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Bippity10
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12/28/2006  3:44 PM
Ooh aah: Do me a favor and put me back on your IGNORE BUTTON, like you said you did in the past. I love those days.
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12/28/2006  3:48 PM
Larry Quit on the team and said he quit on the team before season even started. Those weren't his words he said," he knew it wasn't going to work in training camp"......... we all now know what that meant. Nobody should be offended at pointing that out about LB.

Yeah Oohah, I didn't like the Brown hiring, but I thought to myself if he got threw to the Kids before he left that would be great. That's all anybody wanted and the team does appear to be developing.Isiah is doing now, so I'll take it.
Posted by oohah:
what's the plan?

Develop a youthful core of players who are athletic and have a wide range of abilities. Attack on offense. Adjust coaching strategy to fit players abilities and development as needed.

(And when the right opportunity comes along, attempt to land superstar.)

oohah


[Edited by - anji on 12-28-2006 3:49 PM]
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12/28/2006  3:52 PM
^^^^One's own medicine does not taste so good. Like stating that somebody called you "Larry Lover" when they have done no such thing. In fact I am beginning to believe that should be a bannable offense.

I am just randomly making this comment, and it is in reply to no one in particular.^^^^

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12/28/2006  3:53 PM
Its funny the type of effort you can get from your players when you show that you have there back even when things are going bad. The moment I really new that Brown didn't care for this team and was just looking to exploit how bad and stupid it was. Was the moment he stated that one of his players didn't know where the shot clock was to the media. Why would he say that to the public if not to embarrass & belittle a player and to show everyone how bad and stupid a roster poorly little Brown has to work with. What coaching wise did he really have to gain from saying to the media that he has a player that didn't know where the shotclock was? Other than to belittle his player to the public.

Like that writer said way back who I don't remeber his name. There were no good guys in the larry brown saga last season. But bottom line. Larry Brown quit on this team before his team quit on him..

Now do I blame Larry Brown soley for losing last season. No way. But he was a huge part of it. It seems like the same people that judged the team by results. Only judge Larry Brown on circumstance. But yet don't want to hear about anyone elses circumstances.

Did Brown not play David Lee even though he was one of our best players last season?? Yes or no? I don't want to hear that he was just a rookie. That as you guys would say is an EXCUSE.
Did Brown not soley use the media to take subtle and indirect shots at his team?? Yes or no?
Did Brown not play with 40 different lineups?? Yes or no?
Did Brown not start Malik Rose at SF when he had better options?? Yes or no?

I don't blame Brown for Eddie Curry last season. He just wasn't ready. Though Brown should have let him play more through fouls. But thats that old impatient stubborness in him. Q was also playing horrible last season.

And the Francis trade was Brown. You guys can lie to yourselves but it was Brown who sold Isiah on that trade. But of course we should give Brown a free pass, and blame Isiah for making the trade. Since we support Brown and don't support Isiah. Dolan just made everything up about him begging for Francis and then not playing him.

What I learned from this board from the Brown sagga is we only care about chemistry and moral and being politically correct when its goes against someone we don't support. When someone we support does it then none of it matters.

In the end if Larry Brown would have won with us doing the exact same things he did. I wouldn't have cared about his tactics. I don't hate Brown or even dislike him. I just don't like how he approached coaching this team last season.
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12/28/2006  3:54 PM
Posted by Anji:

Larry Quit on the team and said he quit on the team before season even started. Those weren't his words he said," he knew it wasn't going to work in training camp"......... we all now know what that meant. Nobody should be offended at pointing that out about LB.

Yeah Oohah, I didn't like the Brown hiring, but I thought to myself if he got threw to the Kids before he left that would be great. That's all anybody wanted and the team does appear to be developing.

Who is offended by it? Where do you get that people are offended. If you read my post I clearly said that I felt LB did not want to coach this team. That was my original post. And when he got a chance his focus was not upon coaching and winning it was in trying to gain organizational control.

My point is I could have told you LB wouldn't coach that team before the season began. Why did we need the season to play out to figure that out? There were at least 10-15 people calling this one. Newspapers called it. I'm pretty confident in saying BKnight would have been a biotch with that line-up too and would have wnated it all traded. So as a GM, if I like my roster why would I hire a coach I know is not ready to coach it? Easy, for a buzz.

LB is nnot absolved of blame. It is his fault for not coaching the roster. It is Isiah's fault for hiring a mismatched coach. It was the players fault for not playing ball for themselves and instead focusing upon the coach. It was an organizational failure.

Now, how you guys twist that into me saying LB is God and Isiah is the antichrist is something OOH aah maybe can explain to me.
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12/28/2006  3:56 PM
Posted by oohah:

^^^^One's own medicine does not taste so good. Like stating that somebody called you "Larry Lover" when they have done no such thing. In fact I am beginning to believe that should be a bannable offense.

I am just randomly making this comment, and it is in reply to no one in particular.^^^^

oohah

Ooh aah have something friendly, cordial or productive to discuss with me or put me back on ignore. YOu notice when you ignore me we don't talk. CAn we put it back that way. I liked it.
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12/28/2006  3:57 PM
Ooh aah are you claiming that people on this site have not called me a Larry lover? That's like saying noone ever said Shaq was tall. As a matter of fact you just eluded to it two posts ago. This is how you re-introduced yourself back to me from the IGNORE button.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-28-2006 3:58 PM]
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12/28/2006  4:07 PM
The purpose of posts like these are not to actaully discuss what's different. It's to have an LB hating circle jizzerk


Ooh aah have something friendly, cordial or productive to discuss with me or put me back on ignore. YOu notice when you ignore me we don't talk. CAn we put it back that way. I liked it.



oohah

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12/28/2006  4:12 PM
did I call you out. If I did I apologize, but I really don't see your name so I'm not sure why that offended you. You responded to me not calling you out by taking the time to tell Anji what my "true opionion" of LB is. I take offense to this and responded. You of course go back to your "I was attacked first mode"

But that is the purpose of most of these posts, even if not intended my the original poster. Some try to discuss the entire issue, some blame LB, Marbs or Isiah. Doesn't matter waht the name is or who is to blame. It still makes for boring posts.
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12/28/2006  4:13 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Its funny the type of effort you can get from your players when you show that you have there back even when things are going bad. The moment I really new that Brown didn't care for this team and was just looking to exploit how bad and stupid it was. Was the moment he stated that one of his players didn't know where the shot clock was to the media. Why would he say that to the public if not to embarrass & belittle a player and to show everyone how bad and stupid a roster poorly little Brown has to work with. What coaching wise did he really have to gain from saying to the media that he has a player that didn't know where the shotclock was? Other than to belittle his player to the public.

Like that writer said way back who I don't remeber his name. There were no good guys in the larry brown saga last season. But bottom line. Larry Brown quit on this team before his team quit on him..

Now do I blame Larry Brown soley for losing last season. No way. But he was a huge part of it. It seems like the same people that judged the team by results. Only judge Larry Brown on circumstance. But yet don't want to hear about anyone elses circumstances.

Did Brown not play David Lee even though he was one of our best players last season?? Yes or no? I don't want to hear that he was just a rookie. That as you guys would say is an EXCUSE.
Did Brown not soley use the media to take subtle and indirect shots at his team?? Yes or no?
Did Brown not play with 40 different lineups?? Yes or no?
Did Brown not start Malik Rose at SF when he had better options?? Yes or no?

I don't blame Brown for Eddie Curry last season. He just wasn't ready. Though Brown should have let him play more through fouls. But thats that old impatient stubborness in him. Q was also playing horrible last season.

And the Francis trade was Brown. You guys can lie to yourselves but it was Brown who sold Isiah on that trade. But of course we should give Brown a free pass, and blame Isiah for making the trade. Since we support Brown and don't support Isiah. Dolan just made everything up about him begging for Francis and then not playing him.

What I learned from this board from the Brown sagga is we only care about chemistry and moral and being politically correct when its goes against someone we don't support. When someone we support does it then none of it matters.

In the end if Larry Brown would have won with us doing the exact same things he did. I wouldn't have cared about his tactics. I don't hate Brown or even dislike him. I just don't like how he approached coaching this team last season.

Now that's what I call a "WORD":



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12/28/2006  4:26 PM
bip...why are you rude?
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12/28/2006  4:30 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

bip...why are you rude?

Rude is not accurate. I prefer intense, forthright, aggressive, borish, upfront, witty, loud and obnoxious. But rude is very innacurate.
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12/28/2006  4:41 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by babyKnicks:

bip...why are you rude?

Rude is not accurate. I prefer intense, forthright, aggressive, borish, upfront, witty, loud and obnoxious. But rude is very innacurate.

I was thinking serial killer (or cereal killer?), but we'll go with the above list.
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12/28/2006  4:42 PM
I did have cereal this morning so their may be something to what you say.
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12/28/2006  4:53 PM
If Larry didn't like the team, he shouldn't have agreed to coach it. He is a phony after the money like everyone else. Yet he passes himself off like some sort of basketball purist in it for the love of the game.
I hope no one believes Isiah would hire LB trying to see him fail, in the hopes that he could take over the team he created and coach it better. Now that is some sort of conspiracy theory.
The fact is the Knicks are better than last year. The HOF coach didn't do his job. Isiah was right in saying the players he acquired are not THAT bad.
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12/28/2006  5:07 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

If Larry didn't like the team, he shouldn't have agreed to coach it. He is a phony after the money like everyone else. Yet he passes himself off like some sort of basketball purist in it for the love of the game.
I hope no one believes Isiah would hire LB trying to see him fail, in the hopes that he could take over the team he created and coach it better. Now that is some sort of conspiracy theory.
The fact is the Knicks are better than last year. The HOF coach didn't do his job. Isiah was right in saying the players he acquired are not THAT bad.

Conspiracy theory. Who mentioned conspiracy theory? Who said that Isiah hired him to see him fail? Isiah wanted him to succeed more than anyone, but that's not the point. The point is the heat was on Isiah. He needed a buzz like all NY Gm's need a buzz to save their jobs from time to time. LB was available. Isiah did not care if LB fit the team or not. He saw the name and he knew it would create this buzz so he went for it. He then sat back and prayed that LB would make a miracle out of this oil and water mixture.

LB did not want to coach this roster and if he were inhuman he would have turned it down. But he was paid 75 bazillion dollars to coach the team and he took it like 100% of coaches would. His goal at that point was to take control of the team by undermining Isiah and then reshape the roster the way he saw fit. He thought his career record was enough to knock Isiah out of power and let him take over. I personally think in most worlds it would have. But he miscalculated Dolan's loyalty and lost. End of story. He made a power play and lost. I personally was not rooting for Isiah or LB. I thought in the situation we were in, a proven winner was teh way to go. LB is gone and I still t hink a proven winner is the way to go. I didn't want to root for anyone. I want a GM and coach on the same page and do not care who they are. I don't root for the GM or coach. I root for the team. Unfortunately we are in an organizational situation where we root for guys that don't play. It's silly.

Not sure where the notion of conspiracy theories comes from. I have never even seen this suggested. Not even by the biggest Isiah haters.



[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-28-2006 5:08 PM]

[Edited by - bippity10 on 12-28-2006 5:09 PM]
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12/28/2006  6:08 PM
The thing that is stark about how bad a job LB did, is that he made almost no attempt to adjust his gameplan to his players. You see how Isiah has made adjustments to his original scheme to fit what this team has shown is their strength. Now we're going inside more and we're using Steph's naturall skills more. You can see he's adjusted to using big lineups after he saw that it was working. He used the Zone when it was working. All these adjustments are things we NEVER saw LB do. In fact he seemed to almost stop using his head after a while. Isiah at least came in with a confident mood in camp and has continued to remain positive and supportive of the players. Even tho the record isn't that great yet, the team is showing real improvement.

Now all of this LB bashing isn't to absolve the players from what they didn't do, but as far as creating an environment for these players to succeed, LB didn't do that. He assumed that this team sucked when it didn't and Isiah is proving that you can improve these players and get them to play better. He's been FAR more successful in reaching these guys. I just want to see this team continue to grow together and improve.
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12/28/2006  6:11 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

bip...why are you rude?

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12/28/2006  8:50 PM
nixluva: That's the point. LB wanted to win a championship and he did not feel he could win one with this core. Was he right or wrong? That of course remains to be seen.

But the bottome line is you and I and many on this board have watched basketball for a long, long time. When we get rid of our personal bias and just pay attention we will notice the same things occur over an over again. And one of those things is that disciplinarian coaches want to coach THEIR PLAYERS. We all know this. Anyone want to dispute this???? That's what LB wanted to do. Was it wrong the way he handled this team? Yes. Did he do the job he was hired to do? No. but we knew what we were getting. If an idiot like me could see it a month before the season than Isiah saw it. We all saw the Olympics. We knew LB and Marbs would not get along. But Isiah went forward with the hire anyway. Why? because of the buzz. In no way did it fit into his long-term plan. But LB was available and just like JJ and Jalen and Stevie Isiah delayed and undercut his own "plan" in order to create a buzz. It was a bad hire, a bad coaching job and a gutless performance by the players. A wasted year for the fans.
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12/28/2006  9:01 PM
Your theory about a buzz I think is completely wrong...No one hires a coach for 50 mil to "create a buzz"...LB was off a Championship and was touted as the best mind in the game...Thats what Isiah wanted for the team..Thats what I wanted for the team...LB could have worked out if he decided he wanted to coach the team but he changed his mind in training camp...

[Edited by - holfresh on 12-28-2006 9:02 PM]
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