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2/15/2007  8:00 PM
Posted by knicks1248:

why dont midgets hide, Or one arm, one legged humans ect. Really though, what makes being gay right..Please don't say preference..


uhm, because you can't hide the fact that you're a dwarf, or have 1 arm, or 1 leg maybe?

OK, u can probably hide having just 1 leg by getting a prosthetic appendage, which people most oftentimes do btw. So are they ashamed at the fact that they have only 1 leg, or is it done more as a vanity thing so they can blend in better w/the rest of society w/o garnering too much attention to the fact that they only have 1 leg?

& btw, when did i ever say that being gay was right? i may not agree w/that sort of lifestyle or sexual preference, but really what business is it of mine to judge someone for being homosexual? i don't see any homosexual people standing up on soap boxes telling people that being gay is right or forcing their opinions on others by having their morals taught in the classroom, etc. Can't say the same for Christians though, can you? (& i don't say that to downgrade Christianity... my family is very religious... me, not so much though, but that's my own choice at this stage in my life)

[Edited by - TMS on 02-15-2007 8:05 PM]
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2/15/2007  8:21 PM
There not saying there right, there saying except us for who we are..which are people doing the wrong thing.


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2/15/2007  8:31 PM
Adam and Eve... Not Adam and STEVE...

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2/15/2007  8:38 PM
Why did he burn down sodom and gomorrah in the bible because of the heavy amount homosexuality, and other evil that was happening in that city.

sod·om·y /ˈsɒdəmi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sod-uh-mee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
2. copulation with a member of the same sex.
3. bestiality (def. 4).

Sod·om·ite /ˈsɒdəˌmaɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sod-uh-mahyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. an inhabitant of Sodom.
2. (lowercase) a person who engages in sodomy.

Sodomy is not a homosexual, act it is using an orifice other than a Vagina to have sex.

If one condemns a homosexual sex act they will have to condemn all heterosexuals who commit similar acts.

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2/15/2007  8:57 PM
You mean it is not ONLY a homosexual act.
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2/15/2007  8:59 PM
The NBA did the right thing here.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/02/15/bc.bkn.hardawayremarks.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
NEW YORK (AP) -- The NBA banished Tim Hardaway from All-Star weekend in Las Vegas because of his anti-gay remarks. "It is inappropriate for him to be representing us given the disparity between his views and ours," Stern said in a statement Thursday.
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2/15/2007  9:02 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

You mean it is not ONLY a homosexual act.
That's your only response? He made the point that the Bible condemns heterosexual sex just like it does homosexual sex and your response is nitpicking that he left the word "only" out?
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2/15/2007  9:08 PM
You mean it is not ONLY a homosexual act.

Actually, no I don't mean that. Sodomy is an anal or oral sex act. Whether it is between two men is irrelevant and merely an extension of the definition. For instance I have never heard of Lesbians sodomizing each other except with objects, and again, that is irrelevant to gender. So two lesbians who do not penetrate each other in any way are not committing sodomy, but they may be engaging in homosexual sex.

If sodomy is wrong, probably everyone on this board guilty. It is not exclusive to homosexuality by a long shot, in fact it is a different thing altogether.

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2/15/2007  9:11 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

The NBA did the right thing here.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/basketball/nba/02/15/bc.bkn.hardawayremarks.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
NEW YORK (AP) -- The NBA banished Tim Hardaway from All-Star weekend in Las Vegas because of his anti-gay remarks. "It is inappropriate for him to be representing us given the disparity between his views and ours," Stern said in a statement Thursday.

I doubt Stern did it for moral purposes. He probably did it becuase its not smart buisness to upset the gay community.

But yea Tim Hardaway went overboard by saying he hates gay people. I first heard it on the radio last mourning. Up all night with Jason Smith. Smith brought up the point on how Hardaway been on the radio, and all that for yrs. So its not like he was caught off guard especially since its the hot topic of the NBA. That he was probably dieing to say what he said.
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2/15/2007  9:15 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

You mean it is not ONLY a homosexual act.
That's your only response? He made the point that the Bible condemns heterosexual sex just like it does homosexual sex and your response is nitpicking that he left the word "only" out?

We aren't talking about heterosexual sex. Thats not the topic. If you want to go there all sex before you get married is wrong, and if you want to go further than that, even thinking about a women lustfully is adultrey.

We are talking about homosexual sex. And I don't know if he accidentaly left the word only out or not.
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2/15/2007  9:18 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:



Not every variant from the norm is a PERVERSION. That's a highly subjective term.

And while culture may be able to play a role in what some persons experiment with, I don't think you need to fear it converting populations en masse. I suspect most who are gay are so because they just are, innately - NOT because they succumb to outter forces.

Ours isn't the first liberal culture. I'm thinking of the ancient Greeks and Romans, who's cultures were possibly more sexually tolerant than ours. They were also quite powerful, affluent, creative and inventive, and I'd be very surprised if their eventual downfall had anything to do with homosexuality. If anything I'd rather suspect it gave cause to their earlier rise and attainment of power.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 02-15-2007 2:13 PM]

why did the roman empire fall?
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2/15/2007  9:29 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

You mean it is not ONLY a homosexual act.
That's your only response? He made the point that the Bible condemns heterosexual sex just like it does homosexual sex and your response is nitpicking that he left the word "only" out?

We aren't talking about heterosexual sex. Thats not the topic. If you want to go there all sex before you get married is wrong, and if you want to go further than that, even thinking about a women lustfully is adultrey.

We are talking about homosexual sex. And I don't know if he accidentaly left the word only out or not.
If you bring up the Bible, people are gonna call you out if you pick and choose which guidelines you feel are relevant and which you don't. You're the one who thought the Bible was relevant to this topic.
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2/15/2007  9:35 PM
Posted by oohah:
You mean it is not ONLY a homosexual act.

Actually, no I don't mean that. Sodomy is an anal or oral sex act. Whether it is between two men is irrelevant and merely an extension of the definition. For instance I have never heard of Lesbians sodomizing each other except with objects, and again, that is irrelevant to gender. So two lesbians who do not penetrate each other in any way are not committing sodomy, but they may be engaging in homosexual sex.

If sodomy is wrong, probably everyone on this board guilty. It is not exclusive to homosexuality by a long shot, in fact it is a different thing altogether.

oohah

So what you basically have to be concluding to is that God didn't burn down sodom & gomorra for the fact that they were having homosexual acts. And more so that they were just having anal & oral sex all together even with women. There probably was poeple in that city doing those things.

But in the Bible it states that God heard the outcry and sent 2 angles to the city of gomorra. The 2 angels stayed by a man named Lot's place. Then people young and old came to Lots place and told Lot to bring the 2 angels outside so that they could have sex with them. And Lot offerd his 2 daughters instead who have not known men yet. And he said do with them as you see appropriate. But they didn't want the daughters and threatend to storm into Lots house. Thats when the 2 Angels pulled Lot into the house and said that God is about to destroy the village.

Anway im about to go to work. So just read Genisis 19:6-19:7.
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2/15/2007  9:46 PM
bibles and religious doctrine is subjective, and because a document says something neither makes it right or a fact. If that were the case the men who flew planes into our buildings were in perfect right to do so as I'm sure they could support their actions to wipe out the infidels with direct quotes from the Qur'an. Now the Qur'an is believed to be the flawless final revelation of God to humanity, valid until the day of the Resurrection so therefore its justified.

Man has been killing man in the name of god since written history. The symptom that always fuels such behavior is fear. What is the source of the bigotry? Where does that fear come from?

The Bible is a good book, but its not the ONLY book. Those who have found god have are the same who have stopped looking for him. Isnt pride the first of the seven deadly sins?

As for my son or daughter being close or best friends with someone who is gay? My god its their choice. I would have the same concerns over such a relationship as I would if they were best friends with a religious zelot. What if your son was best friends with a Muslim? A Jew? An athiest? Would you tolerate that? Would you be afraid your child might one day say "dad, I thank you for all you have shared with me but I believe the true message of god was revealed through Muhammad."
How afraid? Afraid enough you keep them from such relationships?

Where is the line drawn? Why do people say "its not for me to judge" then do just that?

[Edited by - fishmike on 02-15-2007 9:48 PM]
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Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by oohah:
You mean it is not ONLY a homosexual act.

Actually, no I don't mean that. Sodomy is an anal or oral sex act. Whether it is between two men is irrelevant and merely an extension of the definition. For instance I have never heard of Lesbians sodomizing each other except with objects, and again, that is irrelevant to gender. So two lesbians who do not penetrate each other in any way are not committing sodomy, but they may be engaging in homosexual sex.

If sodomy is wrong, probably everyone on this board guilty. It is not exclusive to homosexuality by a long shot, in fact it is a different thing altogether.

oohah

So what you basically have to be concluding to is that God didn't burn down sodom & gomorra for the fact that they were having homosexual acts. And more so that they were just having anal & oral sex all together even with women. There probably was poeple in that city doing those things.

But in the Bible it states that God heard the outcry and sent 2 angles to the city of gomorra. The 2 angels stayed by a man named Lot's place. Then people young and old came to Lots place and told Lot to bring the 2 angels outside so that they could have sex with them. And Lot offerd his 2 daughters instead who have not known men yet. And he said do with them as you see appropriate. But they didn't want the daughters and threatend to storm into Lots house. Thats when the 2 Angels pulled Lot into the house and said that God is about to destroy the village.

Anway im about to go to work. So just read Genisis 19:6-19:7.

I'm not saying whatever words you put in my mouth nor do I need to read the Bible again. I am just pointing out that the definition of sodomy includes behavior engaged in by all sexual orientations so there must more people feel is wrong with homosexuality than merely the act of 'sodomy', which is not synonymous with a "sex act between members of the same gender".

I recommend all people read the Bible, Old and New Testaments.

I also recommend they read religious and academic tomes that pre-date the bible by 1,000s of years, written by society's that the writers of the Bible did not know existed.

I also recommend they study philosophy and the science of this world that has existed for hundreds of millions of years.

And above all, I recommend that they examine this life for themselves, and decide what is right and wrong on their own, for that type of understanding and morality is higher than merely following instructions.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 15-02-2007 9:52 PM]
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

You mean it is not ONLY a homosexual act.
That's your only response? He made the point that the Bible condemns heterosexual sex just like it does homosexual sex and your response is nitpicking that he left the word "only" out?

We aren't talking about heterosexual sex. Thats not the topic. If you want to go there all sex before you get married is wrong, and if you want to go further than that, even thinking about a women lustfully is adultrey.

We are talking about homosexual sex. And I don't know if he accidentaly left the word only out or not.
If you bring up the Bible, people are gonna call you out if you pick and choose which guidelines you feel are relevant and which you don't. You're the one who thought the Bible was relevant to this topic.

Before I go though

Im picking the guidlines that I feel are relevant for this exact topic. Homosexuality. You guys didn't address what I said about Adam and Eve and yet choose to only correct me because I didn't add that Sodomy is more than just anal sex between the same sex, even though I just copied and pasted what I exactly word for word from the dictionary about it. So I guess it was what the dictionary picked and choose to view. Yet im supposedly getting called out for nit-picking. So if you don't like nit-picking why don't you guys address my whole post then.
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Posted by oohah:
I recommend all people read the Bible, Old and New Testaments.

I also recommend they read religious and academic tomes that pre-date the bible by 1,000s of years, written by society's that the writers of the Bible did not know existed.

I also recommend they study philosophy and the science of this world that has existed for hundreds of millions of years.

And above all, I recommend that they examine this life for themselves, and decide what is right and wrong on their own, for that type of understanding and morality is higher than merely following instructions.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 15-02-2007 9:52 PM]
well said... good words man, thank you

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I'm not trying to put words in your mouth oohah. Im just trying to find out what your reasoning for your post? Like what was the your point. I stated that conclusion because it made the most sense in relating to my post.

Alright im really out to work this time.
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2/15/2007  9:56 PM
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2/15/2007  10:00 PM
i get a kick out of these people who claim that being homosexual is a chosen code of behavior & lifestyle... these people expose their ignorance when they make such comments... homosexuality is no more of a cognitive choice than heterosexuality is... people do not CHOOSE to be homosexual... you either are or you aren't... it is no more of a choice to be gay as it is a choice NOT to be... the way a person's brain processes physical & emotional stimuli & effects their bodily & emotional reactions to that stimuli is what determines whether or not a person is gay or hetero... you don't just wake up 1 day & decide "hmm, think i'll be gay from now on"... sorry, it doesn't work that way people... you don't choose what sex you are attracted to.

by contrast, everyone in this country has the choice & freedom to CHOOSE what religion they follow or what code of ethics they live their lives by... this country was founded by settlers who came here searching for a place where they could practice their religion the way they CHOSE to practice it & escape the persecution for their religious beliefs... today, people are rarely persecuted in this country for choosing to follow a certain religion, & yet by "God's" standards, any one who worships idols or "false gods" are just as much of a sinner as someone who practices homosexuality, if not more so... the 1st Commandment of God to the His children reads:

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before me."

so why are "Christian" people more tolerant of Muslims, Buddhists, Scientologists & other religions in this country than they are of homosexuals? people who bring up what the Bible says when it comes to this discussion seem to have no problem being tolerant of other religions in this country... i find that highly hypocritical... if you don't want to be a Jew, or a Christian, or a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or any other religion, you don't have to follow that religion... you can convert to another religion, or not follow a religion at all... that is everyone's personal choice... you are free to leave a place if you have the means & move yourself to a place where you will be surrounded by more people who share in your own personal belief systems... if you're gay, you do not have this freedom... OK, maybe you can move to San Francisco (jk)... seriously though, you can't escape the fact that you're gay no more than you can escape the fact that you're not gay... people need to realize this & stop exposing their ignorance by saying homosexuality is a cognitive choice of lifestyle & feel threatened that their children will be influenced to be homosexual by being around people that are gay.
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