Posted by holfresh:


Blue, not to prolong this a argument, but I can name about 15-20 teams that went that route and hasn't won anything in 10 years...We have gone back and forth on this, the holy grail isn't breaking it down and building through the draft...in previous post i have named about 6 or 7 recent teams that have done it through trades as well...I wish Martin and Andrew had a recent post feature..

Player            Annual Salary  Yrs   Contract Amt    Contract Thru
Houston, Allan    $ 15,937,500    6    $ 100,410,000   2006-07
McDyess, Antonio  $ 13,500,000    6    $ 67,500,000    2003-04
Van Horn, Keith   $ 13,279,000    6    $ 73,000,000    2005-06 (p)
Anderson, Shandon $ 6,700,000     6    $ 42,000,000    2006-07
Ward, Charlie     $ 6,030,000     6    $ 28,000,000    2003-04
Eisley, Howard    $ 5,845,000     7    $ 41,000,000    2006-07 (team option)
Weatherspoon      $ 5,446,000     5    $ 27,230,000    2005-06
Thomas, Kurt      $ 5,394,000     3    $ 13,000,000    2003-04 (p)
Mutombo, Dikembe  $ 4,000,000     2    $ 8,500,000     2004-05
Harrington        $ 2,925,500     7    $ 17,330,000    2004-05
Sweetney, Mike    $ 1,840,000     4    $ 8,630,000     2006-07 (team option)
Doleac, Michael   $ 1,500,000     2    $ 3,000,000     2004-05
Williams, Frank   $ 894,960       4    $ 4,410,000     2005-06 (t)
Lampe, Maciej     $ 865,000       3    $ 2,900,000     2005-06
Vranes, Slavko    $ 366,931       1    $ 366,931       2003-04

Total             $ 84,523,891

Posted by misterearl:

Definately a coincidence. Layden had four years, just in case you're counting.

Just for the record Isles, How many years did Al Bianchi get?

[Edited by - misterearl on 12-20-2006 10:30 AM]

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by BlueSeats:

fresh, what was the specific mandate?

Trade away draft picks?
Build around whiners?
Bloat the payroll?
Hire/fire a coach per year?
Allow a HOF coach none of his own assistants while requiring the other to carry the most in league history?
Sexually harass the marketing director?
Blame the fans?
Make the playoffs?

What was the mandate, and which part did and didn't Isiah fulfill on?

The mandate was stated in an early press conference where Isiah said we would rebuild, Dolan interrupted and said we would make the playoffs...Dolan wanted a team that would make the playoffs at all cost...Isiah, being an employee of Dolan has to acquiesce to the owner demands...So here we are trying to rebuild with young players, Isiah job is in jeopardy because we don't have a playoff team on the floor...Funny thing is everyone is happy with the young players...Give him time to develop these players, never, but we want to rebuild...

OK... so if the mandate was to make the playoffs (probably every owner's mandate) what did ISiah do to give us a chance there? Why did he spend enormous amounts of money on guys who have never been to the playoffs? If your mandate was to make the playoffs would you build a team entirely around guys who have never won in this league?

Keep spinning. There are 20 other teams who's young core of talent is just as good as ours. No matter what the mandate was our GM has failed miserably.

Are you serious???..we had 8 or 9 guys on the roster that are no longer in the NBA three years removed...How on earth do you turn a roster like that into talent to make the playoffs the next year or two...How is that ever possible if you want to be fair...

great point... glad you brought it up. How does a team of Eisley, Houston, Sprewell, Shandon, Harrington, KT, Spoon and Doleac play better basketball than anything Isiah has put together? Thats the team the year before Layden was fired.

Don Chaney was 15-24 before Isiah canned him. Hey thats .384 which is pretty much exactly what Isiah's winning % is here. Meanwhile after spending half a billion dollars Isiah is struggling to mirror Don Chaney's success in the win column.

Who on this team is anywhere near as good as Spree nand Houston?

Posted by misterearl:

TMS - you REALLY think New York basketball fans would accept three years of Isiah putting his feet on his desk, or would would prefer him, or any team president, to aggressively pursue deals?



"bashing the guy for not making any moves over that (three year) span?"

that is an understatement

"KNICKS CBA SQUAD AN INSULT TO NEW YORKERS"

"ISIAH FIDDLES WHILE NEW YORKERS BURN"

"MR DO-NOTHING"

get real

Posted by misterearl:

basically if he had done nothing at all & just collected his paycheck while signing D-league players to minimum contracts & drafting players, this team would've been under the salary cap after this season.

TMS - you REALLY think New York basketball fans would accept three years of Isiah putting his feet on his desk, or would would prefer him, or any team president, to aggressively pursue deals?



"bashing the guy for not making any moves over that (three year) span?"

that is an understatement

"KNICKS CBA SQUAD AN INSULT TO NEW YORKERS"

"ISIAH FIDDLES WHILE NEW YORKERS BURN"

"MR DO-NOTHING"

get real

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by holfresh:


Blue, not to prolong this a argument, but I can name about 15-20 teams that went that route and hasn't won anything in 10 years...We have gone back and forth on this, the holy grail isn't breaking it down and building through the draft...in previous post i have named about 6 or 7 recent teams that have done it through trades as well...I wish Martin and Andrew had a recent post feature..

really? I bet for every one you can name I can name two that have used that method to turn their team around.

Again, your making my point for me. Dont you think there is a reason so many teams at least *try* to do it? Its because all the winning organizations are fiscally responsible and have built this way. There isnt one team in the history of the sport thats has won a title buy just taking on tons of big cast of contracts. Hell, good luck finding any team that does that and even wins.

The closest examples to free spending you can find are Portland (how did that work out?) and Dallas. Dallas only did it after Dirk became an established star worth building around.

Portland did it when they were already a playoff team, and if anything it set them back and spelled a horrible time to come.

Detroit Piston won through trades and signings...Lakers won three championships through trades and signing....Suns was able to turn it around through trades and signings...Indiana built its team through trades and signings...New Jersey built it's team through trades...Miami won because of Shaq(trade)....Sacramento had a nice run ( trades)....

Posted by misterearl:
The people who originally loved the Marbury deal, have turned faster than a doberman pinscher on crack