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holfresh
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3/4/2007  11:40 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Curry most definitely isn't a franchise player. One dimensional scorers are never franchise players. In My eyes, he's Ron Mercer if Mercer played against garbage at his position almost every night.
That's a great comparison. I've said for a while he's a C version of somewhere between Hubert Davis and Allan Houston. I think you named the kind of man I was thinking of! Sad part is we gave up four draft picks (2 lottery) for our Ron Mercer.

That's actaully a silly comparison...Curry has teams game plan for him..Curry has team double and triple team him...Curry and put this team on his back and carried them at some points this season...Curry has out played Shaq and Zo in the same game...That's a little different than what Ron Mercer had to offer...How you think this is a good comparison is beyond me...
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3/4/2007  11:58 AM
Holfresh, you have to agree that Curry needs to stop playing soft on defense. I can't understand a guy that is determine to score can become so soft on defense. That is mindset. He has let his stamina and foul issues get in his head where he thinks that he can't pick up cheap defensive fouls. I mean he doesn't even try to assert himself on the defensive end much anymore. I think Curry could a much better player than what he is now.
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3/4/2007  12:08 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Curry most definitely isn't a franchise player. One dimensional scorers are never franchise players. In My eyes, he's Ron Mercer if Mercer played against garbage at his position almost every night.
That's a great comparison. I've said for a while he's a C version of somewhere between Hubert Davis and Allan Houston. I think you named the kind of man I was thinking of! Sad part is we gave up four draft picks (2 lottery) for our Ron Mercer.

That's actaully a silly comparison...Curry has teams game plan for him..Curry has team double and triple team him...Curry and put this team on his back and carried them at some points this season...Curry has out played Shaq and Zo in the same game...That's a little different than what Ron Mercer had to offer...How you think this is a good comparison is beyond me...

Teams game plan for the Knicks, not Curry. They know that the Knicks offense revolves around getting Curry the ball and when he gets doubled he's turnover prone and can't pass. The smart thing to do is double him to get them out of their offense.

When has Curry put this team on his back and carried them the way Starbury did last night?

Zaza Pachulia just outplayed Curry. Do you want to make a big deal out of that too?

All Mercer did was score soft points that rarely led to wins. That's what Curry does. What's the problem?
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3/4/2007  12:15 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Curry most definitely isn't a franchise player. One dimensional scorers are never franchise players. In My eyes, he's Ron Mercer if Mercer played against garbage at his position almost every night.
That's a great comparison. I've said for a while he's a C version of somewhere between Hubert Davis and Allan Houston. I think you named the kind of man I was thinking of! Sad part is we gave up four draft picks (2 lottery) for our Ron Mercer.

That's actaully a silly comparison...Curry has teams game plan for him..Curry has team double and triple team him...Curry and put this team on his back and carried them at some points this season...Curry has out played Shaq and Zo in the same game...That's a little different than what Ron Mercer had to offer...How you think this is a good comparison is beyond me...

Teams game plan for the Knicks, not Curry. They know that the Knicks offense revolves around getting Curry the ball and when he gets doubled he's turnover prone and can't pass. The smart thing to do is double him to get them out of their offense.

When has Curry put this team on his back and carried them the way Starbury did last night?

Zaza Pachulia just outplayed Curry. Do you want to make a big deal out of that too?

All Mercer did was score soft points that rarely led to wins. That's what Curry does. What's the problem?

You started the thread about Curry soft points against Miami and he made you eat your words..He was clearly dominant...He hasn't dominated every game but he has had his flashes...Doubling and triple Curry isn't game planning for him???..When Curry is out the game, do they double the other Knick in the post?
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3/4/2007  12:29 PM
Devils Advocate: Just like the opposition game plans to stop Curry, they also gameplan to go right at him and score on him the on other end of the court.
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3/4/2007  12:29 PM
It's silly to try and ignore the impact that Curry is having for this team this year. It's clear that he's become the focal point of the offense and is going to be the franchise player for this team as we move along. As i've said tho, it's not just about him. He's gonna need help much as Ewing did. You have to have that other All Star type player or two that will make it all work. SO Curry is "A" Franchise player on this team, along with Steph and maybe Lee will be that other guy, who knows.
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3/4/2007  12:34 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Devils Advocate: Just like the opposition game plans to stop Curry, they also gameplan to go right at him and score on him the on other end of the court.

Which is true much like Lee..I think teams game plan to go at Lee more than anyone else..Really I'm not trying to start anything...Do you not see this...
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3/4/2007  12:40 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Devils Advocate: Just like the opposition game plans to stop Curry, they also gameplan to go right at him and score on him the on other end of the court.

Which is true much like Lee..I think teams game plan to go at Lee more than anyone else..Really I'm not trying to start anything...Do you not see this...


I understand you're not trying to start anything but you're expecting my answer to change from the other 1000 times you've asked me this. I've said before that Lee isn't doing a very good defensive job, but even though he's not doing a good job, he's still TRYING to do a good job. The next time Curry jumps for a rebound, it'll be the first time. For the 10000th time Holfresh, if you work hard, you are going to get a pass, if I see Lee slacking off and his defense is still bad, I will then get on him, but I don't see that happening.

There is a reason this team is -10 points worse when Lee is off the court and +0.7 when Curry is off.
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3/4/2007  12:49 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Curry most definitely isn't a franchise player. One dimensional scorers are never franchise players. In My eyes, he's Ron Mercer if Mercer played against garbage at his position almost every night.
That's a great comparison. I've said for a while he's a C version of somewhere between Hubert Davis and Allan Houston. I think you named the kind of man I was thinking of! Sad part is we gave up four draft picks (2 lottery) for our Ron Mercer.

That's actaully a silly comparison...Curry has teams game plan for him..Curry has team double and triple team him...Curry and put this team on his back and carried them at some points this season...Curry has out played Shaq and Zo in the same game...That's a little different than what Ron Mercer had to offer...How you think this is a good comparison is beyond me...


You're right; they come into the game knowing that it's a "free turnovover" if you double Eddy. They didn't come into the game with that plan for Mercer. I was obviously being too harsh on Ron.
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3/4/2007  5:18 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Devils Advocate: Just like the opposition game plans to stop Curry, they also gameplan to go right at him and score on him the on other end of the court.

Which is true much like Lee..I think teams game plan to go at Lee more than anyone else..Really I'm not trying to start anything...Do you not see this...


I understand you're not trying to start anything but you're expecting my answer to change from the other 1000 times you've asked me this. I've said before that Lee isn't doing a very good defensive job, but even though he's not doing a good job, he's still TRYING to do a good job. The next time Curry jumps for a rebound, it'll be the first time. For the 10000th time Holfresh, if you work hard, you are going to get a pass, if I see Lee slacking off and his defense is still bad, I will then get on him, but I don't see that happening.

There is a reason this team is -10 points worse when Lee is off the court and +0.7 when Curry is off.

I'm not sure what question you are answering from my many post but it certainly not the one that I just ask...The question was do you think teams game plan to take the ball directly at DLee?..I think they do...
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3/4/2007  8:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Devils Advocate: Just like the opposition game plans to stop Curry, they also gameplan to go right at him and score on him the on other end of the court.

Which is true much like Lee..I think teams game plan to go at Lee more than anyone else..Really I'm not trying to start anything...Do you not see this...


I understand you're not trying to start anything but you're expecting my answer to change from the other 1000 times you've asked me this. I've said before that Lee isn't doing a very good defensive job, but even though he's not doing a good job, he's still TRYING to do a good job. The next time Curry jumps for a rebound, it'll be the first time. For the 10000th time Holfresh, if you work hard, you are going to get a pass, if I see Lee slacking off and his defense is still bad, I will then get on him, but I don't see that happening.

There is a reason this team is -10 points worse when Lee is off the court and +0.7 when Curry is off.

I'm not sure what question you are answering from my many post but it certainly not the one that I just ask...The question was do you think teams game plan to take the ball directly at DLee?..I think they do...

Teams go straight to the basket without any hesitation from the opening tip.

Curry starts.

Lee doesn't.

You make the call.
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3/4/2007  8:38 PM
Teams don't really score most of their points on us in the paint. That's just a perception. We have more trouble guarding perimeter shooters. Despite all this back and forth, the team has a Center now that is dominant enough for teams to HAVE to double and triple team him. Even then he's still putting up numbers against most teams. Don't go using Zaza last night as some barometer for how effective Curry is, cuz that was just an off game for Curry. You could see that clearly he didn't have the burst of energy he usually has.

I think it's a shame that the 1st REAL bigman we've had since Ewing and we can't appreciate what he means to this team. This guy is what is separating us from many of the teams in the East. We all know steph is a Key player for this team, he's already at his max potential, whereas Curry is just coming into his best basketball. As usual there are a lot of Knick fans who are just devoid of any kind of patience or understanding when it comes to the young players on this team. Other players on other teams can have loads of potential but not our young players. Freakin incredible
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3/4/2007  9:22 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Teams don't really score most of their points on us in the paint. That's just a perception. We have more trouble guarding perimeter shooters. Despite all this back and forth, the team has a Center now that is dominant enough for teams to HAVE to double and triple team him. Even then he's still putting up numbers against most teams. Don't go using Zaza last night as some barometer for how effective Curry is, cuz that was just an off game for Curry. You could see that clearly he didn't have the burst of energy he usually has.

I think it's a shame that the 1st REAL bigman we've had since Ewing and we can't appreciate what he means to this team. This guy is what is separating us from many of the teams in the East. We all know steph is a Key player for this team, he's already at his max potential, whereas Curry is just coming into his best basketball. As usual there are a lot of Knick fans who are just devoid of any kind of patience or understanding when it comes to the young players on this team. Other players on other teams can have loads of potential but not our young players. Freakin incredible

Want a tissue to dry those tears?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03-04-2007 9:25 PM]
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3/4/2007  9:27 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by nixluva:

Teams don't really score most of their points on us in the paint. That's just a perception. We have more trouble guarding perimeter shooters. Despite all this back and forth, the team has a Center now that is dominant enough for teams to HAVE to double and triple team him. Even then he's still putting up numbers against most teams. Don't go using Zaza last night as some barometer for how effective Curry is, cuz that was just an off game for Curry. You could see that clearly he didn't have the burst of energy he usually has.

I think it's a shame that the 1st REAL bigman we've had since Ewing and we can't appreciate what he means to this team. This guy is what is separating us from many of the teams in the East. We all know steph is a Key player for this team, he's already at his max potential, whereas Curry is just coming into his best basketball. As usual there are a lot of Knick fans who are just devoid of any kind of patience or understanding when it comes to the young players on this team. Other players on other teams can have loads of potential but not our young players. Freakin incredible

Want a tissue to dry those tears?

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 03-04-2007 9:25 PM]

Hey are you FOR this team or AGAINST it! It's not about me. I'm talking about the team having players a fan can get behind, so what are you talking about?
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3/4/2007  9:29 PM
Posted by nixluva:

Hey are you FOR this team or AGAINST it! It's not about me. I'm talking about the team having players a fan can get behind, so what are you talking about?

LOL. Relax dude, I was kidding around. Chill out a minute and relax.
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3/4/2007  9:30 PM
Ive never noticed other teams trying to go at lee because they think he's a bad defender. I've seen it with frye and curry though.
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Isn't a Franchise player supposed to carry their team?

Dwight Howard seems to be doing a great job of it of late. Eddy has no excuses... NUN!!!
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Posted by TMS:
Isn't a Franchise player supposed to carry their team?

Dwight Howard seems to be doing a great job of it of late. Eddy has no excuses... NUN!!!

Key words being "of late".

Eddy has never done it.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Isn't a Franchise player supposed to carry their team?

Dwight Howard seems to be doing a great job of it of late. Eddy has no excuses... NUN!!!

Key words being "of late".

Eddy has never done it.
Dwight Howard also doesn't happen to have $120 mil in supporting players. If you gave him a motivated Marbury, Francis, and D Lee, his team would be a lot better than it is now.

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3/5/2007  12:57 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Isn't a Franchise player supposed to carry their team?

Dwight Howard seems to be doing a great job of it of late. Eddy has no excuses... NUN!!!

Key words being "of late".

Eddy has never done it.
Dwight Howard also doesn't happen to have $120 mil in supporting players. If you gave him a motivated Marbury, Francis, and D Lee, his team would be a lot better than it is now.

Seriously, the last 2 wins that have people prematurely ejaculating were because, non PG of the future, Starbury stepped up while Curry disappeared, again.
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