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Re-evaluate the Curry trade


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I just want to see where the forum is now. To get Eddy and the Bulls' pick (23rd right now) and Antonio Davis, we gave up the 2nd pick in the 2006 draft, another likely lottery pick, 2 early 2nd round picks, and 2 expiring contracts. From the Knicks' perspective, the trade was
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holfresh
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4/3/2007  10:37 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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I really like that group of players i know jack is never going to be unreal but i liked his size and leadership and the fact that he led his team to the title game. And in the situation i would have taken bynum because if you gamble and lose, fine your not on the hook for anything but a draft pick and you only hurt yourself you don't help anyone.....

Would have gone Marcus as well just because of his ball skills, Lowry a close second. Balkman does fit the suns, but so did lowry and they went ahead and signed banks so i think he is there at 29. He in all honesty is one of the few reasons to watch a game.......

Get point isles, i brought that up the other day, and the fact that if we still had ariza around instead of francis we could be a championship team soon and everyone of course was up in arms and fails to realize there would be cap relief coming, young talent from winning programs maturing together and free agents coming up like Lebron, Wade and I believe bosh or even kg once he opts out.

You build a unit of unselfish high energy talented kids good things happen.

I'm not saying that that team could challenge for the title in a few years although if they all progress as much as people think it would be a pretty good team, but that was what was possible. I didn't even get into the Marbury mistake.

If Isiah wasn't too busy Starphucking us we could have had a ton of young up and coming talent, some of which, in addition to the cap space we would have had, could have been used to acquire the real franchise player that we desperately need.

The bottomline is that bad teams that are rebuilding (Isiah went from "you can't rebuild in NY" to "we're in a slow painful rebuilding process") should NEVER trade high first round picks and take on salary. Isiah has traded away 4 high first round draft picks (3 in a 4 year period).

Who are these coveted picks Isiah traded away?




He traded SEVEN picks to get Marbury and lazy Eddy

OK...Who are they?..

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4/3/2007  10:43 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by MS:

I really like that group of players i know jack is never going to be unreal but i liked his size and leadership and the fact that he led his team to the title game. And in the situation i would have taken bynum because if you gamble and lose, fine your not on the hook for anything but a draft pick and you only hurt yourself you don't help anyone.....

Would have gone Marcus as well just because of his ball skills, Lowry a close second. Balkman does fit the suns, but so did lowry and they went ahead and signed banks so i think he is there at 29. He in all honesty is one of the few reasons to watch a game.......

Get point isles, i brought that up the other day, and the fact that if we still had ariza around instead of francis we could be a championship team soon and everyone of course was up in arms and fails to realize there would be cap relief coming, young talent from winning programs maturing together and free agents coming up like Lebron, Wade and I believe bosh or even kg once he opts out.

You build a unit of unselfish high energy talented kids good things happen.

I'm not saying that that team could challenge for the title in a few years although if they all progress as much as people think it would be a pretty good team, but that was what was possible. I didn't even get into the Marbury mistake.

If Isiah wasn't too busy Starphucking us we could have had a ton of young up and coming talent, some of which, in addition to the cap space we would have had, could have been used to acquire the real franchise player that we desperately need.

The bottomline is that bad teams that are rebuilding (Isiah went from "you can't rebuild in NY" to "we're in a slow painful rebuilding process") should NEVER trade high first round picks and take on salary. Isiah has traded away 4 high first round draft picks (3 in a 4 year period).

Who are these coveted picks Isiah traded away?




He traded SEVEN picks to get Marbury and lazy Eddy

OK...Who are they?..


You must not be a Knicks fan if you don't know the particulars of the trades that brought Marbury and Curry here.
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4/3/2007  11:18 PM
In the Steph trade we gave the Suns the rights to Milos Vujanic and Maciej Lampe as the only young players in the deal and 2 future 1st rd. picks.

2004 draft I see we gave Utah a 1st rd pick which they used on Kirk Snyder #16

2005 Phx gave Cleve the 1st rd pick #13 which they then gave to Charlotte for Sean May
We took Frye at #8
We got the #21 pick from Phx, which they got from Chicago, for Nate Robinson.
We got the #30 pick from Phx, which they got from SA, for David Lee
We gave Phx our 2nd rd pick #54, which we got from Houston, for Dijon Thompson.

2006 we gave Chi our top pick #2, which they sent to Portland for Tyrus Thomas.
We got #20 from from Denver for Balkman and #29 from SA for Mardy Collins.

I don't know what that all means, but in the end I think we did OK. We ended up with 5, 1st rd picks and Curry a TRUE post up Center. A player that wasn't going to be available in the draft.
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4/4/2007  9:28 AM
Isiah falls short in two areas, but mostly just lacking the brain power and vision not to jump on a deal.....

Baron Davis, Tyson Chandler both were had without giving up draft selections just expiring contracts

Isiah always gives up too much or offers picks, player options or draft kickers
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4/4/2007  9:56 AM
You could argue that the trade gets better the deeper this draft gets. There are going to be so many good players that it really won't matter that we have the Bulls pick instead of our own. Especially considering that Isiah takes wild-card type players.
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4/4/2007  9:56 AM
It's almost worth another poll..."What's a better deal: Eddy Curry for four draft picks (two lottery) and two expiring contracts or Ty Chandler for an expiring contract?"
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4/4/2007  10:19 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's almost worth another poll..."What's a better deal: Eddy Curry for four draft picks (two lottery) and two expiring contracts or Ty Chandler for an expiring contract?"

To me it's not even close. I prefer a guy like Curry, cuz he gives us that presence inside on offense that is hard to find. When I watch other games, I rarely see anyone who commands so much attention from the defense. Not on just about every possession. Once we add the perimeter shooting we need and IF Curry can improve on his passing out of the post, this will make us a lock for the playoffs every year and who knows maybe even a title run.

Looking at Chandler and Curry, it's a shame that they were separated, cuz playing how they play right now, it's clear they were an AWESOME combination if they could've gotten them to play at the levels they are now. I can still imagine Curry with someone next to him like Chandler, even if it's off the bench. We'll see if Isiah can make that happen or if Morris can give us a bit of that next year.
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4/4/2007  10:22 AM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's almost worth another poll..."What's a better deal: Eddy Curry for four draft picks (two lottery) and two expiring contracts or Ty Chandler for an expiring contract?"

To me it's not even close. I prefer a guy like Curry, cuz he gives us that presence inside on offense that is hard to find. When I watch other games, I rarely see anyone who commands so much attention from the defense. Not on just about every possession. Once we add the perimeter shooting we need and IF Curry can improve on his passing out of the post, this will make us a lock for the playoffs every year and who knows maybe even a title run.

Looking at Chandler and Curry, it's a shame that they were separated, cuz playing how they play right now, it's clear they were an AWESOME combination if they could've gotten them to play at the levels they are now. I can still imagine Curry with someone next to him like Chandler, even if it's off the bench. We'll see if Isiah can make that happen or if Morris can give us a bit of that next year.

chicago follows a different philosphy - defense first. that's why curry was usually on the bench in the 4th quarter of games. and chicago fans will be the first to tell you that a curry/chandler frontcourt didn't work. curry started with AD when they made the playoffs, not chandler.
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4/4/2007  10:49 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by Bonn1997:

It's almost worth another poll..."What's a better deal: Eddy Curry for four draft picks (two lottery) and two expiring contracts or Ty Chandler for an expiring contract?"

To me it's not even close. I prefer a guy like Curry, cuz he gives us that presence inside on offense that is hard to find. When I watch other games, I rarely see anyone who commands so much attention from the defense. Not on just about every possession. Once we add the perimeter shooting we need and IF Curry can improve on his passing out of the post, this will make us a lock for the playoffs every year and who knows maybe even a title run.

Looking at Chandler and Curry, it's a shame that they were separated, cuz playing how they play right now, it's clear they were an AWESOME combination if they could've gotten them to play at the levels they are now. I can still imagine Curry with someone next to him like Chandler, even if it's off the bench. We'll see if Isiah can make that happen or if Morris can give us a bit of that next year.

chicago follows a different philosphy - defense first. that's why curry was usually on the bench in the 4th quarter of games. and chicago fans will be the first to tell you that a curry/chandler frontcourt didn't work. curry started with AD when they made the playoffs, not chandler.

I know it didn't work, but i'm saying that the way they're both playing right now it seems to me that they could be a hell of a combo. Aren't we advocting putting someone just like Chandler next to Curry? On our team that seems like it would work. A rebounder/shotblocker. Chicago is a very nice team and they do play a great team game. They can defend very well, but I still feel that they gave up too soon on those guys.
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4/4/2007  10:52 AM
Maybe, but Thomas replacing chandler for half the cost, and Curry and his bad attidude and poor work ethic were not looked at favorable, as was crawfords selfish play so you get them out of town and stick to it
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4/4/2007  11:59 AM
need a rebounder shotblocker at both the 4 and 3 to balance out the Curry effect
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4/4/2007  12:07 PM
Posted by McK1:

need a rebounder shotblocker at both the 4 and 3 to balance out the Curry effect

we already have a 3 who can rebound & block shots in Balkman... we need to draft Sean Williams to come off the bench at the 4 (unless Morris can play as a 4 & block some shots?)

[Edited by - TMS on 04-04-2007 12:08 PM]
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4/4/2007  12:27 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by McK1:

need a rebounder shotblocker at both the 4 and 3 to balance out the Curry effect

we already have a 3 who can rebound & block shots in Balkman... we need to draft Sean Williams to come off the bench at the 4 (unless Morris can play as a 4 & block some shots?)

[Edited by - TMS on 04-04-2007 12:08 PM]

That's the questions right now. Just what can we get out of Morris next year? I hope that he can be a tougher inside PF than Frye and maybe even block some shots. He's already not really known as a STRONG rebounder, but then we do have Lee. As long as he's a decent rebounder i'll take that. I expect that Morris will get to the line a lot. I can see that about him. He knows how to draw contact. Maybe Isiah can find a shotblocker who slips out of the draft. Sometimes guys get overlooked cuz they don't have enough all around skills.
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4/4/2007  12:43 PM
Balkman is NOT a shotblocker. He's a hustle player who will hustle his butt off and as a reward, get a shotblock now and then, but he's not an intimidator who will keep people out of the paint.

Sean Williams is known to have a piss poor work ethic with an even worse attitude. Great talent. Bad personality to have on the team.
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4/4/2007  12:46 PM
you can not win in this league with specialists at 2 frontcourt positions. you need 2-way players. you have to have guys that can score AND defend. you can get away with one specialist in the frontcourt, but that's it.
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4/4/2007  12:51 PM
Not only that, but it's hard to have more than one specialist on the entire team, on the court. It's just too hard to make up for certain things. I can understand you get one guy who does nothing but play defense and rebound, and another who just scores and passes, but look.....

Dlee, exceptional rebounder, not a particularly good defender, decent passer, not a good scorer besides when finishing off people's passes.

So you got a eh whatever defender in Lee and then:

Curry: sucks at defense, rebounding, passing, DOMINANT scorer in all ways in the low post.

That's called a poor defending frontcourt. One of the guys has to go if they are both gonna be starters.
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4/4/2007  3:38 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Balkman is NOT a shotblocker. He's a hustle player who will hustle his butt off and as a reward, get a shotblock now and then, but he's not an intimidator who will keep people out of the paint.

Sean Williams is known to have a piss poor work ethic with an even worse attitude. Great talent. Bad personality to have on the team.

what SF's are intimidators in the paint? Josh Smith... anyone else? Balkman blocks shots, so he's a shotblocker.
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4/4/2007  3:55 PM
Balkman can block shots but he's not a shotblocker.
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4/4/2007  4:06 PM
Balkman is a shotblocker dude, he always blocks shots when he plays minutes, Wade is a shotblocker, Marion is a shot blocker, etc.

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4/4/2007  4:07 PM
Balkman at his position is an effective help defender shotblocker. I think if he was getting 20+ mpg he would avg about a block a game.
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