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2/2/2007  3:58 PM
Remember Eddy Curry was grossly out of shape last year, and couldn't play a quarter without getting winded and wasn't there for training camp....

Q was just breaking up with Brandy......

Your rookies had one year under their belt

So having Curry in better shape and Q back to normal and a matured rookie class was going to get you at least 5-8 wins by itself.

So thats about 31 wins just by coaching the same team

This team is a ****ing joke an so is everyone that thinks that this season has produced any positives for the long term growth of the team.....they are in the lottery next year again most likely, and marbury and q could go down at any moment
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2/2/2007  3:59 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Larry brown was so great that the same roster could possibly win more games by the all star break than he had in an entire season....

That's nice. Are the players quitting like they so obviously did last year? Did Marbury miss extended time like he did last year?

34 wins and you'll think this season was a huge success, right?

Yeah, I will admit the players did quit on the coach..But it's always difficult for you guys to admit the coach quit on the team first...It's a block with you guys...But thats cool...

I have always maintained that success is not measured in wins but in progress of the core players and and the team as a whole...Funny thing tho, I remember all those arguments about giving Larry time to teach the game and how success does not come immediately with LB...It takes about three years for the team to learn...But now that LB is gone, number of victories is the measure of success...Got it!!!

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2/2/2007  4:04 PM
Posted by holfresh:



I have always maintained that success is not measured in wins but in progress of the core players and and the team as a whole...Funny thing tho, I remember all those arguments about giving Larry time to teach the game and how success does not come immediately with LB...It takes about three years for the team to learn...But now that LB is gone, number of victories is the measure of success...Got it!!!


I can explain that from my standpoint Holfresh. For me, I wasn't and still am not giving Isiah a clean slate to work with as Head Coach this year. His terrible mismanagement of the Knicks the previous 3 years also plays into my opinion.

Also, I was willing to give Larry the 2-3 seasons necessary to teach the game and get the players he wanted because of his track-record of success within 2-3 seasons with other franchises. Isiah has no track record and no history of successful basketball franchises, the Pacers were a very talented team and lost in the 1st round 3 years in a row. Throw in the fact that Isiah did a bad job in Toronto and the terrible job he's done managing the Knicks franchise and you see why I have short leash. Accept it, throw it away, like it, hate it, that's my viewpoint.
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2/2/2007  4:07 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by islesfan:
Larry brown was so great that the same roster could possibly win more games by the all star break than he had in an entire season....

That's nice. Are the players quitting like they so obviously did last year? Did Marbury miss extended time like he did last year?

34 wins and you'll think this season was a huge success, right?

Yeah, I will admit the players did quit on the coach..But it's always difficult for you guys to admit the coach quit on the team first...It's a block with you guys...But thats cool...

I have always maintained that success is not measured in wins but in progress of the core players and and the team as a whole...Funny thing tho, I remember all those arguments about giving Larry time to teach the game and how success does not come immediately with LB...It takes about three years for the team to learn...But now that LB is gone, number of victories is the measure of success...Got it!!!



Here's the thing Holfresh, the coach is gone and the players are still having a difficult time understanding how to bring it every night. Under the adversity of last year would have been a great time to learn. But unfortunately we said it was okay for the guys to quit because they didn't like the coach and now are suffering throught their bad habits.
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2/2/2007  4:13 PM

And Bip I get that..But it took Detroit 3 to 4 years to figure it out... The fans want to blow it up after 3 months...And it is three month with the new core...You guys want to start when Isiah got here but I took two years to Nuke the joint and get new players...To me this is year one...
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2/2/2007  4:23 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Nyk4ever, please be a man and act like you own a sack...You, Bip,DJ,Mart,Andrew,Nolad,Fish,Allan,Codeunknown,Isle's,MS,Briggs,Blueseats, and the rest of the Larry loving crew wanted Larry to have his pick of players...In your heart of hearts, you knew Larry was the orchestrator on this one...Why is it so difficult to just admit it...Why can't you just say we were wrong to support Larry on this because he is a MADMAN, and wanted players with no rhyme or reason...Is it so hard to say he forced Isiah's hand on this one trade...Doesn't the testosterone in you body compel you to own up to this one...

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-02-2007 1:41 PM]


And the gloves are off. Man, I leave the comp for an hour (have to teach these students who are sitting in these chairs waiting for me to get up off my a** and teach) and this errupts.
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2/2/2007  4:35 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by holfresh:

Nyk4ever, please be a man and act like you own a sack...You, Bip,DJ,Mart,Andrew,Nolad,Fish,Allan,Codeunknown,Isle's,MS,Briggs,Blueseats, and the rest of the Larry loving crew wanted Larry to have his pick of players...In your heart of hearts, you knew Larry was the orchestrator on this one...Why is it so difficult to just admit it...Why can't you just say we were wrong to support Larry on this because he is a MADMAN, and wanted players with no rhyme or reason...Is it so hard to say he forced Isiah's hand on this one trade...Doesn't the testosterone in you body compel you to own up to this one...

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-02-2007 1:41 PM]


And the gloves are off. Man, I leave the comp for an hour (have to teach these students who are sitting in these chairs waiting for me to get up off my a** and teach) and this errupts.


I don't know, I don't remember everyone's position on the trade, but the one guy who I do recall in support of it was oohah. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just ironic in the face of holfresh's misguided assault.

Speaking for myself, I simply never felt Francis was very high on LBs list. There were many rumors preceding the trade of him pursuing guys like Reggie Evans, Earl Watkins, etc, who would have been a better fit. I see Francis as a consolation prize that fit into isiah's model of collecting blocks to build a big tower, otherwise known as buying assets to try to land a big fish.
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2/2/2007  5:24 PM
Posted by fishmike:

yup... easily Isiah's worst move (there are so many to choose from)

If I could have anyone back it would be that one... no brainer

Not if we end up giving up Oden or Durant.
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I don't know, I don't remember everyone's position on the trade, but the one guy who I do recall in support of it was oohah. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just ironic in the face of holfresh's misguided assault.


Dude! Bro! Homez! If you're going to cite me, please be accurate! I PREDICTED that Francis would be traded to the Knicks, I was never like: "Isiah, you better go get Francis!". I was not in support of trading Ariza either, I was one of Ariza's biggest supporters around here even after 9/10'ths of UK had turned on him, similar to the way they have Frye. Long, uber-athletic, team oriented players like Ariza do not grow on trees, and I have always maintained that even a small improvement in Ariza's shot would make him into a pretty good player.

If I recall correctly, my scenarios for Francis were in the vein of: Crawford/Penny for Francis.

However, I did think that a Marbury/Francis backcourt could be formidable, though they are a mismatched pair, because of sheer talent. For instance, the two-legged Francis is unquestionably better than Crawford.

I did not like the motive behind the Francis trade: Brown trying to make the point that he could crush any player on the squad, paired with the motive of trying to oust Marbury in favor of Francis.

Still though, I did not, and would not have a problem with the Francis trade from a basketball standpoint if we had the real Steve Francis, instead of the peg-leg Francis. Because again, that would be better than anything we are putting out there right now, and a high-performing Francis I saw as a vehicle to acquiring Ray Allen, who does fit in well with a Marbury type.

One last thing: I have never really liked Francis' game, but I am rooting for him because he is a Knick, and he has shown some heart as a Knick.

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2/2/2007  6:04 PM
Posted by holfresh:


And Bip I get that..But it took Detroit 3 to 4 years to figure it out... The fans want to blow it up after 3 months...And it is three month with the new core...You guys want to start when Isiah got here but I took two years to Nuke the joint and get new players...To me this is year one...

You keep saying you guys. Over and over with the you guys. Stop lumping and pay attention to who is writing what. Geez, it's around and around with you. Not once have you heard me say blow it up. My constant them in every post is for us to decide on a friggin plan. I say the same thing over and over how do you miss it. One more time for you.

I want our GM to decide on his core to build around and do it. If that core is not here right now than you do everything in your power to make moves that bring that core here. If that core consists of Curry and Lee than every move should be made to find players that compliment that core. If some of those guys are on the roster today, than great. But those that don't fit need to be replaced with guys that do. That should be our focus and not trying to make the 8th seed. Every year making the 8th seed is our focus at the expense of our young players. And if you don't think this is correct you can look no further than the Ariza/Francis trade.

Where the disconnect is between you and me. Is you constantly make it out to be Isiah vs. Brown. To me it's not about them. It's not their team. It's the Knicks. And the Knicks organization made this trade because we refuse to find a GM/coach combination that can make moves TOGETHER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE TEAM. Instead our organization and lack of a philosophy led to a competition between coach and GM which led to this trade that did not fit our long-term goals. This has been a theme through Chaney/Layden, Isiah/chaney, Isiah/Lenny, and Isiah/Brown. Every year we watch our GM and coach on opposite planets and every year it's new for 75% of this site. Last year was the first time we made a move for a guy that didn't fit any type of plan. Give me a break. Maybe I'm just a stronger individual. I don't toot my own horn but apparently that must be what it is. IF I have a plan, and someone tells me to deviate, if their plan makes no sense, I don't deviate. No matter how much they whine I stick with my plan.

For you it's constantly Isiah vs. Brown. For me it's about the GODDARN KNICKS. That's who I root for. That's where I want changes. I don't root for my GM or coach and can care less who makes us better. If its' Isiah god bless him. I just want someone to stop with the same tired mistakes and rebuild this thing already without making excuses about whose fault bad moves are. This constant finger pointing and blaming is the entire reason why your team stinks. One day you will get this and that's when you will say ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, that's what Bip was talking about.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-02-2007 6:12 PM]
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2/2/2007  6:07 PM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by holfresh:

Nyk4ever, please be a man and act like you own a sack...You, Bip,DJ,Mart,Andrew,Nolad,Fish,Allan,Codeunknown,Isle's,MS,Briggs,Blueseats, and the rest of the Larry loving crew wanted Larry to have his pick of players...In your heart of hearts, you knew Larry was the orchestrator on this one...Why is it so difficult to just admit it...Why can't you just say we were wrong to support Larry on this because he is a MADMAN, and wanted players with no rhyme or reason...Is it so hard to say he forced Isiah's hand on this one trade...Doesn't the testosterone in you body compel you to own up to this one...

[Edited by - holfresh on 02-02-2007 1:41 PM]


And the gloves are off. Man, I leave the comp for an hour (have to teach these students who are sitting in these chairs waiting for me to get up off my a** and teach) and this errupts.

This is where Holfresh is wrong. Not sure how he reads my posts and thinks that I ever want a coach to have his pick of the players. I want a coach/GM with the same philosophy who are on the same page. Then they will make the pick of players TOGETHER AS A TEAM. I don't want a GM building one type of team and then hiring a coach that wants another type of team.

Where do you get this nonsense from.

It does not matter who made the trade. The trade was made by THE KNICKS and it was an awful, meaningless, pointless trade that had nothing to do with any type of organizational philosophy, on court style or compliment to a star. It was a trade to take the heat of the team and save a job for a day.
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Balkman is another example. Not a horrible pick at 20. He will be a better overall player than some picked ahead of him. He will definitely have some role on some team at some time. But why did we pick Balkman??

We picked him because on that day of the draft we didn't have one defensive player(amazing but true). So we desperately needed a defensive player in order to help us win games. So instead of making a pick like a rebuilding team and finding the best player to compliment our current "franchise player" Eddie Curry, or find a new franchise player. We instead acted like a team competing for a title and drafted based on current need. we then did the same thing with our MLE. What is the plan?

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-02-2007 6:27 PM]
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2/2/2007  7:17 PM
Hey Bip- We are definitely in agreement when it comes to the Knicks. They need to stop all this half-a** stuff and lay down a blueprint and stick to it 100%. If they are rebuilding (which is what they should be doing) every move made by the Knicks should be geared towards rebuilding. a 29 yr old francis made absolutely no sense.

Over the past month and a half, Curry has emerged as the focal point (notice I didn't say franchise). If this is the new blueprint, every move should made to build with Curry and compliment his game, shot-blockers, rebounders, perimeter defenders and shooters, and game closers.....

With that said, the idea that Isiah is the blame fort everything wrong with the Knicks is getting old. Yes, Isiah has made ton of mistakes, which I have pointed out more than a few times. But the support that Brown gets on this board (not saying you Bip) is a bit over the top. I understand he has a good track record, but he set this franchise back even further. There is no question in my mind that Francis wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Brown.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 02-02-2007 7:19 PM]
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2/2/2007  8:24 PM
Posted by oohah:
I don't know, I don't remember everyone's position on the trade, but the one guy who I do recall in support of it was oohah. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just ironic in the face of holfresh's misguided assault.


Dude! Bro! Homez! If you're going to cite me, please be accurate! I PREDICTED that Francis would be traded to the Knicks, I was never like: "Isiah, you better go get Francis!". I was not in support of trading Ariza either, I was one of Ariza's biggest supporters around here even after 9/10'ths of UK had turned on him, similar to the way they have Frye. Long, uber-athletic, team oriented players like Ariza do not grow on trees, and I have always maintained that even a small improvement in Ariza's shot would make him into a pretty good player.

If I recall correctly, my scenarios for Francis were in the vein of: Crawford/Penny for Francis.

However, I did think that a Marbury/Francis backcourt could be formidable, though they are a mismatched pair, because of sheer talent. For instance, the two-legged Francis is unquestionably better than Crawford.

I did not like the motive behind the Francis trade: Brown trying to make the point that he could crush any player on the squad, paired with the motive of trying to oust Marbury in favor of Francis.

Still though, I did not, and would not have a problem with the Francis trade from a basketball standpoint if we had the real Steve Francis, instead of the peg-leg Francis. Because again, that would be better than anything we are putting out there right now, and a high-performing Francis I saw as a vehicle to acquiring Ray Allen, who does fit in well with a Marbury type.

One last thing: I have never really liked Francis' game, but I am rooting for him because he is a Knick, and he has shown some heart as a Knick.

oohah


Dude, bro, homez???

You make it sound like I went out of my way to misrepresent you. Is saying you supported the trade so different than the sum of your extended recant? I don't posses a fantabulous memory, but I do recall you saying "woo hoo!" in connection with a Marbury/Francis backcourt.

This is somewhat reminiscent of the time you took great umbrage with me for paraphrasing your assertion that I was "making stuff up and presenting it as fact" as calling me "a liar."

If/when this board has a search function I can attempt to quote you with the exactitude you demand, but in the meantime is it okay if I get close and allow you to fill in the blanks without too much consternation in the process?

BTW, the point wasn't even about you, buddy, chief, honcho.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 02-02-2007 9:36 PM]
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Posted by fishmike:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by TheGame:
I am not sure who I blame more, Larry for requesting the move knowing it would not work, or IT for going along with the trade when he probably had serious doubts it would work also.
Let me help you with this. The person to blame is Isiah because he and only he had the authority to make such a transaction. Its also consistant with other trades Isiah has made, very consistant.

I understand IT is ultimately responsible for everything that happens with the team. However, my point is that IT went ahead with the trade because he thought the great LB was sincerely going to make it work and he was supporting his coach. That might have been niave, but when you pay a guy $50 million, I don't think it is too much to expect some level of honesty and loyalty, which LB clearly did not possess. So, while IT should have never done the trade, I still blame LB more for requesting it when he had no intention of making it work.

In any event, the point is that move really set us back because it likely cost us Williams (potentially our PG of the future) and stuck us with Francise's virtually untradeable salary and contributed to the decision to sign Jeffries, which was another horrible move. IT needs to learn that you don't pay $30 million for a B-level player when you can sign a C-level player for $3 million. If IT ever learns this lesson, I think he would be on his way to being a decent GM because he is a solid drafter.


Game- your spitting in the wind man. I've been down this road more than several times but you have to understand, Brown is the teflon-Don on this board to some and is exempt from everything bad about this team. Of course this trade doesn't go down if Brown doesn't beg for the deal "I'm dying here".

If you remember, Isiah went to bat for Brown a few weeks before the trade by saying to the players "its Browns way or the highway" (paraphrasing.) Isiah even said during the press conference that introduced francis that "Its so crazy that it might work." Wow what a ringing endorsement. Isiah put his trust in a hallfame coach that he could somehow make it work. And we all know how that turned out....
Brown sucked with us... he was bad in just about every facet. However blaming him for bad moves the GM made is silly. Find me a guy on this site that says Larry did a good job. I have said things like Isiah is now realizing what Larry went through, but thats about it.

Game.. back to the original point about Isiah making the trade to "support his coach."

I would give you that except this exact thing has come up before.

Before Isiah traded KVH and Doleac for Fugazy and Nazr he called Lenny Wilkins and talked to him about the trade. Now keep in mind the Knicks were finally turning around that season, were playing good ball and were winning games. Lenny point blank said please do NOT make that trade. The reason he gave was simple. He said he had KVH and Doleac playing very well, and the team meshing as a unit.
Maybe Isiah learned from that incident that he should get the coach the players the coach wants?
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2/2/2007  10:54 PM
Posted by bigbeast:

There is no question in my mind that Francis wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Brown.

There is no question in my mind that Francis wouldn't be here if Isiah just said no.
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2/2/2007  11:38 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by bigbeast:

There is no question in my mind that Francis wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Brown.

There is no question in my mind that Francis wouldn't be here if Isiah just said no.

So this isn't you?
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2/3/2007  1:08 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
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I don't know, I don't remember everyone's position on the trade, but the one guy who I do recall in support of it was oohah. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just ironic in the face of holfresh's misguided assault.


Dude! Bro! Homez! If you're going to cite me, please be accurate! I PREDICTED that Francis would be traded to the Knicks, I was never like: "Isiah, you better go get Francis!". I was not in support of trading Ariza either, I was one of Ariza's biggest supporters around here even after 9/10'ths of UK had turned on him, similar to the way they have Frye. Long, uber-athletic, team oriented players like Ariza do not grow on trees, and I have always maintained that even a small improvement in Ariza's shot would make him into a pretty good player.

If I recall correctly, my scenarios for Francis were in the vein of: Crawford/Penny for Francis.

However, I did think that a Marbury/Francis backcourt could be formidable, though they are a mismatched pair, because of sheer talent. For instance, the two-legged Francis is unquestionably better than Crawford.

I did not like the motive behind the Francis trade: Brown trying to make the point that he could crush any player on the squad, paired with the motive of trying to oust Marbury in favor of Francis.

Still though, I did not, and would not have a problem with the Francis trade from a basketball standpoint if we had the real Steve Francis, instead of the peg-leg Francis. Because again, that would be better than anything we are putting out there right now, and a high-performing Francis I saw as a vehicle to acquiring Ray Allen, who does fit in well with a Marbury type.

One last thing: I have never really liked Francis' game, but I am rooting for him because he is a Knick, and he has shown some heart as a Knick.

oohah


Dude, bro, homez???

You make it sound like I went out of my way to misrepresent you. Is saying you supported the trade so different than the sum of your extended recant? I don't posses a fantabulous memory, but I do recall you saying "woo hoo!" in connection with a Marbury/Francis backcourt.

This is somewhat reminiscent of the time you took great umbrage with me for paraphrasing your assertion that I was "making stuff up and presenting it as fact" as calling me "a liar."

If/when this board has a search function I can attempt to quote you with the exactitude you demand, but in the meantime is it okay if I get close and allow you to fill in the blanks without too much consternation in the process?

BTW, the point wasn't even about you, buddy, chief, honcho.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 02-02-2007 9:36 PM]

You're going to the wrong place with this Blue. Nobody is accusing you of whatever it is you're feeling that I accused you of. But your portrayal of what I wrote is wrong. If you are going to state that I supported "The trade", at least be accurate about it! Is that really too much to ask? Is there something wrong with that?

And it is not 'close' to say I supported "The Trade". It just isn't! A "recant" would have to be me taking back something I said, and it wouldn't be accurate in this case. It's a clarification, and I am pretty sure you would have done the same thing if I had mis-represented you, either intentionally or unintentionally.

And I understand the point wasn't about me, but you are using me to make the point, but again inaccurately.

"Dude, bro, homez???"<<< You find this upsetting? Sorry, I'll try not to address you with popular slang terms of friendship!

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 03-02-2007 01:28 AM]
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2/3/2007  2:19 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:
I don't know, I don't remember everyone's position on the trade, but the one guy who I do recall in support of it was oohah. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just ironic in the face of holfresh's misguided assault.


Dude! Bro! Homez! If you're going to cite me, please be accurate! I PREDICTED that Francis would be traded to the Knicks, I was never like: "Isiah, you better go get Francis!". I was not in support of trading Ariza either, I was one of Ariza's biggest supporters around here even after 9/10'ths of UK had turned on him, similar to the way they have Frye. Long, uber-athletic, team oriented players like Ariza do not grow on trees, and I have always maintained that even a small improvement in Ariza's shot would make him into a pretty good player.

If I recall correctly, my scenarios for Francis were in the vein of: Crawford/Penny for Francis.

However, I did think that a Marbury/Francis backcourt could be formidable, though they are a mismatched pair, because of sheer talent. For instance, the two-legged Francis is unquestionably better than Crawford.

I did not like the motive behind the Francis trade: Brown trying to make the point that he could crush any player on the squad, paired with the motive of trying to oust Marbury in favor of Francis.

Still though, I did not, and would not have a problem with the Francis trade from a basketball standpoint if we had the real Steve Francis, instead of the peg-leg Francis. Because again, that would be better than anything we are putting out there right now, and a high-performing Francis I saw as a vehicle to acquiring Ray Allen, who does fit in well with a Marbury type.

One last thing: I have never really liked Francis' game, but I am rooting for him because he is a Knick, and he has shown some heart as a Knick.

oohah


Dude, bro, homez???

You make it sound like I went out of my way to misrepresent you. Is saying you supported the trade so different than the sum of your extended recant? I don't posses a fantabulous memory, but I do recall you saying "woo hoo!" in connection with a Marbury/Francis backcourt.

This is somewhat reminiscent of the time you took great umbrage with me for paraphrasing your assertion that I was "making stuff up and presenting it as fact" as calling me "a liar."

If/when this board has a search function I can attempt to quote you with the exactitude you demand, but in the meantime is it okay if I get close and allow you to fill in the blanks without too much consternation in the process?

BTW, the point wasn't even about you, buddy, chief, honcho.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 02-02-2007 9:36 PM]

You're going to the wrong place with this Blue. Nobody is accusing you of whatever it is you're feeling that I accused you of. But your portrayal of what I wrote is wrong. If you are going to state that I supported "The trade", at least be accurate about it! Is that really too much to ask? Is there something wrong with that?

And it is not 'close' to say I supported "The Trade". It just isn't! A "recant" would have to be me taking back something I said, and it wouldn't be accurate in this case. It's a clarification, and I am pretty sure you would have done the same thing if I had mis-represented you, either intentionally or unintentionally.

And I understand the point wasn't about me, but you are using me to make the point, but again inaccurately.

"Dude, bro, homez???"<<< You find this upsetting? Sorry, I'll try not to address you with popular slang terms of friendship!

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 03-02-2007 01:28 AM]


Don't sweat it, oohah. I'm just returning perceived persnicketiness in kind, and in jest.

However, "recant" was an unfortunate malapropism on my part; "recount" was perhaps what I was grasping at.

I'd just hate to have to pretend you never existed farther back than I'm able to recall exact quotes from, which is all of about 2 seconds.

Sure would be nice to have a search function, I'd love to see the exact context of that "woo hoo" now.

But again, not that it really matters. Your name probably would not have come up at all had holfresh not attempted to mischaracterize the sentiments of a dozen "larry lovers" simultaneously. As if anyone's sentiments toward players and deals every break down so cleanly.

As for popular slang terms for friendship... three in succession, accented by exclamation points might be a little too "friendly"

That said... would you have preferred the trade that much more if it included Crawford instead of Ariza?

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2/3/2007  3:47 AM
That said... would you have preferred the trade that much more if it included Crawford instead of Ariza?

Definitely! While it still would have ended up a bad trade because of Francis' knee, we would not have traded a young promising player, and I really don't care for the inconsistency of JC. He tantalizes, but he never realizes. He can kill his team or the other team on any given night.

P.S. We need more smileys, I'm sick of the ones we have.

oohah

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