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bobs3304
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Listen I could just prove that we don't have a franchise player.......but I won't. Caz it's well known. Marbury isn't (never was). Crawford isn't. Curry isn't (and won't be) And of course, the only thing that'll get you into the post season without a franchise player is awesome defense..........and well, that's just not happening. I mean hey I wouldn't mind great defense/no franchise, but its not in the cards. So what do we do? Well we have an owner who runs the show like a corporation, so firing Isiah and trading Curry is out of the question. Now that we've established Isiah and Curry are P-R-E-T-T-Y much staying, the next step is to pick a style of ball: Fast.... or Slow. Ya, I'm gonna go with slow, unfortunately despite the fact most of our team would be good in uptempo. In that case keepers? QRich Marbury Curry Lee (most likely) James Frye Goners? Crawford Nate Why Crawford, huh. Big 52 right. No, wrong. If Curry is your 1 or 2 option, then your going slowball (essentially), therefore less possessions, meaning you need efficient shooting, not streaky jack-em-up stuff. Crawford would be great in Pheonix or Denver where he could just rain free, but that won't work here unfortunately, so he needs out. Atleast IMO. Question is --- what should we be looking for in return? AllStar player NOW? Or through Free Agen. later? Your call..... 'Less of course you'd rather just keep J-Clutch.
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2/12/2007  12:30 AM
Didn't you hear? 24 is the new 23.
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2/12/2007  12:39 AM
Posted by JohnnyBONES:

Didn't you hear? 24 is the new 23.

shutup bitch.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/12/2007  1:25 AM
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Posted by bobs3304:
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Can you answer a question???? YOu posted early that Curry has to be top 5 center and score 25 points with average center stats per game before he is an allstar.
From 2001 until now I'm going to name former allstars, tell me are they Top 5, 7, 10, what ever new bench mark you want to make up.
2 time Allstar Zydrunas Ilgauskas
2 time Allstar Ben Wallace
2 time allstar Brad Miller
Vladie Divac
Antonio Davis

()Yes they were top 5 centers
or
()It's Asnine to say you have to score 25 points and be a top five center because I like to exaggerate when making my "this is my GM to do list"



Ok, lemme add this adendum:


LEARN HOW TO FUCKIN READ TOO.


I said that Curry has to be top 5 in his position to make the All-Star team.

25 ppg would make him a legit franchise player.


Understand the difference?

Still not answering the question??? Fine, I'm still looking forward to the next "Curry and Crawford = Orlando Shaq and Orlando Penny"..... Bwahahahah.

He's saying you have to be top 5 at your position to be an all-star. How can you disagree with that?
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2/12/2007  10:06 AM
Do you see the names I posted, those were top 5 All star centers......... I totally agree.

[Edited by - anji on 02-12-2007 10:07 AM]
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2/12/2007  10:11 AM
They were top 5 in the season that they played in. Otherwise, someone else would have been picked ahead of them. If you want to make a serious argument the list more than 5 centers who you think in the years they were selected to be all-stars were better than them.
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2/12/2007  10:22 AM
They weren't top five centers, they were best Centers at allstar break. Which is different from sending Power Forwards and saying because you aren't top 5 in the league you shouldn't go.
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2/12/2007  11:05 AM
Maybe someone else can explain to me what Anji is saying. I can't figure it out. Sorry.
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2/12/2007  11:18 AM
If YOu don't understand the argument you shouldn't comment. Curry is already a top five center in this confernce. THat is what you are saying, I don't disagree with that. That is not what Bobs is saying, Bobs is saying he has to top five in the league, which is why he named Yao, Stoudimere and Okur as being better even though they are in the west............. you understand????

That would be top ten if you count west and east top five now wouldn't it!!!!! Your one of the best centers at allstar break is the only standard I know about whether you are an allstar or not not. Not scoreing 25 per game and being average at the other stats, not top FIVE IN THE LEAGUE. Clear???

[Edited by - anji on 02-12-2007 11:22 AM]
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2/12/2007  11:40 AM
Posted by Anji:

If YOu don't understand the argument you shouldn't comment. Curry is already a top five center in this confernce. THat is what you are saying, I don't disagree with that. That is not what Bobs is saying, Bobs is saying he has to top five in the league, which is why he named Yao, Stoudimere and Okur as being better even though they are in the west............. you understand????

That would be top ten if you count west and east top five now wouldn't it!!!!! Your one of the best centers at allstar break is the only standard I know about whether you are an allstar or not not. Not scoreing 25 per game and being average at the other stats, not top FIVE IN THE LEAGUE. Clear???

[Edited by - anji on 02-12-2007 11:22 AM]

So the top 5 centers in each conference make the all star team??? Out of 24 players you've got 10 centers???

Usually it's just 2 centers per conference, so you can make a case that 4 out of the top 5 centers in the entire league make the team. If you're just the 5th best center in your conference, I doubt you'd have a chance of being an all star, unless other centers couldn't play and/or the depth at that position is just too great to ignore.

Lately there has been a dearth of quality centers, so being top 5 in the conference isn't saying much. Sometimes players who aren't typically all star types, go because of the lack of quality at a certain position or they have a career year or because more qualified players bow out of the game.
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2/12/2007  11:43 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Anji:

If YOu don't understand the argument you shouldn't comment. Curry is already a top five center in this confernce. THat is what you are saying, I don't disagree with that. That is not what Bobs is saying, Bobs is saying he has to top five in the league, which is why he named Yao, Stoudimere and Okur as being better even though they are in the west............. you understand????

That would be top ten if you count west and east top five now wouldn't it!!!!! Your one of the best centers at allstar break is the only standard I know about whether you are an allstar or not not. Not scoreing 25 per game and being average at the other stats, not top FIVE IN THE LEAGUE. Clear???

[Edited by - anji on 02-12-2007 11:22 AM]

So the top 5 centers in each conference make the all star team??? Out of 24 players you've got 10 centers???

Usually it's just 2 centers per conference, so you can make a case that 4 out of the top 5 centers in the entire league make the team. If you're just the 5th best center in your conference, I doubt you'd have a chance of being an all star, unless other centers couldn't play and/or the depth at that position is just too great to ignore.

Lately there has been a dearth of quality centers, so being top 5 in the conference isn't saying much. Sometimes players who aren't typically all star types, go because of the lack of quality at a certain position or they have a career year or because more qualified players bow out of the game.

Bingo. It's usually top 2 or 3 in each conference or five total in the NBA, a group Curry doesn't belong in until he becomes more than one-dimensional.
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2/12/2007  11:53 AM
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So the top 5 centers in each conference make the all star team??? Out of 24 players you've got 10 centers???

Usually it's just 2 centers per conference, so you can make a case that 4 out of the top 5 centers in the entire league make the team. If you're just the 5th best center in your conference, I doubt you'd have a chance of being an all star, unless other centers couldn't play and/or the depth at that position is just too great to ignore.

Lately there has been a dearth of quality centers, so being top 5 in the conference isn't saying much. Sometimes players who aren't typically all star types, go because of the lack of quality at a certain position or they have a career year or because more qualified players bow out of the game.


Ugh, you totally disagree with the first part of your post with the way it ended and your not even disagreeing with me. YOU don't not have to be a top 5 center in the league and saying you have to be either one or two in each conference is SUBJECTIVE, that's why I would guess BONN1997 said you have to be top 5 as well. Only thing I have said is you don't have to be top five in the league, because the five best centers in the NBA maybe in one league, the starting center is voted in by the fans may not be top 5(shaq) and injuries are all very good reasons why you don't have to be top 5 in the league.......... which none of which I disagree with at all!!!!!
You're one of the best centers at allstar break is the only standard I know about whether you are an allstar or not not. Not scoreing 25 per game and being average at the other stats, not top FIVE IN THE LEAGUE. Clear???



[Edited by - anji on 02-12-2007 11:57 AM]
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2/12/2007  11:59 AM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by islesfan:


So the top 5 centers in each conference make the all star team??? Out of 24 players you've got 10 centers???

Usually it's just 2 centers per conference, so you can make a case that 4 out of the top 5 centers in the entire league make the team. If you're just the 5th best center in your conference, I doubt you'd have a chance of being an all star, unless other centers couldn't play and/or the depth at that position is just too great to ignore.

Lately there has been a dearth of quality centers, so being top 5 in the conference isn't saying much. Sometimes players who aren't typically all star types, go because of the lack of quality at a certain position or they have a career year or because more qualified players bow out of the game.


Ugh, you totally disagree with the first part of your post with the way it ended and your not even disagreeing with me. YOU don't not have to be a top 5 center in the league and saying you have to be either one or two in each conference is SUBJECTIVE, that's why I would guess BONN1997 said you have to be top 5 as well. Only thing I have said is you don't have to be top five in the league, because the five best centers in the NBA maybe in one league, the starting center is voted in by the fans may not be top 5(shaq) and injuries are all very good reasons why you don't have to be top 5 in the league.......... which none of which I disagree with at all!!!!!
You're one of the best centers at allstar break is the only standard I know about whether you are an allstar or not not. Not scoreing 25 per game and being average at the other stats, not top FIVE IN THE LEAGUE. Clear???



[Edited by - anji on 02-12-2007 11:57 AM]

So what are you crying about? That Curry might luck into making an all star team the way Big Z, Miller and Antonio Davis did despite not being a top 5 center in the league?

[Edited by - islesfan on 02-12-2007 12:00 PM]
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NO Im saying next year he'll be a 20/8 center and reguardless if he is in your top 5 in the league, he desevre to make the allstar. Don't tell me he has to go 25 points and 10 boards when Brad millers and Antione Davis of the world have made the team being 12/12 centers.

Stop hating is the gist of what im saying if you didn't get it by now.......

[Edited by - anji on 02-12-2007 12:07 PM]

[Edited by - anji on 02-12-2007 12:08 PM]
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Brad Miller and Antonio Davis made the all star teams because they were on very good teams, there was a lack of depth at the center position and other more qualified centers bowed out of the game.

I agree, if all that happened, Curry would have a chance to go to the all star game. Well aside from being on a very good team, because we all know that would never happen while Isiah was here.
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Posted by Bonn1997:

The right thing to do IMO is to tear it apart, get as many draft picks, young two-way players, and expiring contracts as possible for what we have now and rebuild and around solid, young, versatile 2-way players. Since that won't happen and the only option is to keep re-tooling the roster, I'd say keep Crawford. I don't think you'll get something better than him in return.

right, let's do what the Celtics did... they are enjoying much success these days as a direct result of the brilliant roster moves their GM has made the past few years.
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I bet the Celtics will make it to the finals before we do with the young talent they have and a great pick in this draft, but I have no idea how they even got into this discussion.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The right thing to do IMO is to tear it apart, get as many draft picks, young two-way players, and expiring contracts as possible for what we have now and rebuild and around solid, young, versatile 2-way players. Since that won't happen and the only option is to keep re-tooling the roster, I'd say keep Crawford. I don't think you'll get something better than him in return.

right, let's do what the Celtics did... they are enjoying much success these days as a direct result of the brilliant roster moves their GM has made the past few years.

How much do you want to bet that the Celtics win a playoff series before we do?
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The right thing to do IMO is to tear it apart, get as many draft picks, young two-way players, and expiring contracts as possible for what we have now and rebuild and around solid, young, versatile 2-way players. Since that won't happen and the only option is to keep re-tooling the roster, I'd say keep Crawford. I don't think you'll get something better than him in return.

right, let's do what the Celtics did... they are enjoying much success these days as a direct result of the brilliant roster moves their GM has made the past few years.

How much do you want to bet that the Celtics win a playoff series before we do?

i'll put up a couple rounds of beer at a Knicks game if you want... i have a feeling that team is in for at least another 3-4 years before they even make the playoffs.
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The right thing to do IMO is to tear it apart, get as many draft picks, young two-way players, and expiring contracts as possible for what we have now and rebuild and around solid, young, versatile 2-way players. Since that won't happen and the only option is to keep re-tooling the roster, I'd say keep Crawford. I don't think you'll get something better than him in return.

right, let's do what the Celtics did... they are enjoying much success these days as a direct result of the brilliant roster moves their GM has made the past few years.

How much do you want to bet that the Celtics win a playoff series before we do?

i'll put up a couple rounds of beer at a Knicks game if you want... i have a feeling that team is in for at least another 3-4 years before they even make the playoffs.

It's a bet.

Put Oden or Durant next to Pierce and a blossoming Jefferson to go with their other young pieces and the Celts are a playoff team next year and a playoff series winner the year after.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The right thing to do IMO is to tear it apart, get as many draft picks, young two-way players, and expiring contracts as possible for what we have now and rebuild and around solid, young, versatile 2-way players. Since that won't happen and the only option is to keep re-tooling the roster, I'd say keep Crawford. I don't think you'll get something better than him in return.

right, let's do what the Celtics did... they are enjoying much success these days as a direct result of the brilliant roster moves their GM has made the past few years.

How much do you want to bet that the Celtics win a playoff series before we do?

i'll put up a couple rounds of beer at a Knicks game if you want... i have a feeling that team is in for at least another 3-4 years before they even make the playoffs.

It's a bet.

Put Oden or Durant next to Pierce and a blossoming Jefferson to go with their other young pieces and the Celts are a playoff team next year and a playoff series winner the year after.

& what do i get if the Celtics don't make the playoffs next season as per your prediction?
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