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nyk4ever
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1/9/2007  2:00 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Like I said, on the perimeter, he's just not good. In the post, he's good.

I don't get this. Why does it matter if he's a good defender on the perimeter? He's not a perimeter defender, he's a PF, there's absolutely no reason he should be out guarding the perimeter to begin with.

I agree that it's not a good thing he's our best player. I just don't get why people are calling him a bad defender on the perimeter when he's a PF and doesn't need to be guarding the perimeter.
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1/9/2007  4:54 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Like I said, on the perimeter, he's just not good. In the post, he's good.

I don't get this. Why does it matter if he's a good defender on the perimeter? He's not a perimeter defender, he's a PF, there's absolutely no reason he should be out guarding the perimeter to begin with.

I agree that it's not a good thing he's our best player. I just don't get why people are calling him a bad defender on the perimeter when he's a PF and doesn't need to be guarding the perimeter.
Because the mayority in this site (in which I'm NOT included) wants Lee to be NOT our starting PF, but our starting SF.

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 09-01-2007 04:54 AM]

[Edited by - DarkKnicks on 09-01-2007 04:55 AM]
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1/9/2007  5:21 AM
Dvid Lee is not the answer at small forward, ive been saying that for weeks. Players like TMac, Harrington, Pierce, Lebron, Carter, Kobe, R.Lewis, etc will torch D.Lee. Lee cannot keep a team honest on defense because he cant hit a jumpshot. Lee wont rebound as well if hes on the perimeter guarding SFs. Hes a power forward, nothing else.
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1/9/2007  7:34 AM
Posted by Queeniepop:

Why dont u get past the Knicks homepage on 82games.com and see which floor units play the most minutes and give us the best chance of winning versus individual stats. I am sure that Nate and Cato will bring us above .500 with their 30% and 4% respective minutes.
funny how despite the words being right there in front of them people read and hear what they want to hear. I said in my orginal post and my follow up post that these numbers were really only relevant for Curry, Marbury, Crawford and Lee, who all have played at least 60% of the team's minutes.

Anyway those stats only back up my point which is Lee's impact on the games exceeds his stats. People like to gush about numbers and talk about intangibles. Bottom line is the Knicks need Lee on the floor as much as anyone else on this team.

I'm sure if he started and got those extra 7-8 minutes he misses at the start of games guys like Marbury and Crawford would have better +/- numbers.

Instead the genious coach starts Frye, who does nothing but launch 18 footers chase around smaller quicker players (poorly) when playing PF next to Curry.
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1/9/2007  8:44 AM
Posted by Queeniepop:

The point is that OF ALL THE MINUTES PLAYED...the players with the most mins are on the floor when we are up and down, quarter to quarter. Players who see a lower percentage of minutes played do not endure the DOWNS of the games as much because they are on the floor at the end of quarters or in garbage time, when one team has a huge lead over the other. Therefore if Cato or Nate scores five points in a 4th Q blowout and we outscore our opponent, there +/- goes up versus Marbs, Craw and Curry who endure 67-75% of that game, while Nate endures only 25-30% of the game.

Why dont u get past the Knicks homepage on 82games.com and see which floor units play the most minutes and give us the best chance of winning versus individual stats. I am sure that Nate and Cato will bring us above .500 with their 30% and 4% respective minutes.

Marbury-Crawford-Lee-Curry-Frye

108 mins/50% winning percentage
effective FG 51.7%
effective FG's allowed 49.7%
ft attempts +40
rebounds 101%

Fans here don't really watch Basketball games (Knicks included). They only catch the highlights on ESPN and read the paper the next day.
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1/9/2007  8:50 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Allanfan20:

Like I said, on the perimeter, he's just not good. In the post, he's good.

I don't get this. Why does it matter if he's a good defender on the perimeter? He's not a perimeter defender, he's a PF, there's absolutely no reason he should be out guarding the perimeter to begin with.

I agree that it's not a good thing he's our best player. I just don't get why people are calling him a bad defender on the perimeter when he's a PF and doesn't need to be guarding the perimeter.

Kevin Garnett
Dirk Nowitzki
Shawn Marion
Tim Duncan
Chris Bosh
Jermaine O'Neal
Pau Gasol
Andrei Kirilenko
Boris Diaw
Mehmet Okur
Chris Webber
Lamar Odom
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Rasheed Wallace
Antawn Jamison
Antione Walker
Donyell Marshall
Robert Horry

All Power Forwards that have a pretty mean outside game....
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1/9/2007  9:00 AM
more than half of those guys you listed are 3's
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1/9/2007  9:01 AM
Posted by Swishfm3:


Fans here don't really watch Basketball games (Knicks included). They only catch the highlights on ESPN and read the paper the next day.
lol... good one

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1/9/2007  9:19 AM
Holfresh you defending Frye over Lee boggles my mind I dont understand it.. I cant even begin to understand where you are coming from. Do you watch the games?
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1/9/2007  9:38 AM
I agree that Lee struggles on the perimeter defensively. He can guard a big guy on the perimeter but not a true three. I get upset when people says he doesnt care defensively
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1/9/2007  9:41 AM
Posted by Elite:

Holfresh you defending Frye over Lee boggles my mind I dont understand it.. I cant even begin to understand where you are coming from. Do you watch the games?

If Lee could hit a jumpshot he would be starting.
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1/9/2007  9:41 AM
David Lee is not a Small forward I'd like to see Frye gaurd some 3's
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1/9/2007  9:42 AM
Why is it so difficult to understand why Lee is so popular? It's simple: He always produces, night after night, which is very exciting to fans who have had zero to cheer for the last few years.

Lee never has a bad game, and he's in the top 10 in the league in rebounding (7th last I checked) and, I assume, FG pct. Is anyone else on our team in the top 10 in anything?

After so many depressing seasons, we finally have a young player who is good and consistent, and who can blame fans for being excited about that? Aside from Lee, do we have a single consistent player? Is anyone else a sure thing to have a good game?

So it's not that we think Lee is a spectacular superstar. We are not overrating him. We understand his limitations. But we also appreciate that he always does exactly what he is expected to do, which is rebound, hustle and be a complementary offensive player.

This nonsense about him not defending the 3 good enough is absurd. Put it this way: If that's the only negative thing someone can come up with about Lee, then I consider that a compliment, because that's not what Lee is being paid to do.
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1/9/2007  9:42 AM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by Elite:

Holfresh you defending Frye over Lee boggles my mind I dont understand it.. I cant even begin to understand where you are coming from. Do you watch the games?

If Lee could hit a jumpshot he would be starting.

Actually I see Lee make at LEAST 50% of the jumpshots he takes. and hes an 80% FT shooter... I am totally comfortable with Lee taking a 15 foot jumper
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1/9/2007  9:45 AM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by Elite:

Holfresh you defending Frye over Lee boggles my mind I dont understand it.. I cant even begin to understand where you are coming from. Do you watch the games?

If Lee could hit a jumpshot he would be starting.

Actually I see Lee make at LEAST 50% of the jumpshots he takes. and hes an 80% FT shooter... I am totally comfortable with Lee taking a 15 foot jumper


I agree about being confident in his 15-footer. And I am very confident he will improve greatly in his shooting. How long did it take Oakley to become a very dangerous shooter from inside 20 feet?
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1/9/2007  9:46 AM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by Elite:

Holfresh you defending Frye over Lee boggles my mind I dont understand it.. I cant even begin to understand where you are coming from. Do you watch the games?

If Lee could hit a jumpshot he would be starting.

Actually I see Lee make at LEAST 50% of the jumpshots he takes. and hes an 80% FT shooter... I am totally comfortable with Lee taking a 15 foot jumper

I love Lee dude. The dude cant shoot. He has no confidence in his jumpshot at all. If he had any type of shot he wouldnt be passing up 18 footers while his man is fronting Curry. The only time Ive seen him hit a J is little 12 footers from the baseline. Im telling you, the only reason this dude isnt starting is because he has no shot. Lee and JJ cannot start at the same time.

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1/9/2007  9:48 AM
Elite - I despise the Univ of Florida for making DLee bulk up to play center. Early in his college career Lee was built closer to Billy Cunningham.

Frye at the three, just on offense, is intruiguing. But his lateral speed bothers me on the perimeter. As Frye matures, and IF he plays a more physical style in the paint, the question is how much more weight can his frame carry without adding to the risk of injury?

With that said, I like 'em both.

The clutch Detroit jumper should boost Frye's confidence.

David Lee is the walking double-double the Knicks haven't had since Kurt Thomas

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1/9/2007  9:51 AM
Posted by misterearl:


David Lee is the walking double-double the Knicks haven't had since Kurt Thomas

Amen to that. And he's 23 to boot!!!!!!
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1/9/2007  9:53 AM
Erniecat - did I mention Eddy Curry is only 24?

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1/9/2007  9:55 AM
holfresh is a hater.
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