Posted by joec32033:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Joe I agree with a lot you said. I just have a few questions. Why do you think Curry has small hands and short arms? I thought he had big hands and a good wing span. Ewing had small hands for a center.

He has lost alot of rebounds, and he just seems to have hands of stone....Maybe he just doesn't have soft hands as opposed to having small hands. And I haven't measured Curry's arms that is something that I just look at. Howard, Wallace, Chandler, Marion, Kirilenko....all just seem to have the super long arms. Curry doesn't, but once again, that is just something I think I see.

Also when did Big z become a 22-8 guy?
I think in his best year he was like a 17-7 guy:)

You would be correct. I thought at one point he was better, but that leads into a another direction. If Curry only finishes on the same level as Big Z, I'll be disappointed.

I see the problem and I thing you will be disappointed....... ONly people 7foot that have gotten 22/8 for a season in the last 6 years and are Centers are named Yao or Shaq or POWERFORWARDS (Garrent, Duncan, Nowizk, Gasol, JONeil, Bosh,)...... Curry isn't built to get 22 and 8, because most centers aren't(unless they are alltime players like shaq and Yao).
7-8 rebounds and 17-18 points a game would make Curry the best center this year behind Yao.

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Posted by Elite:

I agree on the rebounding.. i think 8 boards a game is reasonable and i'd be happy with that. But if you read my previous post im talking about fouls not rebounding

I completly agree about the fouls. I would go one step furthur even. If a guy flops on curry I want Curry to land on them hard. He did that twice in the last week and I didnt see another flop from those players again. Put it in their brains if they want to flop on the floor they are risking 300 pounds coming down right on top of them hard

Posted by Anji:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Joe I agree with a lot you said. I just have a few questions. Why do you think Curry has small hands and short arms? I thought he had big hands and a good wing span. Ewing had small hands for a center.

He has lost alot of rebounds, and he just seems to have hands of stone....Maybe he just doesn't have soft hands as opposed to having small hands. And I haven't measured Curry's arms that is something that I just look at. Howard, Wallace, Chandler, Marion, Kirilenko....all just seem to have the super long arms. Curry doesn't, but once again, that is just something I think I see.

Also when did Big z become a 22-8 guy?
I think in his best year he was like a 17-7 guy:)

You would be correct. I thought at one point he was better, but that leads into a another direction. If Curry only finishes on the same level as Big Z, I'll be disappointed.

I see the problem and I thing you will be disappointed....... ONly people 7foot that have gotten 22/8 for a season in the last 6 years and are Centers are named Yao or Shaq or POWERFORWARDS (Garrent, Duncan, Nowizk, Gasol, JONeil, Bosh,)...... Curry isn't built to get 22 and 8, because most centers aren't(unless they are alltime players like shaq and Yao).
7-8 rebounds and 17-18 points a game would make Curry the best center this year behind Yao.

Once again, without bringing down Curry, he is capable of being better than Yao, IMO. Other than Duncan, Shaq, and Yao, all the players you mentioned can mentioned as perimeter players too.

Duncan is a center, IMO, also. At least that is what he is playing this year.

The potential I see in Curry is very high, as long as he's motivated. I believe if he is motivated he can get on the same level as most of the players you mentioned.

Posted by joec32033:

The potential I see in Curry is very high, as long as he's motivated. I believe if he is motivated he can get on the same level as most of the players you mentioned.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Anji:

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Joe I agree with a lot you said. I just have a few questions. Why do you think Curry has small hands and short arms? I thought he had big hands and a good wing span. Ewing had small hands for a center.

He has lost alot of rebounds, and he just seems to have hands of stone....Maybe he just doesn't have soft hands as opposed to having small hands. And I haven't measured Curry's arms that is something that I just look at. Howard, Wallace, Chandler, Marion, Kirilenko....all just seem to have the super long arms. Curry doesn't, but once again, that is just something I think I see.

Also when did Big z become a 22-8 guy?
I think in his best year he was like a 17-7 guy:)

You would be correct. I thought at one point he was better, but that leads into a another direction. If Curry only finishes on the same level as Big Z, I'll be disappointed.

I see the problem and I thing you will be disappointed....... ONly people 7foot that have gotten 22/8 for a season in the last 6 years and are Centers are named Yao or Shaq or POWERFORWARDS (Garrent, Duncan, Nowizk, Gasol, JONeil, Bosh,)...... Curry isn't built to get 22 and 8, because most centers aren't(unless they are alltime players like shaq and Yao).
7-8 rebounds and 17-18 points a game would make Curry the best center this year behind Yao.

Once again, without bringing down Curry, he is capable of being better than Yao, IMO.

I agree. He's got a gifted body that he's not taking advantage of. There is NO reason this guy should not be averaging 10 to 12 rebounds and 2 to 3 blocks.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by joec32033:

The potential I see in Curry is very high, as long as he's motivated. I believe if he is motivated he can get on the same level as most of the players you mentioned.

Its really funny. In one post you say we payed too much and Curry sucks. In another post you say Curry can be as good as Shaq, Duncan and Yao. FUNNY! ITS REALLY FUNNY! I'M LAUGHING JOE!

I'm going to look for your posts when you said Curry sucks. You might have meant his motivation sucks but you said he sucks. I'll find it and email the link to you.

Thats not fair joe. I mean, you are getting mad at him for not being as good as Ducan, Shaq and Yao because you think he can be that good? These guys are all time greats! Thats just unfair.

And do you see where I am coming from when I got mad at Houston for not playing defense or not driving more? Why do you give some players a pass but get tough on some other players? Why aren't you consistent?

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

How many guys average 10-12 rebounds and 2-3 blocks? 2? 3?

People just set the bar too high on this guy in a way to bash him for not reaching these standards.

Compare Curry's gifted body to those who do average those #s. Now give me one legit reason Curry should not be in that same group?

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

How many guys average 10-12 rebounds and 2-3 blocks? 2? 3?

People just set the bar too high on this guy in a way to bash him for not reaching these standards.

Compare Curry's gifted body to those who do average those #s. Now give me one legit reason Curry should not be in that same group?

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

How many guys average 10-12 rebounds and 2-3 blocks? 2? 3?

People just set the bar too high on this guy in a way to bash him for not reaching these standards.

Compare Curry's gifted body to those who do average those #s. Now give me one legit reason Curry should not be in that same group?

Curry is no where close to the explosive leaper 1 of those guys is (Howard) nor is he 7 feet 6 inchs tall like the other guy (Yao).
There are plenty of guys as tall or taller than Curry who have atheltic bodies. You cant just look at somebodies build and decide they should put up xyz numbers. Thats really insane. There are 6-10 guys that are career 4 rebound players.

You don't have to be "explosive" to grab rebounds and block shots, although Curry would be much more explosive if he lost 20 pounds of fat anyway. Guys like Boozer, Randolph, Shaq are not explosive but are double digit reboundeers.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

How many guys average 10-12 rebounds and 2-3 blocks? 2? 3?

People just set the bar too high on this guy in a way to bash him for not reaching these standards.

Compare Curry's gifted body to those who do average those #s. Now give me one legit reason Curry should not be in that same group?

would those other guys being better basketball players be a good enough reason?

That's not a reason. That's just repeating what I said only in more general terms. (I was talking about them being better at rebounding and shot-blocking. You just expanded it to basketball more generally. I would agree with your comment though.)

sure it's a reason... you're saying you expect Curry to be in the same group because he has all the physical tools as the other elite bigmen of the NBA... the thing you're neglecting to consider is that alot of the guys who put up big rebounds & blocked shot totals over their careers are more instinctually inclined to be good rebounders/defenders/shotblockers because they've conditioned themselves to be that way... some have been better coached in their youth to have learned things like how to correctly box out players, correctly positioning yourself to grab rebounds or to block a shot, etc. early in their development, so they don't have to think about these things while they're on the court... it comes naturally to them.

for a guy like Curry, who never went to college & has pretty much been able to dominate based on his size alone throughout his early development, these things don't come naturally to him, so he has to consciously tell himself to remember to box out, to position for rebounds, when to rotate into the lane for team D, etc... the only thing that comes instinctually to him is scoring, & he does that pretty well... against the bigger, more athletic players in the NBA, Eddy needs to work alot harder to get those rebounds & shotblocks that he probably never had to work that hard for in High School... it's an adjustment & not many players straight out of HS can be dominant so quickly, especially bigmen... it took Jermaine O'Neal several years before he broke out, & looks like Bynum & Milicic are also going to take a few years to find their games too... other than KG & Amare, i don't remember many other HS bigmen coming into the NBA & making a real impact in their 1st few seasons.

EDIT: left out Dwight Howard, but u get my point

even after a few more years, i don't see Eddy Curry as ever being an instinctual shotblocker, so we shouldn't expect him to turn into one... i expect his rebounding averages to go up a little, maybe to average about 8 per season, but never as far as being a 12-13 rebound a night guy... if he can put up 18-20 ppg to go w/those 8 rebounds after another year or 2, i'll be more than happy w/that.

[Edited by - TMS on 12-04-2006 6:31 PM]