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What was Isiah thinking with 2 minutes to go in a game down by only 6 points?
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11/20/2006  12:00 AM
Posted by oohah:
I'm just trying to show you leads evaporate in the blink of an eye even though a team shows poor play for the majority of the game.

How about with this team on Saturday. That is what we are talking about, not some theory you are putting forth for the reason of coming after someone you don't like.
You're even worse because you have a quitter mentality.

Right becuase I proclaimed this season over before it began! Oh wait, that was you, the quitter.
Zeke and this team is severly flawed and nothing you will say or debate over will change that FACT!

But they were coming back against the Celtics on Saturday, right? Now who is bipolar?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 19-11-2006 11:55 PM]



They are

That's why you have the starting small forward getting benched regularly in the second half, why teammates are saying other teammates are shaken, why some players are more concerned about the crowd vs BB execution, why some players hustle and others don't at all, why the starting center has to be stroked to develop a mean side, why the starting point gaurd is hocking shoes to the public right before tip-off.


[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-19-2006 11:01 PM]
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11/20/2006  12:00 AM
That's just not true. I think scoring on over 50% of their possessions up to that point in the 4th quarter means that they were executing and making their shots.

Not in the last few minutes they weren't.

No, you're right Isles. Isiah cost them the game. They were right in it. I mean, they went from up 1 to down 6 in 2 minutes! So obviously they were in a great position to pull it out! As long as we can slip in a way to go at Isiah.

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11/20/2006  12:02 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by joec32033:

I actually see where oohah is coming from. I wouldn't go as far as in saying the game was over but I also didn't see the Knicks winning this game because of the energy expanded on coming back and no player was stepping to the forefront except for Jamal who couldn't hit the Ocean from Jones Beach.

They all know the game was over Joe, but you see, when you have a chance to bash Isiah, they just can't pass it up, you know what I mean?

oohah

So you're going to make this personal now?

What does the Miami game have to do with this? I thought we were specifically talking about this game?

In that 4th quarter the Knicks were executing and making shots which contradicts your claim that they weren't.

It's hardly a stretch to think that it was still a game and wasn't "over" the way you think it was. Not sure why you don't see that.

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11/20/2006  12:02 AM
They are

That's why you have the starting small forward getting benched regularly in the second half, why teammates are saying other teammates are shaken, why some players are more concerned about the crowd vs BB execution, why some players hustle and others don't at all. Why the starting center has to be stroked to develop a mean side. Why the starting point gaurd is hocking shoes to the public right before tip-off.

I don't know what you are talking about. You are off topic. Are you really are bi-polar? The Knicks suck so bad but Isiah cost them the game with his techs! Make up your mind, would you?

Check Mate? Stick to checkers.

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11/20/2006  12:05 AM
So you're going to make this personal now?

What does the Miami game have to do with this? I thought we were specifically talking about this game?

In that 4th quarter the Knicks were executing and making shots which contradicts your claim that they weren't.

It's hardly a stretch to think that it was still a game and wasn't "over" the way you think it was. Not sure why you don't see that.

Go back and check into your "nonsensical" comment then get back to me about who is making it personal.

And if you think it is personal, I don't know what to tell you, except that if you are laying the loss at the feet of Isiah's technical, you really did not see that the Celtics took the game back from the Knicks in the final minutes or you just want to take a shot at Isiah.

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11/20/2006  12:06 AM
Posted by oohah:
That's just not true. I think scoring on over 50% of their possessions up to that point in the 4th quarter means that they were executing and making their shots.

Not in the last few minutes they weren't.

No, you're right Isles. Isiah cost them the game. They were right in it. I mean, they went from up 1 to down 6 in 2 minutes! So obviously they were in a great position to pull it out! As long as we can slip in a way to go at Isiah.

oohah

What last few minutes?

The Knicks scored on 5 of their last 6 possessions leading up to the technicals.

So are we having a friendly discussion or do you just want to be obnoxiously sarcastic with each other. I can do either.
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11/20/2006  12:06 AM
Posted by oohah:
They are

That's why you have the starting small forward getting benched regularly in the second half, why teammates are saying other teammates are shaken, why some players are more concerned about the crowd vs BB execution, why some players hustle and others don't at all. Why the starting center has to be stroked to develop a mean side. Why the starting point gaurd is hocking shoes to the public right before tip-off.

I don't know what you are talking about. You are off topic. Are you really are bi-polar? The Knicks suck so bad but Isiah cost them the game with his techs! Make up your mind, would you?

Check Mate? Stick to checkers.

oohah



No you are the one taking random statements and then trying to disect to divert attention away from what you said. First of all I never said his tech's cost the team the game. I said what he did was inexcuseable, there was no justification for it and it didn't send any kind of message to his team.


Oohah who said in this thread that his tech's cost the team the game?
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11/20/2006  12:08 AM
What does the Miami game have to do with this? I thought we were specifically talking about this game?

Specifically we were talking about the last few minutes. At that point all of the momentum was with the Celtics. The game was over. You say it wasn't, but that is in theory-land. The Knicks were done.
In that 4th quarter the Knicks were executing and making shots which contradicts your claim that they weren't.

And after they took their lead all of that execution evaporated whcih totally supports my claim: Up 1 with 4 minutes left, down 6 2 minutes later.
It's hardly a stretch to think that it was still a game and wasn't "over" the way you think it was. Not sure why you don't see that.

It is a stretch when you see that the Knicks had just been outscored by 7 in two minutes, they had to foul the Celtics, and they weren't making their shots.

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11/20/2006  12:08 AM
when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.
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11/20/2006  12:10 AM
So are we having a friendly discussion or do you just want to be obnoxiously sarcastic with each other. I can do either.

Who was being obnoxiously sarcastic?
I'm just trying to make sense out of your nonsensical statement.

Let it ride Isles.

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11/20/2006  12:12 AM
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by oohah:
They are

That's why you have the starting small forward getting benched regularly in the second half, why teammates are saying other teammates are shaken, why some players are more concerned about the crowd vs BB execution, why some players hustle and others don't at all. Why the starting center has to be stroked to develop a mean side. Why the starting point gaurd is hocking shoes to the public right before tip-off.

I don't know what you are talking about. You are off topic. Are you really are bi-polar? The Knicks suck so bad but Isiah cost them the game with his techs! Make up your mind, would you?

Check Mate? Stick to checkers.

oohah



No you are the one taking random statements and then trying to disect to divert attention away from what you said. First of all I never said his tech's cost the team the game. I said what he did was inexcuseable, there was no justification for it and it didn't send any kind of message to his team.


Oohah who said in this thread that his tech's cost the team the game?

You proceeded to bring up the Miller's etc of the NBA.

See while I conceded that the technicals were dumb, you still have not conceded the obvious fact that they did not mean much.

See the difference? Me: balanced view. You: Anti-Isiah all the way, no matter what.

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11/20/2006  12:14 AM
Oohah I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said that Zeke's tech's cost the game. I really would appreciate if you could do that for me.

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11/20/2006  12:18 AM
That's pretty damn funny that you're taking such offense to the word "nonsensical".

If you don't see that any game is not over when you're only down 6 with more than 2 minutes to play and the ball, then I really don't know what to tell you.

They had just scored on 5 of their last 6 possessions but apparently they were done and couldn't execute anymore.

This is like arguing with someone who thinks the sky isn't blue.
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11/20/2006  12:19 AM
Posted by oohah:
So are we having a friendly discussion or do you just want to be obnoxiously sarcastic with each other. I can do either.

Who was being obnoxiously sarcastic?
I'm just trying to make sense out of your nonsensical statement.

Let it ride Isles.

oohah

It was a nice truce we had there.
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11/20/2006  12:20 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by SeatsBlue:
Posted by oohah:
They are

That's why you have the starting small forward getting benched regularly in the second half, why teammates are saying other teammates are shaken, why some players are more concerned about the crowd vs BB execution, why some players hustle and others don't at all. Why the starting center has to be stroked to develop a mean side. Why the starting point gaurd is hocking shoes to the public right before tip-off.

I don't know what you are talking about. You are off topic. Are you really are bi-polar? The Knicks suck so bad but Isiah cost them the game with his techs! Make up your mind, would you?

Check Mate? Stick to checkers.

oohah



No you are the one taking random statements and then trying to disect to divert attention away from what you said. First of all I never said his tech's cost the team the game. I said what he did was inexcuseable, there was no justification for it and it didn't send any kind of message to his team.


Oohah who said in this thread that his tech's cost the team the game?

You proceeded to bring up the Miller's etc of the NBA.


I've never heard a fan of their team wholeheartedly stand by the fact that a game is over with more than 2min left and down by 2 possessions. You have faith in the team for the season but not in a 2 possession game with more than 2min left.

You commence to state if the team had T-Mac even throughout their expensed comeback, then maybe they had a shot. Wouldn't T-Mac have been expensed? Remember you also said the Knicks had no hope of stopping the Celtics at that point. So if T-Mac was on this team would he have stopped Gomes and Pierce defensively, while still having enough energy to eliminate the defecit offensively?


[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 11-19-2006 11:22 PM]
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11/20/2006  12:22 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

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11/20/2006  12:23 AM
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Oohah I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said that Zeke's tech's cost the game. I really would appreciate if you could do that for me.



Yu're gonna be waiting becuase I really don't care to argue with you. You only have one note and you don't play it very well.

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11/20/2006  12:25 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:

when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah

Jesus, so now you admit that they did have a chance to come back, regardless of how likely you think it was, and not just OVER like you said at the beginning of this argument.
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11/20/2006  12:26 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by SeatsBlue:

Oohah I'm still waiting for you to point out where I said that Zeke's tech's cost the game. I really would appreciate if you could do that for me.



Yu're gonna be waiting becuase I really don't care to argue with you. You only have one note and you don't play it very well.

oohah



In other words you have Nada

"I looked back and no one here stated Zeke cost his team the game. They were just upset at him for adding to the defecit and I'm mad at them for being mad at him."

THE END!
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11/20/2006  12:28 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BlueSeats:

when a 2 possession game with 2 mins to go is beyond hope, even for your optimists, you know it's a tough season.

Who is an optimist?I deal with reality. In reality the Kicks were very unlikely to come back, and Isiah's techs had very little to do with that fact.

oohah

Jesus, so now you admit that they did have a chance to come back, regardless of how likely you think it was, and not just OVER like you said at the beginning of this argument.



Maybe he'll edit and eliminate that post REALGM Moderator style. Oops too late you have it in Quotated form. Nevermind.
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