Posted by fishmike:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by TMS:

i think the biggest mistake we can make when discussing Eddy Curry is to bring up names like Shaq & Duncan... he is never going to be the defensive players or even the passers that those guys were... we need to be comparing Eddy Curry to the young centers that are active right now... other than Yao Ming, Dwight Howard & Jermaine O'Neal, i think Eddy's progressing to the point where we can compare him pretty favorably to the other top young C's in the game right now... that has to be pretty encouraging to even the most pessimistic Knick fan i would think.

for all the tons of posts people have made on this forum over the past few years over "stud can't miss centers" coming into the draft like Bogut, Bynum & Milicic, i'd say Eddy Curry's a pretty damn good up & coming center himself.

If Curry was on the Bulls averaging 25ppg and 9rpg over a long stretch, there'd be people here killing Isiah for never being able to get a player like Eddy.

not if the Bulls are winning 25 games a year. I dont see anyone around here wishing we had a player like Zach Randolph or Baron Davis or Corey Maggette. All we have on our roster is stat guys. Notice the fan favorites are the guys that just play hard and try to WIN.

since when are DLee, Qrich, Balkman, Jefferies stats guys? let's at least wait until JJ2 plays for a few weeks before we condemn this group. man.

Posted by Bippity10:

We have stat guys because our players don't compliment each other. In order for Curry's inside presence(non shotblocking) to become a major asset we need to find complimentary players. We need a shotblocking rebounder to make up for Curry's lack of shotblocking and inconsistent rebounding. We need a rugged defender to protect Eddie from foul trouble. We need shooters to stop other teams from double teaming. We need a PG that can settle the offense down and make sure Eddie Curry gets the ball in the right spots instead of forgetting about him for stretches of games. We need complimentary players. Until then Curry will put up a lot of points and we will be mediocre and wondering why Eddie can't win.

A versatile line-up that eliminates weaknesses is the only way to win. Why Isiah has not done this to date is baffling.

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Bippity10:

We have stat guys because our players don't compliment each other. In order for Curry's inside presence(non shotblocking) to become a major asset we need to find complimentary players. We need a shotblocking rebounder to make up for Curry's lack of shotblocking and inconsistent rebounding. We need a rugged defender to protect Eddie from foul trouble. We need shooters to stop other teams from double teaming. We need a PG that can settle the offense down and make sure Eddie Curry gets the ball in the right spots instead of forgetting about him for stretches of games. We need complimentary players. Until then Curry will put up a lot of points and we will be mediocre and wondering why Eddie can't win.

A versatile line-up that eliminates weaknesses is the only way to win. Why Isiah has not done this to date is baffling.

We and about 28 other teams need that...

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by Bippity10:

We have stat guys because our players don't compliment each other. In order for Curry's inside presence(non shotblocking) to become a major asset we need to find complimentary players. We need a shotblocking rebounder to make up for Curry's lack of shotblocking and inconsistent rebounding. We need a rugged defender to protect Eddie from foul trouble. We need shooters to stop other teams from double teaming. We need a PG that can settle the offense down and make sure Eddie Curry gets the ball in the right spots instead of forgetting about him for stretches of games. We need complimentary players. Until then Curry will put up a lot of points and we will be mediocre and wondering why Eddie can't win.

A versatile line-up that eliminates weaknesses is the only way to win. Why Isiah has not done this to date is baffling.

We and about 28 other teams need that...

Holfresh who cares about 28 other teams. Let's focus on what we need. Somehow every year a champion seems to figure it out. So instead of worrying about 28 other teams lets focus on us. Let's stop trading for "assets" and then cutting them and instead decide what type of team we are building and focus on getting players that fit that plan. No way anyone can tell me with the rosters we've had the past two years that we have had any type of plan. Now we have some young players that can play. Instead of saying it's too hard to build and that 28 other teams have a hard time building as well, let's focus on our current roster and what we can do to improve it.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by newyorknewyork:

TMS no matter what Isiah does. To Islesfan it won't be good enough. He just hates the guy with a passion.

If he never traded for Curry and drafted Ty Thomas and Ty Thomas was a superstar he would say well he did have the #2 pick and Ty Thomas fell to him. If he drafted Ty Thomas and Ty Thomas sucked. He would bash Isiahs drafting skills.

If this team turns into a good team and goes to the playoffs and wins a playoff series. He would say well he owes us since he made us suck for so long or something to that nature. Or say well the east is weak and this team really only got lucky. He doesn't care about being credible or objective so you can't win. If you hit him with any logical answers he will just ignore it and find the one post to pick on.

Yeah because I've been really wrong about Isiah since the very beginning. How's that for logic?

Well let me give you an example. When Isiah drafted David Lee you bashed Isiah that whole draft day and the next for drafting David Lee with the #30 pick. Now that you were wrong about Lee you keep quiet about that. But if David was bad you would be all over Isiah about that.

There is no forsight in your hate for Isiah. You just bash him and use the negative route for everysingle thing he does. Since he has lost more games than won you look smart. If he won more games than he lost you just would not post. Instead of rooting for his team.

You see under Isiah Eddie Curry improve his game after 5yrs in the league of being the same player and its getting you nervice that Isiah might do something good so you come up with this thread. Trying to spin Curry's improve game in a negative way towards Isiah. Now if Curry was never improving then you would be ripping Isiah for moving Ty Thomas & Sweetney and swapping picks right now.

You say that Curry's #s are only improved because he is the focal point. But anyone who watches these games without a biased eye can see how Curry's shooting touch has improved. How he stays away from lowering his shoulder and running people over. How he gets way better positioning than in the past. So to say that he only is playing better because he is getting more touches is stupid. He is getting more touches becuase he is playing better not the other way around. If he was still running people over and committing TOs you think our guards would be focusing on getting him the ball as much as they have?? It would be the same thing as last yr with the guards reluctant to get him the ball after the first quarter. Same problem he had in Chi.

Now let me ask you a question. When Layden was the GM you didn't post at all on the MSG boards. As soon as Isiah became GM you came out of nohwere bashing Isiah like you had a personal beef with him. So my question is what did Isiah do in Toronto & Indy as the GM/Coach that made you not like him as our gm before he made any moves?? He didn't have the trend of trading draftpicks for superstars like he did for Marbury. All he did was draft Stoudemire, Tmac & Camby. And helped retool Indy by acquiring J'Oneal, Al Harrington, Brad Miller, Ron Artest, Jamal Tinsley. So other than lead by hate what was your reasoning on not giving Isiah a chance before he made any moves??

[Edited by - newyorknewyork on 12-11-2006 6:31 PM]

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by TMS:

i think the biggest mistake we can make when discussing Eddy Curry is to bring up names like Shaq & Duncan... he is never going to be the defensive players or even the passers that those guys were... we need to be comparing Eddy Curry to the young centers that are active right now... other than Yao Ming, Dwight Howard & Jermaine O'Neal, i think Eddy's progressing to the point where we can compare him pretty favorably to the other top young C's in the game right now... that has to be pretty encouraging to even the most pessimistic Knick fan i would think.

for all the tons of posts people have made on this forum over the past few years over "stud can't miss centers" coming into the draft like Bogut, Bynum & Milicic, i'd say Eddy Curry's a pretty damn good up & coming center himself.

If Curry was on the Bulls averaging 25ppg and 9rpg over a long stretch, there'd be people here killing Isiah for never being able to get a player like Eddy.

Player like Eddy? We kill Isiah for not being able to get a Franchise player. EDDY IS NOT A FRANCHISE PLAYER!!! God, get over it already.

He's had a nice stretch with the additional minutes. He's had nice strecthes before offensively. You really must be crazy to think that this is what you can expect from now on, if not more, from Curry.

And he still sucks defensively.

Posted by newyorknewyork:

TMS no matter what Isiah does. To Islesfan it won't be good enough. He just hates the guy with a passion.