Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by fishmike:

you take Shaq or Ewing at 25 years old, put them on any NBA team and you pretty much have 50 wins.

Yet we have Curry who some describe with words like unstoppable, franchise and cornerstone. Yet the Knicks still cant put together any kind of stretch of consistant play, despite the great "depth" people talk about.

Its obvious why.. I stated it in my post. Just some refuse to see it

Ewing was 25 in his 2nd season in the NBA (1987)... the Knicks went 38W - 44L that year... this year's Knicks are about on pace to match that record at this point in the season.

before any moron says i'm saying Curry is equivalent to Ewing as a player, let me just preface that by saying that's not the case... but to assume that merely placing a 25 yo Ewing on any NBA team automatically nets them 50 wins is off base & inaccurate.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-16-2007 2:35 PM]

That was Patricks 3rd season.
age 23 was 23 wins
age 24 was 24 wins
age 25 was 38 wins

Patrick was born 8/5/62... he was a rookie in '86, no? that would make him 24 at season's end... at season's end of his second season he was 25... am i off on something here? if i got the W-L record wrong, my bad... but you get the point i'm trying to make.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ewingpa01.html

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

If the NBA season ended in August then he would be 24. :)
But the NBA season doesnt go to August and that is why the link I posted showed that he was still 23 as a rookie, 24 in his 2nd year and 25 in his 3rd year. :)

Posted by oohah:

I just wish that Allan Houston had not had to retire. Then there would have been no way to double-team Curry without getting burned. This team would be well on its way.

oohah

H20 was great. I wish he was still around. Fans treated him like garabage also but he was a true all star and one of the 10 best shooters Ive ever seen.

Posted by Anji:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Anji:

Seriously when was the last time you seen a post up as the last play of the game???LOL. When Duncan takes the last shot of the game are they pounding the ball inside, or is he 15 feet away on an iso??? Post players don't get the ball at the end of games because talking away the post is the easy thing to do. So................um, Yeah. Basement??? Please.

Last time? Yesterday, when the Kings needed a bucket and went to Shareef for the go-ahead score with 0:26 left.

The problem with Eddy late in games isnt his FTs or clutch play. Hell, even if he misses FTs there's a good shot he's going to dunk or be shooting an and-1. Eddy sits late for the same reason Skiles sat him late. His defense is so bad he instantly gives the team a 60% scoring option to go to.

This is why mentioning Ewing, Shaq and Eddy in the same line says how little you know about the game. Shaq and Ewing had a great presense on defense and totally dominated the glass. Eddy collects some rebounds during the game and simply does nothing on defense. Its almost insulting to watch, but he scores and scores well. Points show up in the stat sheet so people eat it up and believe the hype.

We cant break .500 for any kind of stretch of games. Eddy's play on that "other" side of the court is a big reason for that.

I applaud the history lesson and perspective............... what the Hell does defense have to do with taking the last shot???? Like 90 percent of your post has nothing to do with the thread and is the same old speech you seem to go into in every thread, though it be a tear jerking tale of courage and bravery. THe way things should be rant, Eh grandpa..........

And again, SAR's caught the ball 12 feet away from the basket and dribbled to 8 and hit and hook. How is that the same as trying to dump the ball into a guy like Curry or Shaq who need to catch at 8 and finish closer???? DO you understand the difference???? NO(Im answering myself.. I do that some times)

[Edited by - anji on 01-16-2007 5:27 PM]

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Anji:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Anji:

Seriously when was the last time you seen a post up as the last play of the game???LOL. When Duncan takes the last shot of the game are they pounding the ball inside, or is he 15 feet away on an iso??? Post players don't get the ball at the end of games because talking away the post is the easy thing to do. So................um, Yeah. Basement??? Please.

Last time? Yesterday, when the Kings needed a bucket and went to Shareef for the go-ahead score with 0:26 left.

The problem with Eddy late in games isnt his FTs or clutch play. Hell, even if he misses FTs there's a good shot he's going to dunk or be shooting an and-1. Eddy sits late for the same reason Skiles sat him late. His defense is so bad he instantly gives the team a 60% scoring option to go to.

This is why mentioning Ewing, Shaq and Eddy in the same line says how little you know about the game. Shaq and Ewing had a great presense on defense and totally dominated the glass. Eddy collects some rebounds during the game and simply does nothing on defense. Its almost insulting to watch, but he scores and scores well. Points show up in the stat sheet so people eat it up and believe the hype.

We cant break .500 for any kind of stretch of games. Eddy's play on that "other" side of the court is a big reason for that.

I applaud the history lesson and perspective............... what the Hell does defense have to do with taking the last shot???? Like 90 percent of your post has nothing to do with the thread and is the same old speech you seem to go into in every thread, though it be a tear jerking tale of courage and bravery. THe way things should be rant, Eh grandpa..........

And again, SAR's caught the ball 12 feet away from the basket and dribbled to 8 and hit and hook. How is that the same as trying to dump the ball into a guy like Curry or Shaq who need to catch at 8 and finish closer???? DO you understand the difference???? NO(Im answering myself.. I do that some times)

[Edited by - anji on 01-16-2007 5:27 PM]

really? I saw him catch the ball about 8 feet away, then dribble 4 feet while everyone cleared out for the score.

Hey look...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=270115018
Shareef Abdur-Rahim makes 4-foot hook shot

Let me break it down for you as I know some are slower than others...

People were debating why if Eddy is such a force we dont go to him more late in games.

My point (feel free to debate) is Eddy's lack of defense often gets him benched in crunch time. So its less a case of heart, desire or clutch play, and rather just a case of being unable to contribute on one end of the floor that gets him riding pine.

Understand?

oh.. and my bad on Ewing. He was 26 the year the Knicks finally got rid of Cartwright and the Knicks pretty much won 50 from there on out.

NO, YOu watch the Video and tell me that shot is from four feet away First off.
http://videosearch2.nba.com/search/?sp_a=sp10038c44&sp_t=video&sp_q=%22nbacom/recaps%22&sp_n=10&sp_s=postdate&sp_k=wmvasf
Second, nobody but you are debating if Curry get's the ball late in the fourth, because he get's the ball inside of 5mins. Up in til the minute mark, currys been getting the ball all year, so YOUR DEBATE is moot. Only time he doesn't get the ball is under a mintue to go or the very last 3 or 4 possions of the game. DO you get it??? Damn, how many 3 point plays has curry made with under two minutes to go or in OT??? OT don't count as the end of the Damn game now!!!!! THe Pistons game, the Raptors game, The first BobCats game..................... what the hell are you talking about???

YOur rant is completely invald and uncalled for in this thread. YOur Tangent had nothing to do wih thread and why does Crawford shoot instead of Curry at the end of games. Only time crawford shots excluisvely is with under a minute to go, Implied but shouldn't be that hard to follow....... DO you get that????
And out side of a couple of times there are offensive and Defensive switches, CURRY BEING OUT OF THE GAME MOSTLY DOES NOT EVEN HAPPEN. What are you talking about???? Go find the games where curry is off the floor for the last 3 minutes like you are trying to imply. The last two minutes........... Hell the last minute of a close game, show me the Game log that curry is completely off the floor. THe way you put it, you should ten no problem.

Posted by joec32033:

From the looks of it Killa, SAR's front foot is at the 3rd hashmark from the out of bounds line, if he took the shot directly from there, I would say he was 5 to 5 1/2 feet out-max- based on your diagram.