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fishmike
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1/29/2007  4:18 PM
your missing my point. Rashard isnt worth trading for.

Here's what happens -Curry + Rashard.

The Knicks dont win any more games. Also in Sea Lewis is a featured scorer. He he's got to compete with Marbury, Jamal Chuckford, Frye, Nate... pretty much everyone not named Lee or Balkman.
So Knicks continue to lose
Lewis's numbers take a hit because he's like scorer # 12 on our roster
The rebounding and defense remains bad
All we have is another disgruntled scorer.
He's 28 and will want to go to a good team

Hey Bobs... if you miss Tim Thomas that much why not just trade for him?

To be a good uptempo team you need uptempo guards and guys that can control the glass and create turnovers.

We are so far away from that its not worth it.
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1/29/2007  4:48 PM
You guys obviously didn't see the fan in the stands that I was referring to in the Philly game. I'll help you out:
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1/29/2007  5:13 PM
I would rather move eddy for josh smith in all honesty than rashard lewis....

I would do a channing, curry, and crawford for joe johnson and josh smith....

Marbury
Johnson
Balkman
Smith
Lee

And then just pry for Lebron or DWade
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1/29/2007  6:07 PM
Smith's PER is 17+.

That's even less efficient than Curry.

Is that even possible?


Rashard is a VERY efficient scorer, and once again, where have I mentioned Marbury in any of this?


I think he should just be bought out, or traded.


You guys are reaching for the sky, and I'd love to, have before, but you can't always do that, specially when your owner is James Dolan.

He's never gonna let us drop everything and just rebuild.

We have salary locked up in practically 2/3 of our team.

The best thing to do is just make the best of what we have, let salary slide off eventually, and keep draft picks.

If Atlants was willing to trade one of their SF's and maybe even a pick swap for Curry and filler, I'm all for it.


But I just don't see that happening. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
bobs3304
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1/29/2007  6:11 PM
Btw, for the record I'm not saying that we should necessarily have to swap the 2 straight up.

I think maybe a pick swap is in order, if we throw in a filler like Collins (I think they would best be served just trading Ridnour after that)...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  6:19 PM
Please, lets stay away from Seattle, unless you want to do a Marbury for Allen deal, or if you want to go for Sene, but that's about it. Curry for Lewis is a lateral trade. Neither plays defense, Lewis will give you 18 points from shooting, and that's really all, and Curry will give you 18-20 in the low post and that's all. Actually, we already have too many shooters, so I really don't see the point. We'd probably get worse simply b/c we have no other post presense to compliment our perimeter scorers, whom I think are all overrated to be honest.
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bobs3304
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1/29/2007  6:58 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Curry for Lewis is a lateral trade. Neither plays defense, Lewis will give you 18 points from shooting, and that's really all, and Curry will give you 18-20 in the low post and that's all. Actually, we already have too many shooters, so I really don't see the point. We'd probably get worse simply b/c we have no other post presense to compliment our perimeter scorers, whom I think are all overrated to be honest.


A couple things --

1, Lewis gives you 20-25 (not 18) points at a high clip from everywhere on the court. He's shooting 40+% from three.

We have no shooters. We have quite alot of chuckers though. Q is the only one that can hit a 3 at a somewhat consistent rate.

Lewis is a top 5 3-PT shooter.



2. Since our team is basically 2/3 run and gun type players, we wouldnt and don't need a "post player". Frye is good enough for the time being as far as points in the paint. Dunks and fast breaks help with that statistic too.

What we REALLY need is an inside presence on DEFENSE.

Not offense.


[Edited by - bobs3304 on 01-29-2007 6:58 PM]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  7:01 PM
At this point, I see Lee, Curry and Crawford being un-touchable! Lee and Curry are the most consistant and I think Crawford could be also, if given consistent starting time and minutes.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/29/2007  7:06 PM
Posted by 4949:

At this point, I see Lee, Curry and Crawford being un-touchable! Lee and Curry are the most consistant and I think Crawford could be also, if given consistent starting time and minutes.

Lee, yes.

Crawford, no.

And Curry --- consistent?

Ya, he's consistenly porous on defense, bad from the line, weak in the paint.......I could go on and on.


The only thing Curry does well is score in the paint, and even then he stagnates the offense b/c he can't pass out of double teams or actually shoot.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
4949
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1/29/2007  7:14 PM
Yeah' Curry consistant! He's scoring 20 or more consistently. Who said he was a defensive gem? He's not the franchise player some people think he can be, but what he can be is a legit compliment to a future star on this team. He has his strengths and weaknesses just like every onther player, but is a little more valuable in this position, something we have not had since Ewing.

When he was with the bulls, you didn't know who was going to show up and we ourselves saw it last season. Now he's finally hitting all time personal highs in some of his stats. I'd keep him, simply because he is still very young and is going to be around for awhile. Show me someone in the league who can handle the center position and dominate, someone we can trade him for, then we'll talk trade. Otherwise Cato and J J aren't going to be able to do what he is doing now.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/29/2007  7:19 PM
Posted by 4949:

He's not the franchise player some people think he can be, but what he can be is a legit compliment to a future star on this team.

how are we going to acquire that "future" star this team needs?
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1/29/2007  7:21 PM
If Curry is so dominant how come we're 8 games under .500 in the worst division in the NBA?


Either he really isn't as "dominant" as people say he is........or his "dominance" really isn't all that valuable in the 1st place.


I'm telling you -- what we need is dominance in the paint....................ON THE DEFENSIVE END.


I'd much rather have Mike Sweetney to provide "dominant" low post scoring for 15-20 minutes a game, then have Curry play 40 and leave us naked in the middle all game long...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
bobs3304
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1/29/2007  7:22 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by 4949:

He's not the franchise player some people think he can be, but what he can be is a legit compliment to a future star on this team.

how are we going to acquire that "future" star this team needs?


EXACTLY my point.

People have pie in the sky ideas.


Jame Dolan runs this team people...

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  7:23 PM
We have to wait for some of these contracts to run out. That's why it's going to take a few more years to make us better then what we are right now. We can't build through the draft. Apparently, Zeke is not allowed to make anymore trades, and Dolan isn't dishing out anymore free bucks for injured or non-productive players anymore, so there is no other way to do it. Just wait.
I'll never trust this' team again.
bobs3304
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1/29/2007  7:24 PM
To make my point ---


Camby
Johnson
Spree
Houston
Ward/Childs


Sound familiar?


In a sense that's basically what I'm shooting for here...

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  7:25 PM
Posted by 4949:

We have to wait for some of these contracts to run out. That's why it's going to take a few more years to make us better then what we are right now. We can't build through the draft. Apparently, Zeke is not allowed to make anymore trades, and Dolan isn't dishing out anymore free bucks for injured or non-productive players anymore, so there is no other way to do it. Just wait.

What are we waiting for? We are never bad enough to get a good lotto pick and James Dolan has never let contracts run out. Are we waiting for the 2nd coming?
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bobs3304
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1/29/2007  7:25 PM
Posted by 4949:

We have to wait for some of these contracts to run out. Just wait.

Wait?

Wait for what?

For Lebron to opt out of a max contract next time around?


That's so not happening it's not even funny.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  7:26 PM
If this isn't thought out logically and followed through, we will have to start all over again and even that's going to take another 7 or 8 years. You got to let this team grow and find the pieces in the right way and stop all of this rediculous spending and panicking.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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1/29/2007  7:27 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

To make my point ---


Camby
Johnson
Spree
Houston
Ward/Childs


Sound familiar?


In a sense that's basically what I'm shooting for here...

Auhhhh, these guys are gone, just in case no one told you.
I'll never trust this' team again.
bobs3304
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1/29/2007  7:30 PM
Dude I wasn't using it as an example from a nostalgia POV.


I was using it as a realistic POV.


That's REALISTICALLY our best bet going forward.


That team had similiar run and gun players, and that was the reason they got rid of Ewing, DESPITE THE FACT that he was still a hell of alot more useful on defense than Curry is now.


K buddy?
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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