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12/14/2006  2:50 PM
So the criticism of Curry being out of shape for the previous years doesn't make you a pessimist. It just makes you observant.
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12/14/2006  3:02 PM
My take on Curry is that he absolutely needs to lose some body fat and increase lean muscle.


Now the question is -- is Curry the Center version of Marbury?

Well yes and no.

His defense is average at best, like Marbury's, and his offense sometimes comes at the expense of others.


But where Curry differes from Marbury is in 2 areas ---

AGE and DEMEANOR


He's only 24, and not even in his prime, meaning he has atleast another year or two to get in even better shape and improve his passing and shotblocking.

He's also not a cancer and doesn't alienate teammates. I think if Curry is to be a keeper we need to see him get in game shape, and building a Tex Winter triangle off. around him.

For that to work you need role players that can shoot the 3, and defer to him all while playing defense and rebounding.


Qrich is our Rick Fox.

Jefferies is an excellent piece, sort of like a Horry or Haslem.

Lee is 6th man of the year material.

Crawford has triangle experience.

What you need to do is get rid of all the 1-on-1 chuckers like Francis and Marbury.




DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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12/15/2006  5:40 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

you know there's another side of the court right? and we're now 5-6 since curry's first game of the 20 point streak.

but the point is that we could've had curry AND the #2 pick. i think that's what everybody has a problem with.

there's no way of knowing that, only bitter revisionism. a month ago, people were gloating that they'd rather have Tyrus than Curry. revise, revise, revise.

And a month ago people were basing it on a fat, out of shape, unconfident Curry. Noone saw this coming, and Curry has changed basically over night. How can you put people down for something like that? (And personally, like I said before-we may not have picked Ty Thomas. Would you feel better of the comparison if the Bulls picked Roye or Foye(because honestly, that is who we probably would have picked)?

Trying to nail people who thought that a month ago is like nailing people who thought Michael Jackson wasn't an alien after you just witnessed him get beamed up to his mother ship(well, maybe that sn't THAT much of a stretch)

Anywho, this Curry thing surprised everyone. 95% of the people on this baord thought Curry had alot of potential and was capable of doing stuff like this. Noone saw any reason to expect it, though.

Hey Joe,

What the deal?

How much credit do you give Isiah for Curry's dramatic improvement?

oohah

Alot, because apparently, Isiah kicked his boy toy Steph to the curb and is making him be satisfied with just starting. A guy as big as Curry is not a running offense guy. A guy like Boris Diaw at center is a running offense guy. I give Isiah credit for playing to Curry, and Steph's strengths (more of a set, half court offense with the option to run only if the opportunity presents itself).

What i really want to know is what flipped the switch. on Curry. His body looks noticably different from only a month ago. His attitude (and I love this new one) is great for him.

Isiah may have made this switch because nothing else was working-he did it because he had to, not necessarily because he wanted to, but that is PURE speculation-and the bottom line is he did it.

Curry is looking great, and now he is blocking some shots too(and he is blocking some shots with his left hand which is interesting). I will be absolutely fine if Curry contnues to play like this, because I can see his defense inproving quite a bit.
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12/15/2006  5:45 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:

How can you put people down for something like that?
You can, because when the same people were asking the pessimists to have more patience, they were being laughed at and "put down."


In context, the quote was:

And a month ago people were basing it on a fat, out of shape, unconfident Curry. Noone saw this coming, and Curry has changed basically over night. How can you put people down for something like that? (And personally, like I said before-we may not have picked Ty Thomas. Would you feel better of the comparison if the Bulls picked Roye or Foye(because honestly, that is who we probably would have picked)?

Trying to nail people who thought that a month ago is like nailing people who thought Michael Jackson wasn't an alien after you just witnessed him get beamed up to his mother ship(well, maybe that sn't THAT much of a stretch)

Anywho, this Curry thing surprised everyone. 95% of the people on this baord thought Curry had alot of potential and was capable of doing stuff like this. Noone saw any reason to expect it, though.

Don't make it sound like the "pessimists" were the only ones insulting people and putting people down, Silver. It looked for a while everyone was just attacking everyone.

There were guys that wanted to give Curry more time-who overlooked the 5 years he spent in the league, and all his history and there were guys who saw Curry had potential but had not seen any real improvement over 5 years. Obviously, the former is recently paying off.

But did you really expect Curry to turn it around as quickly as he did and become a dominant force almost overnight? Noone could have expected this to happen almost literally over night. Are we forgetting how bad Curry looked at the begining of the season?
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12/15/2006  5:47 AM
Posted by misterearl:

I thought Eddy Curry was the same player he was last year

Now I'm confused

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12/15/2006  5:54 AM
Posted by misterearl:

where are the people who described Curry as lazy?

Just because you get in shape doens't mean at one time you weren't fat and lazy.

What is it with you trying to call people out, all of a sudden?

Something flipped a switch in Curry and for the past month he has been a beast. That doesn't mean for the past 4 years (take away his contract year because he was motivated) he wasn't fat and lazy. It just means he's not fat and lazy now.
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12/15/2006  6:23 AM
Posted by joec32033:

Noone saw this coming, and Curry has changed basically over night.
Joe, I remember this being a little different. I will try and look this thread up but people were ready to trade him for Sam Dalembert and I believe you were one of them. Others told me Curry will always be the same player, TT like, all the talent but no motivation. At that time, if someone argued saying Curry has the potential and requires another chance most would not listen.

Yes, no one expected him to put up all-star numbers over night but I expected 16 and 8 from him and wanted to keep him. So you are telling people to back off because of 20 point games but let me tell you, any consistency from him would change minds. There were people that expect him to become consistent but the gloom and doom crew did not expect that from him.
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12/15/2006  6:24 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by misterearl:

where are the people who described Curry as lazy?
Just because you get in shape doens't mean at one time you weren't fat and lazy.
I remember people saying he will always be lazy. I remember it clearly. He isn't being lazy right now so misterearl wants to know where THOSE people are that said he will always be lazy.
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12/15/2006  6:51 AM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

you know there's another side of the court right? and we're now 5-6 since curry's first game of the 20 point streak.

but the point is that we could've had curry AND the #2 pick. i think that's what everybody has a problem with.

there's no way of knowing that, only bitter revisionism. a month ago, people were gloating that they'd rather have Tyrus than Curry. revise, revise, revise.

And a month ago people were basing it on a fat, out of shape, unconfident Curry. Noone saw this coming, and Curry has changed basically over night. How can you put people down for something like that? (And personally, like I said before-we may not have picked Ty Thomas. Would you feel better of the comparison if the Bulls picked Roye or Foye(because honestly, that is who we probably would have picked)?

Trying to nail people who thought that a month ago is like nailing people who thought Michael Jackson wasn't an alien after you just witnessed him get beamed up to his mother ship(well, maybe that sn't THAT much of a stretch)

Anywho, this Curry thing surprised everyone. 95% of the people on this baord thought Curry had alot of potential and was capable of doing stuff like this. Noone saw any reason to expect it, though.

Hey Joe,

What the deal?

How much credit do you give Isiah for Curry's dramatic improvement?

oohah

Alot, because apparently, Isiah kicked his boy toy Steph to the curb and is making him be satisfied with just starting. A guy as big as Curry is not a running offense guy. A guy like Boris Diaw at center is a running offense guy. I give Isiah credit for playing to Curry, and Steph's strengths (more of a set, half court offense with the option to run only if the opportunity presents itself).

What i really want to know is what flipped the switch. on Curry. His body looks noticably different from only a month ago. His attitude (and I love this new one) is great for him.

Isiah may have made this switch because nothing else was working-he did it because he had to, not necessarily because he wanted to, but that is PURE speculation-and the bottom line is he did it.

Curry is looking great, and now he is blocking some shots too(and he is blocking some shots with his left hand which is interesting). I will be absolutely fine if Curry contnues to play like this, because I can see his defense inproving quite a bit.

I respect the fact you give IT the credit no matter what the motivation was. I think they are mixing up the uptempo and half-court style pretty well, and with Jeffries arrival I expect to see more pressure defense.

oohah

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12/15/2006  9:48 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by misterearl:

where are the people who described Curry as lazy?
Just because you get in shape doens't mean at one time you weren't fat and lazy.
I remember people saying he will always be lazy. I remember it clearly. He isn't being lazy right now so misterearl wants to know where THOSE people are that said he will always be lazy.

Then MisterEarl should bookmark the posts where people say this instead of speculating.
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12/15/2006  9:54 AM
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=17279

This is the Scouting report post about Curry that I started before the season began. Below was Bips assessment.

strengths: One on one is impossible to guard. Can overpower any center in the league. Very strong and agile for a man his size, matched only by a young Shaq. Soft hands.
Weaknesses: Same theme as the rest of the team, his head gets in the way of all his promise. May not love the game. Every year it's the same theme, poor passing, bad fouls, out of shape etc. Game after game it's the same complaints. Once again he is his own worst enemy. CAn fix all his flaws in a heartbeat if he decides to focus. Needs a PG to nurture him. Slow motor. Rebounding is embarrassing for a man his size. Struggles to finish after contact. All his strengths seem to be on the offensive end. Does none of the little things that lead to winning
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12/15/2006  1:50 PM
Curry is finally starting to take a step foward. He's making commitments to things he should have been doing his entire career and it's only starting now.

Earlier, the criticism of Eddie Curry was completely justifiable. It really seemed like there was no light at the end of his tunnel because his problems just weren't being addressed. His offensive fouls at the beginning of the season looked like an endless problem. His defense was and still is soft (Though he's blocking shots a little more so that's good) and he wasn't passing.

It's crazy how people got ridiculed for the criticism of Curry too and it's nuts that some of the people on this board get insulted if other people aren't in love with Curry.

And though it's great that he's playing well now, he needs to continue making the commitment and he needs to D up. I'm not sipping the Curry Kool Aid until he does this against good and bad teams and improves his defense.
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12/15/2006  5:41 PM
Joe, I remember this being a little different. I will try and look this thread up but people were ready to trade him for Sam Dalembert and I believe you were one of them. Others told me Curry will always be the same player, TT like, all the talent but no motivation. At that time, if someone argued saying Curry has the potential and requires another chance most would not listen.

I was one of them but I also said every time I said I would trade Curry instead of Frye, that I would hate to give up Curry's potential, but I would rather have Frye's stability and decent stats over Curry's high potential but wildly fluctuating inconsistency. Point being, they guys who wanted to wait on Curry are looking like they are correct, and everyone (except maybe Isles) wants Curry to keep doing his thing.
Yes, no one expected him to put up all-star numbers over night but I expected 16 and 8 from him and wanted to keep him.

I expected that from him, also, because he normally averages 16 and 6 and half a block.
23 pts, 10 rebs and 1.5 blks is a big jump.

So you are telling people to back off because of 20 point games but let me tell you, any consistency from him would change minds. There were people that expect him to become consistent but the gloom and doom crew did not expect that from him.
Whose telling people to back off? I am wondering what all the I tols you so's are about, especilly from the poster I origionally quoted when no one expected this to happen, almost literally over night. Most of the people on this board said Curry is capable of big numbers when motivated correctly(I am one of them, Bip-who posted for himself before is another).

So all of a sudden, now Curry finds motivation and does well, puts up numbers alot of this forum believed he could put up znd all of a sudden everyone is doubting Curry's talent? And the argument that anyone who doubted Curry's motivation in the past has to be called out?

Silver Curry WAS a fat, lazy slob 2 months ago. Now there is a noticable difference in him. That doesn't mean the people who labeled him 2 months ago were wrong. It means Curry if finally getting it and is motivated now.
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12/15/2006  5:44 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by djsunyc:

you know there's another side of the court right? and we're now 5-6 since curry's first game of the 20 point streak.

but the point is that we could've had curry AND the #2 pick. i think that's what everybody has a problem with.

there's no way of knowing that, only bitter revisionism. a month ago, people were gloating that they'd rather have Tyrus than Curry. revise, revise, revise.

And a month ago people were basing it on a fat, out of shape, unconfident Curry. Noone saw this coming, and Curry has changed basically over night. How can you put people down for something like that? (And personally, like I said before-we may not have picked Ty Thomas. Would you feel better of the comparison if the Bulls picked Roye or Foye(because honestly, that is who we probably would have picked)?

Trying to nail people who thought that a month ago is like nailing people who thought Michael Jackson wasn't an alien after you just witnessed him get beamed up to his mother ship(well, maybe that sn't THAT much of a stretch)

Anywho, this Curry thing surprised everyone. 95% of the people on this baord thought Curry had alot of potential and was capable of doing stuff like this. Noone saw any reason to expect it, though.

Hey Joe,

What the deal?

How much credit do you give Isiah for Curry's dramatic improvement?

oohah

Alot, because apparently, Isiah kicked his boy toy Steph to the curb and is making him be satisfied with just starting. A guy as big as Curry is not a running offense guy. A guy like Boris Diaw at center is a running offense guy. I give Isiah credit for playing to Curry, and Steph's strengths (more of a set, half court offense with the option to run only if the opportunity presents itself).

What i really want to know is what flipped the switch. on Curry. His body looks noticably different from only a month ago. His attitude (and I love this new one) is great for him.

Isiah may have made this switch because nothing else was working-he did it because he had to, not necessarily because he wanted to, but that is PURE speculation-and the bottom line is he did it.

Curry is looking great, and now he is blocking some shots too(and he is blocking some shots with his left hand which is interesting). I will be absolutely fine if Curry contnues to play like this, because I can see his defense inproving quite a bit.

I respect the fact you give IT the credit no matter what the motivation was. I think they are mixing up the uptempo and half-court style pretty well, and with Jeffries arrival I expect to see more pressure defense.

oohah

I am still dying for a lineup up of Crawford/Q/Jefferies/Lee/Curry, but I would settle for Marbuy instead of Craw because of Isiah's manlove for him.

I like the offense they are running. But I think the MOST positive thing these past 3 weeks or whatever is Curry and even more impressive is his blocks over the past week.
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12/15/2006  7:03 PM
(you will see how this applies) We both know Curry didn't get all the opportunities under LB and early on under Zeke.
Posted by joec32033:

Silver Curry WAS a fat, lazy slob 2 months ago. Now there is a noticable difference in him. That doesn't mean the people who labeled him 2 months ago were wrong. It means Curry if finally getting it and is motivated now.
It means being patient is a good thing. Give this team some time, don't be overly pessimistic about everything until you are 100% sure its not going to work. So there was nothing wrong with waiting and letting things take their course. So stop going after people (example: Silverfuel) who want to be optimistic.

And about the "told you so": we are all guilty of it so take it easy on the
I am wondering what all the I tols you so's are about
P.S: Just imagine, we could've had a front line of Bynum and Tyrus Thomas, instead we are stuck with Curry & Lee. Eddy is going to have a crappy game sooner or later. I want to see how he bounces back from the crappy game. Can he be rattled? Who is going to foul him out? Is Camby going to shut him down?

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 12-15-2006 7:04 PM]
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It means being patient is a good thing. Give this team some time, don't be overly pessimistic about everything until you are 100% sure its not going to work. So there was nothing wrong with waiting and letting things take their course. So stop going after people (example: Silverfuel) who want to be optimistic.

Silver, I would be careful when telling people what battles to fight considering this very discussion was aimed at someone NOT named Silverfuel. You want to fight Earl's battles fine, but let's get one thing down, bro, I was talking to earl, not you. So please don't tell me who I am attacking. Not everyone has decided to call out people over the past day. If you don't like what is being said ion a conversation that started with nothing to do to you, you don't have to take part in it. Especially when you have absolutely no connection to the origional message.
And about the "told you so": we are all guilty of it so take it easy on the
I told you so's are ok when you actually can clearly say you are right without casting false accusations on a whole other group of people.
P.S: Just imagine, we could've had a front line of Bynum and Tyrus Thomas, instead we are stuck with Curry & Lee. Eddy is going to have a crappy game sooner or later. I want to see how he bounces back from the crappy game. Can he be rattled? Who is going to foul him out? Is Camby going to shut him down?
Actually we are "stuck" with Curry and Jefferies. Seriously, I started getting sold on something being different after Curry didn't put up a game of 5 pts. and 3 rebounds within the first 7 games of his streak.
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Posted by joec32033:
It means being patient is a good thing. Give this team some time, don't be overly pessimistic about everything until you are 100% sure its not going to work. So there was nothing wrong with waiting and letting things take their course. So stop going after people (example: Silverfuel) who want to be optimistic.

Silver, I would be careful when telling people what battles to fight considering this very discussion was aimed at someone NOT named Silverfuel. You want to fight Earl's battles fine, but let's get one thing down, bro, I was talking to earl, not you. So please don't tell me who I am attacking. Not everyone has decided to call out people over the past day. If you don't like what is being said ion a conversation that started with nothing to do to you, you don't have to take part in it. Especially when you have absolutely no connection to the origional message.
Just because it was replied to someone else doesn't mean it excludes me, especially since this is exactly what we have talked about over and over again. Its a forum, where people are supposed to post. I was going to say the same thing earl said but he beat me to it. You might as well have replied to me then. I told you not go after optimistic fans because you have mocked me for being optimistic about 1)Isiah, 2)Curry, 3)Jeffries, 4)Balkman, 5)Marbury etc. Picking your battles? What are you talking about? I was being frank without being rude, you are taking it to a different level. I'm going to post whenever I feel like it. You were telling me what Curry's resurgence means to you but you missed a very important part of it. Patience counts!
I told you so's are ok when you actually can clearly say you are right without casting false accusations on a whole other group of people.
You had a problem with Isiah's quotes! You had a problem with Eddy not trying. All of that has changed. You actually started a thread saying you were happy about an Isiah quote where he went after a player. I told you Isiah is saying different things behind closed doors! I told you he wont stay the same in the media all year! I TOLD YOU SO!! Ah, that does nothing for me. I guess you can keep saying it "when you actually can clearly say you are right without casting false accusations on a whole other group of people."
Actually we are "stuck" with Curry and Jefferies. Seriously, I started getting sold on something being different after Curry didn't put up a game of 5 pts. and 3 rebounds within the first 7 games of his streak.
I think Isiah will see that the best starting 5 has a frontline of Curry, Lee, JJSkinny and Q at the 2. I think around mid-Jan, Frye will be off the bench not in the starting 5. If he is in the starting 5 and does well, more power to 'em. Bottom line, right now, out frontline looks nice compared to Bynum + Tyrus. I'll take it. Where are you now guns?

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 12-15-2006 7:27 PM]
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right while I am arguing about this, curry picks up 2 fouls!! WTF!!

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 12-15-2006 7:34 PM]
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Just because it was replied to someone else doesn't mean it excludes me, especially since this is exactly what we have talked about over and over again. Its a forum, where people are supposed to post. I was going to say the same thing earl said but he beat me to it. You might as well have replied to me then. I told you not go after optimistic fans because you have mocked me for being optimistic about 1)Isiah, 2)Curry, 3)Jeffries, 4)Balkman, 5)Marbury etc. Picking your battles? What are you talking about? I was being frank without being rude, you are taking it to a different level. I'm going to post whenever I feel like it. You were telling me what Curry's resurgence means to you but you missed a very important part of it. Patience counts!
Ok, Silver, I'll Bite. Patience counts. Patience is the key. You should never cut your losses when you feel like it isn't working. Ask the Clippers how letting DMiles walk(not being patient), and the Blazers(who stuck with DMiles a long time) about patience. You can obviously turn it around and say Boston wasn't patient with Joe Johnson where as, PHX was. Point is it's a crap shot. It's different with everyone. My personal belief is to cut losses to early rather than too late. And that is the perspective I have always and will always look at it from.

As for the everything before the last sentence. My comments were directed at Earl directly. Nothing to do with you. All I told you was make sure you really know what's going on in a conversation before you start to take it persoanlly and assume people are talking about you. You aren't calling anyone out, earl is. I am more than happy to debate with you, but make sure we both know from what position and what argument we are actually debating about.
You had a problem with Isiah's quotes! You had a problem with Eddy not trying. All of that has changed. You actually started a thread saying you were happy about an Isiah quote where he went after a player. I TOLD YOU SO!! Ah, that does nothing for me. I guess you can keep saying it "when you actually can clearly say you are right without casting false accusations on a whole other group of people."

Earl: Where are all the people who said......now?

joec32033: I am happy Isiah finally is not babying these players.

Do you really not see a difference there?
I think Isiah will see that the best starting 5 has a frontline of Curry, Lee, JJSkinny and Q at the 2. I think around mid-Jan, Frye will be off the bench not in the starting 5. If he is in the starting 5 and does well, more power to 'em. Bottom line, right now, out frontline looks nice compared to Bynum + Tyrus. I'll take it. Where are you now guns?
I agree our front line looks nice. You are comparing it to Ty and Bynum, which I can see. However, in place of Curry, I really think I may want something along the lines of Brandon Roy, Marcus Williams, Bynum and Lee.

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Posted by Silverfuel:

right while I am arguing about this, curry picks up 2 fouls!! WTF!!

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 12-15-2006 7:34 PM]

LOL....this may be that game we have to see him bounce back from.
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