because he played hard. Now we have people trying to disparage him and question his every move because it is now viewed as a race issue. He isn't really hurt. He is faking it. He's a lazy player that is beign propped up because of his whiteness. That's the new cry. I refuse to go down this path. I refuse to be led by our media that feeds off of this stuff. And instead will go to battle any day of the week with warriors like Balkman and Lee and Q and Jamal. And for sayign I feel it is perfectly okay for a black person to like a black player and a white person to like a white player I was called an uncle tom. We've come a long way in this coutnry.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-09-2007 10:52 AM]
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Reading Bip story reminded about the new uncle Ben that was revealed to protray a successful African American chairman.

Uncle Ben, who first appeared in ads in 1946, is being reborn as Ben, an accomplished businessman with an opulent office, a busy schedule, an extensive travel itinerary and a penchant for sharing what the company calls his "grains of wisdom" about rice and life.


[Edited by - pharzeone on 09-04-2007 11:09 AM]
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Another important thing to do is meet someone face to face and talk to them like a man before you judge them. Obvioulsy difficult for some of you to do. Good luck with that.
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Posted by Bippity10:

Another important thing to do is meet someone face to face and talk to them like a man before you judge them. Obvioulsy difficult for some of you to do. Good luck with that.

Bip, do not get me wrong. I am not judging you but your story reminded me of this story that I came across last week about reshaping America image of black persona. And Ben was a reference that was brought up to illustrate this. I am not commenting about but your story. You are not alone with that attitude in the AA community and I find it interesting that America has taken notice.
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4/9/2007  11:21 AM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by codeunknown:

For those who still don't understand, this thread had nothing to do with whether Balkman is white. It had to do with the correlation between hustle play and a lack of criticism. The point was that Lee's hustle, rather than his color, is the major reason for his lack of criticism. Just as it is for Balkman and Q.

Exactly.


Dude this is the funniest post in the history of posts. I even had a guy call me an Uncle Tom. Is it me or has my point been proven by this and the David Lee thread. Some people will find a way to turn anything into a race issue no matter what. SAS made an issue out of nothing and increased his ratings because half the world is looking for something to be outraged about even if the situation isn't outrageous. It's tabloid tv and radio and everyone on this site bought into it because "that's what we are supposed to do".

Live your life, stop toeing the company line and you will ultimately feel alot better about yourself. Sebstar I grew up in the ghetto. I now do rather well for myself. I did speeches all year long to black organizations on university campuses throughout New England. I try to teach one thing. The most important way to become happy with who you are and feel strength in "your blackness" is to have faith in your own individuality. Question all leadership. Whether it's the government, the university or our black leaders. Question it all. Critique it all. If you critique and agree with it fight for that. IF you critique and disagree, fight for that. The worst thing we do is hide and not give our own point of view and beliefs because we don't want to stray away from the "black way of thinking". Our way of thought is as diverse as anyone. It's just a shame that we have so many people trying to stifle that thought and keep it in a box. Always teaching you to play the victim and follow their path.

My father worked his asse to the bone. He made no money for decades becasue of racism. Then one day he caught a break(called continue to work hard and don't make excuses even if they are valid) and started doing well for himself. He continued to bust his balls and outdo every expectation that was laid in front of him by whites and blacks. In the span of 15 years he went from pulling in 7 bucks an hour and not being able to support us, to a six figure salary and an executive position. He was called an uncle tom countless times during his climb by the people in the neighborhood. My brother and I were cracked on many times as well. Thankfully I chose to follow my father's way of doing things instead of following the path that everyone else said that I should follow.

Racism is everywhere. It's not going to change. It's not going away. It's on every continent in the planet. Every race on every continent hates another for some reason or other. You can give in to it and search for it everywhere. Or you can acknowledge it, teach others how to handle it and be who you are regardless of what other people say.

Now honestly I don't beleive any of the crap I wrote above. What I believe is that from now on, when I decide to think for myself on an issue, I will think twice. Compose myself. Keep my mouth shut. And then try to think how Sebstar would view that issue and then follow accordingly. If I'm unsure I will contact him via e-mail and have him tell me how to think properly to fit into his vision of how black people are supposed to think. He obvioulsy has it figured out. He knows how black people are supposed to behave and how they must think and I need to realize that anytime I step out of this little box and try to step away from this form of mental slavery I need to be brought back into the fold. Because thinking like everyone else is obviously the only way black people can get ahead.

If you search you can find countless obvious signs of racism. I do not feel the David Lee situation was one until the media decided to lead the rest of us sheep down that path. He was loved, like Balkman because he played hard. Now we have people trying to disparage him and question his every move because it is now viewed as a race issue. He isn't really hurt. He is faking it. He's a lazy player that is beign propped up because of his whiteness. That's the new cry. I refuse to go down this path. I refuse to be led by our media that feeds off of this stuff. And instead will go to battle any day of the week with warriors like Balkman and Lee and Q and Jamal. And for sayign I feel it is perfectly okay for a black person to like a black player and a white person to like a white player I was called an uncle tom. We've come a long way in this coutnry.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 04-09-2007 10:52 AM]

Good post, Bippity10. That is the tough part about being black in America. The reality is that racism is alive and well and if you doubt it, you are fooling yourself. But at the same time, you have to just rise above that racism and do your job and excel. Is it fair, no? But life isn't fair and no matter how hard it is for black people today it is but a small hurdle compared to what our forefathers went through. Don't make excuses, find solutions.
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Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

Another important thing to do is meet someone face to face and talk to them like a man before you judge them. Obvioulsy difficult for some of you to do. Good luck with that.

Bip, do not get me wrong. I am not judging you but your story reminded me of this story that I came across last week about reshaping America image of black persona. And Ben was a reference that was brought up to illustrate this. I am not commenting about but your story. You are not alone with that attitude in the AA community and I find it interesting that America has taken notice.

I guess I'm just not understanding your point. Maybe it's going over my head.

My problem is with guys like Sebstar. I can guarantee we could sit down and talk about 100 topics facing black america today and agree on 90%. But the 10 where we disagree constitutes the makings of an uncle tom. Now since we have never met and have never discussed 100 topics facing black america today he has determined my whole thought process, belief system and way of life based on the discussion of one or two topics. I may be wrong but to me that isn't well thought out, logical thought. It's jumping to conclusions and generalizing anyone that does or doesn't agree with your point of view. Not sure how that thought process differs from your typical everyday racist.
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Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Bippity10:

Another important thing to do is meet someone face to face and talk to them like a man before you judge them. Obvioulsy difficult for some of you to do. Good luck with that.

Bip, do not get me wrong. I am not judging you but your story reminded me of this story that I came across last week about reshaping America image of black persona. And Ben was a reference that was brought up to illustrate this. I am not commenting about but your story. You are not alone with that attitude in the AA community and I find it interesting that America has taken notice.

I guess I'm just not understanding your point. Maybe it's going over my head.

My problem is with guys like Sebstar. I can guarantee we could sit down and talk about 100 topics facing black america today and agree on 90%. But the 10 where we disagree constitutes the makings of an uncle tom. Now since we have never met and have never discussed 100 topics facing black america today he has determined my whole thought process, belief system and way of life based on the discussion of one or two topics. I may be wrong but to me that isn't well thought out, logical thought. It's jumping to conclusions and generalizing anyone that does or doesn't agree with your point of view. Not sure how that thought process differs from your typical everyday racist.

This same topic (about blacks overcoming racism and not using it as an excuse)was discussed at summit where the Uncle Ben story was brought up. At first I didn't understand the connection until I read what they did with the Uncle Ben character. He was remade this year or last year. He is now a self made black man who rose above racism to become a chairman. The question at the summit was how do you feel about this. And the response was interesting while some felt that it was a great move by Mars, Inc. (parent company) to reshape the image of one of the most negative images that were held in black america. While others actually found this "new Ben" more racist than the "Uncle Ben" since it now assumes that this how a AA should be respresented in America. That being successful defines what all black culture is trying to achieve. I just found your story interesting as it related to that summit.

[Edited by - pharzeone on 09-04-2007 11:47 AM]
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