Posted by islesfan:

Posted by tkf:

And guys stop with the Durant/ Oden dreams. The bulls, knicks, and lakers won't sniff these guys.. Take a look at the grizzlies, sixers, hawks, kings, those are the teams that will have a chance at these guys.....

I don't think anyone is saying that the Bulls are definitely getting Oden or Durant. I was just saying that I believe both will be better than Curry and only because TMS doesn't believe that there's a single player in this coming draft that has more upside than Curry.

Posted by kam77:

And why are you using statistics from last year MS?

fraud.EXPOSED

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by buddapaw:

To all of you guys with the franchise player argument. Is Kevin Garnett considered a franchise type player? I believe he is right, what has he won? We had Ewing for years and we never won anthing either, the same with the Jazz which has two of them Stockton and Malone. Yes it is great to have a franchise player but you also have to have a good supporting cast. So enough of this franchise player crap. You guys think that guys like that grow on trees, Jordan had to wait his turn too. The Bulls young core has been together for about 2 - 3 years more than ours, so they are further along. So let the team grow and stop drooling over other teams players.

What does winning the championship have to do with it??

We're talking about franchise players in terms of building a legitimate contending team. Guys like Ewing, Malone and Barkley were consistently on contending teams regardless of whether or not they won.

The Knicks as presently constituted are made up of a bunch of one dimensional role players. There is no franchise player to build around and for the foreseeable future we're limited in our ability to obtain one.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by MS:

Curry is a great offensive player, he also had 7 turnovers and let the Lakers pretty much go right up the middle. You don't judge on one game, Curry should be dominating out there he is a massive force and has 60 pounds on the kid and knows how to use his body.

Curry's ungaurdable one on one. TMS is right that no one can stop him. However, you can kill us right now by double teaming him. Curry obviously outplayed Bynum last night, but I thought Bynum's low post moves (including the ones that didn't go in) were very impressive for a 19 year old. The foul calls against him were rough and took him out of the game a bit.

those foul calls were legitimate & caused by Curry's aggressiveness going to the hole in the paint... he's going to learn how to defend the post w/o committing those fouls later w/more development, & i do think Bynum showed some very good defensive instincts for a young kid... didn't see the passing skills that some of you are harping on though, but i'm sure Kobe's absence had something to do w/that.

as for killing the Knicks w/a double team on Curry, it's up to his teammates to knock down open jumpers when teams do that... the only thing Curry has any hand in there is to learn when & how to pass out of the double team, & when to reverse the ball & take it up on the weak side w/o drawing an offensive foul... i thought he did a very good job of that last night.

It's not his teammates. The problem is that when Curry gets double teamed, he has no clue what to do. He usually just holds onto the ball because he can't figure out what to do and eventually throws it somewhere.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by MS:

Curry is a great offensive player, he also had 7 turnovers and let the Lakers pretty much go right up the middle. You don't judge on one game, Curry should be dominating out there he is a massive force and has 60 pounds on the kid and knows how to use his body.

Curry's ungaurdable one on one. TMS is right that no one can stop him. However, you can kill us right now by double teaming him. Curry obviously outplayed Bynum last night, but I thought Bynum's low post moves (including the ones that didn't go in) were very impressive for a 19 year old. The foul calls against him were rough and took him out of the game a bit.

those foul calls were legitimate & caused by Curry's aggressiveness going to the hole in the paint... he's going to learn how to defend the post w/o committing those fouls later w/more development, & i do think Bynum showed some very good defensive instincts for a young kid... didn't see the passing skills that some of you are harping on though, but i'm sure Kobe's absence had something to do w/that.

as for killing the Knicks w/a double team on Curry, it's up to his teammates to knock down open jumpers when teams do that... the only thing Curry has any hand in there is to learn when & how to pass out of the double team, & when to reverse the ball & take it up on the weak side w/o drawing an offensive foul... i thought he did a very good job of that last night.

It's not his teammates. The problem is that when Curry gets double teamed, he has no clue what to do. He usually just holds onto the ball because he can't figure out what to do and eventually throws it somewhere.

did you watch him play last night Bonn? he got the ball down low & rotated away from the double team & went up strong to the hoop & drew some fouls on Bynum & got to the FT line & made most of his foul shots... does that count as knowing what to do with the ball when the double team comes or no? just checking.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Silverfuel:

I agree TMS, Chicago is in the same boat as us. So if we can get a GM thats good at making trades, we have an excellent core of young players. I take my chances with Curry, Lee, Frye and Balkman and see where they can take us next year. Some of these are way too harsh on Curry. I know his defense is bad but it can be worked on just like his FT shooting was worked on.

These guys think that if we can't get a Lebron James or Dwight Howard in a trade for our young players, then they're not worthy of franchise talent... it's a joke... tell me ANY combination of players on the Bulls, Grizz, Bobcats or any other team w/young talent that's going to get you guys like that... it's not happening.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Silverfuel:

I agree TMS, Chicago is in the same boat as us. So if we can get a GM thats good at making trades, we have an excellent core of young players. I take my chances with Curry, Lee, Frye and Balkman and see where they can take us next year. Some of these are way too harsh on Curry. I know his defense is bad but it can be worked on just like his FT shooting was worked on.

These guys think that if we can't get a Lebron James or Dwight Howard in a trade for our young players, then they're not worthy of franchise talent... it's a joke... tell me ANY combination of players on the Bulls, Grizz, Bobcats or any other team w/young talent that's going to get you guys like that... it's not happening.

I think the Bulls young talent is probably the best,IMO, and you can probably get something done if you included a package of Gordon, Duhon or Hinrich, Nocioni or Ty and a pick or two....

for Lebron or Dwight Howard? come on man... are you serious??? those guys aren't being traded for ANYONE unless we're talking about names like Kobe, D Wade, Dirk, Nash.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Silverfuel:

I agree TMS, Chicago is in the same boat as us. So if we can get a GM thats good at making trades, we have an excellent core of young players. I take my chances with Curry, Lee, Frye and Balkman and see where they can take us next year. Some of these are way too harsh on Curry. I know his defense is bad but it can be worked on just like his FT shooting was worked on.

These guys think that if we can't get a Lebron James or Dwight Howard in a trade for our young players, then they're not worthy of franchise talent... it's a joke... tell me ANY combination of players on the Bulls, Grizz, Bobcats or any other team w/young talent that's going to get you guys like that... it's not happening.

I think the Bulls young talent is probably the best,IMO, and you can probably get something done if you included a package of Gordon, Duhon or Hinrich, Nocioni or Ty and a pick or two....

for Lebron or Dwight Howard? come on man... are you serious??? those guys aren't being traded for ANYONE unless we're talking about names like Kobe, D Wade, Dirk, Nash.

At best if the Bulls gave up Gordon, Hinrich, Nocioni and 2 first round picks, you don't think that is enough to trade for one of those guys?

You can shoot it down, but the whole point of coming up with a scenario is flawed because those guys wouldn't be traded unless they had to be.

Player for player, yes, I think that the offer would be good enough if they Cavs or Magic were in a posiotion where they had to deal them.