Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by TMS:

this team was barely mediocre even w/all its players healthy... we have mismatching parts that don't fit well together... that's the reason we're losing games... we need to balance out the team & create an identity... if we're going to be an inside out team, we need to focus on putting our guys who can play that style the best in more significant roles... if we're going to be a guard dominated perimeter scoring team, then we need to get rid of the lumbering guys who can't run the floor & bring in more shooters.

In other words we might be closer to needing to start over again or at the very least, Far Removed from a finished product.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 04-02-2007 11:46 AM]

i think it's going to be tough, but we have some of the pieces in place already that can succeed if the plan is to build around Curry... let's focus on who on this team knows how to make a low post entry pass first of all:

D Lee
Malik
Jamal
Mardy
Q Rich

then you have a guy like Balkman that can play any style because his game is all about hustle & effort, & he's a good rebounder & finisher on putbacks... Morris is still a question mark cuz he hasn't had a chance to prove anything yet, but he's not making anything anyway so he stays obviously... then you have Cato & Turd, who contrary to what you may want to believe, both are good complements to Curry's game because both can block some shots for you & add some size & physicality to the frontcourt... the problem w/Turd is the contract he's making, but it is what it is now & that can't be helped.

what we are left w/are the players that don't match well w/a Curry based team... i'll refer to this as the "Jenny Craig" list, because they represent all the fat this team needs to trim in order to attain some semblence of team balance & continuity:

Marbury (more of a pick & roll scoring PG)
Francis (too much of a freelancer)
Nate (lots of heart, but way too undisciplined)
Frye (not a good defender/shotblocker/rebounder for his size, 3 things you obviously need in a bigman playing next to Curry... plus has that deer in the headlights look about him & is about as soft as it gets when it comes to NBA players)
Jefferies (his defensive game is not nearly good enough to warrant his lack of production on the offensive end)

obviously Francis is going to be bought out in all likelihood, so that's 1 off that list we won't have to worry about anymore... trading Marbury is the key... will Isiah ever admit the experiment has failed & go in a new direction? not likely, but if he's willing to do it, i think there will be an opportunity to trade him for some cap filler & maybe a pick from MIN that could come in very useful sometime down the road, especially if it's done in combination w/trading Frye, Nate & Jefferies in a package... all that along w/Isiah's drafting skills & an intelligent MLE value signing for once like Stevenson or Pietrus for example, can definitely bring in some players this team lacks in order to achieve some team balance - namely a shotblocker/low post defender & perimeter shooting G/SF who can guard guys on the perimeter to give this team some depth to counteract Q Rich's questionable health status going forward... i've been really impressed by what i've seen out of Mardy Collins in the past couple games, & he's shown that he's disciplined on both ends of the floor & has a good command of basketball fundamentals... i'd like to see him get more of a role on this team going forward if we're going to stick w/the build around Curry plan.

Posted by Bippity10:

TMS although I agree with your point of view I am here to tell you that you need to becoming accepting of the fact that Isiah will not trade Stephon.

like i said, if that's the case, then we need to trade Curry & bring in a bigman who can run the floor & play off the pick & roll.

Posted by Bippity10:

TMS although I agree with your point of view I am here to tell you that you need to becoming accepting of the fact that Isiah will not trade Stephon.

Don't you know they are twin-brothers.
And Eddy it their Big Brother. And Jeffries is theis agly brother...

We need to stop looking at this team based on whether we make the playoffs or not. If we make the playoffs does it really change who we are? We need to make changes regardless. We could have made line-up changes. We could have not suffered 3 injures at the same time. We could have shown more energy and won some earlier games taht we choked away. Marbs could have bought on early and helped us to win a game or two more. Many things could have happened but it wouldn't change the fact that we aren't a good team right now and need to make changes.

Posted by Allanfan20:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bippity10:

TMS although I agree with your point of view I am here to tell you that you need to becoming accepting of the fact that Isiah will not trade Stephon.

like i said, if that's the case, then we need to trade Curry & bring in a bigman who can run the floor & play off the pick & roll.

TMS although I agree with your point of view I am here to tell you that you need to become accepting of the fact that Isiah will not trade Stephon or Curry.

That's really funny and really true and really depressing at the sam. You are a sage Bip.

And you my friend are a parsley

Your guess is of course as good as mine. But as Allanfan said I am a sage. I just think a combination of salary and untold promises by Isiah will keep marbs here for a while. As for Curry unless he punches Isiah, he ain't going anywhere for a loooooooooooong time.

Posted by Bippity10:

Your guess is of course as good as mine. But as Allanfan said I am a sage. I just think a combination of salary and untold promises by Isiah will keep marbs here for a while. As for Curry unless he punches Isiah, he ain't going anywhere for a loooooooooooong time.

how about if we send islesfan to punch Isiah while wearing a Marbury mask? that way we kill 2 birds w/1 stone.

dj is just used to the higher level of discourse that occurs on the much beloved New York Times Forum.

^Always read the fine print.