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Solace
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12/19/2006  7:58 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:

Yep, funny part is, look at this deal, Philly only needed two picks because they couldn't get an expiring out of anyone.

We probably could've given them Jalen Rose and a pick (or maybe Nate) and gotten AI. Not saying I would want Francis, Marbury and AI on the same team, but just sayin'.

Also, I bet TMS doesn't like the trade for Philly. He seems to hold Iverson a bit higher than most.

Solace, read my response above to answer your question... & i don't think i'm overrating Iverson when i say he's 1 of the top 3 SG's in the game... i think most of you are underrating him when you think of him as just some low FG% shooter who only gets his points because of his many shot attempts... he's alot more than that, & i bet if you asked any Philly hoops fan who watch him play everyday the same question they'd tell u the same thing.

as for what we probably could've gotten Iverson for, Jalen Rose's expiring contract & a late 1st round pick isn't even close to Andre Miller & 2 1st rounders, come on now... it's a moot point anyway because Dolan doesn't want to add any more albatross contracts, & rightly so... no use in complaining about it.

I wasn't knocking you, just pointing out that you were higher on Iverson than most. I still think, generally, you win with a great big man first, and a great guard is secondary or tertiary.

As for our ability to get Iverson, I think we could've used the expiring (what Philly wanted more than anything) and 1-2 picks and it would've been a better deal from Philly's perspective. I agree, though, that trading for Iverson would've been insane, given our cap situation and roster, so it's fairly moot.
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12/19/2006  8:32 PM
Posted by MS:

at least there chuckers bring something different to the table, they have a slasher and the best midrange shooter in the nba, one can play two guard positions and the other can't be stopped, actually you are not stopping either or them, and you can't double ai now because camby and nene can finish inside and melo with nail the jumper......

whereas we have the same player 5'7-6'5 that plays the same position that needs to constanly have the ball and they all look for their own shot......not giving up on steph yet he can still salvage himself

Rip hamilton is the best mid range shooter in the NBA. But Marshmello is definitely among them, his shot is water.
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12/19/2006  8:37 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by efw:

The nuggets now have the league's top two scorers on the team. Explain to me how that's going to work out.


trying to figure that one out myself

I think this is a disaster for Denver. I'm not much of an AI fan to begin with but I think pairing him up with Carmelo is a bad choice. For that roster, I wouldn't have traded Andre Miller for AI straight up. Including the 2 first rd picks makes it a disaster.
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12/19/2006  9:42 PM
The AI and Melo thing won't last to long. They are going to get on each other nerves very quickly. AI like his shots and it doesn't matter where he is or who he is playing with. Melo will become insecure that he is losing the its my team thing to AI. I can just see Karl crying in a corner somewhere in the Pepsi Center befor the season is out.
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12/19/2006  9:57 PM
they made this trade at this time because of the suspensions, and any leverage they may have had before fight, they lost when Melo was out for 15 games, that was gonna definitely put them out of the playoffs. they needed to make the trade right now and could not afford to wait. George Karls idiodicy cost them some leverage. AI aint worth 2 #1 picks, he isn't young, but he is great. He'll excel out there, they will run the scoree up on alot of teams.
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12/19/2006  10:16 PM
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12/19/2006  10:29 PM
Posted by Vmart:

The AI and Melo thing won't last to long. They are going to get on each other nerves very quickly. AI like his shots and it doesn't matter where he is or who he is playing with. Melo will become insecure that he is losing the its my team thing to AI. I can just see Karl crying in a corner somewhere in the Pepsi Center befor the season is out.

when ivey start pulling melo's market is where things may get ugly on the court.......may the best ego lose
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12/19/2006  11:12 PM
LOL @ people on this forum talking about A.I.'s lack of ball distribution and constantly talking about him jacking up shots. Here is a guy the past 3 yrs has avg 7.5ast/gm and this is with no other major scoring threats on his team. He was actually Top 3 in ast the first half of the 04/05 season. And get this, point gaurd really isn't even his natural position, he's clearly a shooting gaurd. He's going to cut it up in Denver once he learns what Karl wants him to do.
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12/19/2006  11:18 PM
01 ECF: Sam + Ray + Robinson with TT as 6th man...

Karl can coach a trio of riflemen plus a 6th who likes to pull in Earl
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12/19/2006  11:23 PM
Posted by McK1:

01 ECF: Sam + Ray + Robinson with TT as 6th man...

Karl can coach a trio of riflemen plus a 6th who likes to pull in Earl

yup. i think denver is getting a motivated iverson ready to do major damage (kind of like vince to nj). this is a very good trade for denver. this is a great trade for philly. especially if they parlay dre miller to atlanta for some of their youth or picks.
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12/19/2006  11:29 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by McK1:

01 ECF: Sam + Ray + Robinson with TT as 6th man...

Karl can coach a trio of riflemen plus a 6th who likes to pull in Earl

yup. i think denver is getting a motivated iverson ready to do major damage (kind of like vince to nj). this is a very good trade for denver. this is a great trade for philly. especially if they parlay dre miller to atlanta for some of their youth or picks.


That's where I can agree with you Philly somewhat made a lateral move...... until they make another move. They have flexibility to do something more. Then again looking at your Vince example, where is Toronto headed? Also let's not forget the fact Denver could parlay A.I. into something if it happens to be just a flash in the pan trade for them.
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12/19/2006  11:35 PM
i think we're kind of seeing what lb wanted to do with marbury/francis.

since denver had interest, it looks like we may have moved francis/marbury for dre miller + evans or something like that.

and is probably why isiah didn't make that deal this summer.
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12/20/2006  12:09 AM
Posted by Solace:
I wasn't knocking you, just pointing out that you were higher on Iverson than most. I still think, generally, you win with a great big man first, and a great guard is secondary or tertiary.

no, i know you weren't knocking me bro... just stating my case that i don't think i'm overrating AI... he's a special talent that doesn't come along very often... i think he doesn't get nearly the credit that he deserves for his skills as a basketball player.

& i agree w/u about winning w/a great big man first... but neither the Nugget package or the one you suggested the Knicks might have offered doesn't involve any great bigmen anyway unless they can draft 1 using the picks they get, & the Nuggets are giving Philly 2 1st rounders, not 1 (i don't think the Knicks should be dealing away any more 1st rounders unless we're getting back a young player just hitting his prime w/star quality)


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12/20/2006  3:04 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by efw:

The nuggets now have the league's top two scorers on the team. Explain to me how that's going to work out.


trying to figure that one out myself



I think this is a disaster for Denver. I'm not much of an AI fan to begin with but I think pairing him up with Carmelo is a bad choice. For that roster, I wouldn't have traded Andre Miller for AI straight up. Including the 2 first rd picks makes it a disaster.

right if you're going to have 2 top scorers it better be one perimeter player and one bigman. It's not like they have Jordan/Pippen. They have two top scorers who dominate the ball

Denver will be a playoff team every year but they'll never make it to the finals. KG & AI would've but Philly was smart to take the 2 picks from Denver

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 12-20-2006 03:11 AM]
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12/20/2006  8:11 AM
AI has been in the league for a long time, he's made it to the finals but realized that he alone wasn't enough to get it done.

Now if he wants to try and win it all , he's gonna have to practice what LB taught him in philly.

And that is try to make your teammates better so oppossing teams won't key on you alone.

I see Iverson and Mello put so much pressure on oppossing teams defense that it could get ugly.

The real issue will be their teammates !

Will they want to hustle and do all the dirty work without scoring much.

So back to my point , if A I decides to be a distributer to get his teammates involved this team could be awesome.

[Edited by - playa2 on 01-03-2007 01:18]
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12/20/2006  10:05 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i think we're kind of seeing what lb wanted to do with marbury/francis.

since denver had interest, it looks like we may have moved francis/marbury for dre miller + evans or something like that.

and is probably why isiah didn't make that deal this summer.

what deal?
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12/20/2006  10:10 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:

i think we're kind of seeing what lb wanted to do with marbury/francis.

since denver had interest, it looks like we may have moved francis/marbury for dre miller + evans or something like that.

and is probably why isiah didn't make that deal this summer.

what deal?

just an assumption on my part. but since this deal had lb's hands all over it, then francis being brought here could've been a conduit to getting dre + someone like reggie. and isiah probably was holding out to clear the guard glut and wanted a big man.
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12/20/2006  10:11 AM
I dunno. THis maybe like in soaps when the dream scenes look just like the regular ones, but there is fog every where. DJ where is the fog man!!!!!!!!!
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12/20/2006  10:20 AM
Karl is the last coach i would want to have try and make these 2 huge egos work.... He is a drama queen *****
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12/20/2006  2:59 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by McK1:

01 ECF: Sam + Ray + Robinson with TT as 6th man...

Karl can coach a trio of riflemen plus a 6th who likes to pull in Earl

yup. i think denver is getting a motivated iverson ready to do major damage (kind of like vince to nj). this is a very good trade for denver. this is a great trade for philly. especially if they parlay dre miller to atlanta for some of their youth or picks.
That's not the sign of a true hall-of-famer (or a player I'd give up a good PG and 2 1st rounders for). A true hall-of-famer just needs a basketball and a hoop to be motivated.
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