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Could it be that Isiah told Steph
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Bippity10
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11/29/2006  12:44 PM
I actually don't think Marbs is playing that poorly. It's just that he's not doing anything.
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11/29/2006  12:46 PM
The ironic thing about all this is that if we followed LB's plan we would probably have a defender at the point and Marbs would be getting 20 shots a game at the 2 guard. Not saying that's a good thing but I think Marbs would have liked it more. Oh the irony.
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11/29/2006  1:36 PM
I'm under the impression that steph is struggling because he has to think instead of just playing.

Coaches has always allowed him to do his own thing and now his last two coach's basically told him what they wanted from him.

Steph's IQ isn't that high, so it has been a "MAJOR" challenge for him to adapt to what the coach ask from him.
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11/30/2006  10:43 AM
To be fair, I was impressed when Marbury dove for a lose ball in the second half.

"Starbury" does not dive!

But Marbury does!
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11/30/2006  10:50 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

The ironic thing about all this is that if we followed LB's plan we would probably have a defender at the point and Marbs would be getting 20 shots a game at the 2 guard. Not saying that's a good thing but I think Marbs would have liked it more. Oh the irony.

I thought Larry did not want Marbury playing the 2. Either way, this Marbury looks slow. I don't want him getting 20 shots a game.
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11/30/2006  11:58 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Bippity10:

The ironic thing about all this is that if we followed LB's plan we would probably have a defender at the point and Marbs would be getting 20 shots a game at the 2 guard. Not saying that's a good thing but I think Marbs would have liked it more. Oh the irony.

I thought Larry did not want Marbury playing the 2. Either way, this Marbury looks slow. I don't want him getting 20 shots a game.

I don't think he wanted Steph playing 2 guard last year because we had noone else to go to. He wanted Steph to adapt and try to play the PG the way he wanted it to be played and then he would bring in a true PG to run the point. IF Marbs had played good soldier I'm pretty sure LB would have either opened the 2 guard vault for him or seen results at the PG and left him there.

I don't want Steph getting 20 shots a game either but the way we were built I think LB would have tailored his offense that way if Steph was a good soldier. But it's moot. I was just noting the irony.
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11/30/2006  12:11 PM
lb and isiah want the same thing from steph, something along the line of a billips type, but with more penetration. a steadying force who'd facilitate the offense and pick his opportunities wisely.

the problem as i see it is that steph just wants to go off instinct. doesn't care about the playbook. it's not that he's selfish, he just doesn't like rules and structure. he wants to free-wheel it.
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11/30/2006  12:21 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:

lb and isiah want the same thing from steph, something along the line of a billips type, but with more penetration. a steadying force who'd facilitate the offense and pick his opportunities wisely.

the problem as i see it is that steph just wants to go off instinct. doesn't care about the playbook. it's not that he's selfish, he just doesn't like rules and structure. he wants to free-wheel it.

I just don't think he's learned any other way. High school does that to kids. Some of these guys are so much better than eveyrone else in the leauge that they can score at will. The coach wants to win games so instead of preparing the player he just lets him do whatever he wants knowing it will lead to the coach's fame as well. These players get away with this through high school, a year of college(where they think they have learned all the fundamenetals) and then on losing lottery teams in the pros. It isn't until they are trying to make the playoffs that they realize that not everyone can be MJ and that they have to learn to play a team game(which MJ did as well).
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11/30/2006  1:36 PM
Posted by Bippity10:
Posted by BlueSeats:

lb and isiah want the same thing from steph, something along the line of a billips type, but with more penetration. a steadying force who'd facilitate the offense and pick his opportunities wisely.

the problem as i see it is that steph just wants to go off instinct. doesn't care about the playbook. it's not that he's selfish, he just doesn't like rules and structure. he wants to free-wheel it.

I just don't think he's learned any other way. High school does that to kids. Some of these guys are so much better than eveyrone else in the leauge that they can score at will. The coach wants to win games so instead of preparing the player he just lets him do whatever he wants knowing it will lead to the coach's fame as well. These players get away with this through high school, a year of college(where they think they have learned all the fundamenetals) and then on losing lottery teams in the pros. It isn't until they are trying to make the playoffs that they realize that not everyone can be MJ and that they have to learn to play a team game(which MJ did as well).


MJ had a good base of Dean Smith go fall back on. When MJ was done showing the world what he could do and got serious about winning is when he started to trust his team. Also winning a NCAA championship as a freshman taught him about team. That was a hell of a team by the way!

Marbury's on year at G.T. was a joke. He was a real SOB on that team and they hated him. A very talented team by the way.

I saw him play all thru the A.C.C. tournament that in person and he put on quite a show. Being a NY guy I was rooting for him but by the championship game I was all too happy to see Duncan and wake forest win that year! After watching him play 3 games in 3 days you can see what a jerk he was.
Could it be that Isiah told Steph

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