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PresIke
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by PresIke:
Posted by islesfan:
Because the negatives during Isiah's tenure have far outweighed the positives.
Now answer my question.
Firstly, you are in no position to demand anyone of anything, so there is no need to write in such an obnoxious manner (which I may be wrong about, but it seemed that way). I personally don't feel the need to prove to you, isles, or many of the others who spend all of their time here blasting or making fun of the current team because I don't think we are going to see eye to eye. I question the objectivity of you and others when it comes to Isiah, and me and those who want to see him succeed. You have already made your mind up, as have I, for the time being.
If I had to explain my position I would say that I just don't see the point of railing this team over and over and over again when we are already aware of the criticisms and the team is who we have for now. Treating the fans who try to enjoy the team as stupid is an insult to these fans' intelligence, and exposes some, in my view, as vile and obsessed. If Isiah and the Knicks blow it you will get your wish. Maybe it will be later rather than sooner, and I would have not had a problem if Isiah was fired at the end of last season, but Dolan did what he did, and it is out of my hands as a fan. Dolan knows the fans are upset, but what would another GM be able to do with this roster at the end of last season when the value was so low. So, he gives the team to Isiah to coach, and now he has to put his money where his mouth is when it comes to the roster he created. I don't see why this is such a problem.
My beef rests with Dolan more than Isiah, because if you look at the Knicks as an organization over since the Ewing trade there has not been much difference in financial philosophy, just the kind of players brought in. Dolan in the end is the one who hired Isiah and could have fired him when things didn't turn around sooner. Dolan's idiocy is the root problem, but now there is some reason to think that things might work out. We have some players with talent and potential, despite making some questionable moves and their flaws, which MANY NBA GMS HAVE MADE and TEAMS HAVE. I'd rather try to enjoy that hope at least early on, since no matter how much I may wish things to be different we can't change the past.
If you check my record you will also note that I am no blind Isiah follower either. I want to see how this team does this season and then make deciscion from there. If you or the rest of the anti-Isiah obsessed, and I do think obsession is the right word, want to label me "dellusional" or a "kool-aid" drinker, go right ahead, but don't expect me to not point out any inconsistencies or flaws I see with your argument, because no one has a monopoly on information, insight or knowledge here, and since none of us have a crystal ball we really don't know what is going to happen, and I'd rather keep that hope as a fan for a bit than get excited about seeing the demise of the team.
[Edited by - PresIke on 11-02-2006 1:09 PM]
I wasn't trying to be obnoxious. I apologize if you took it that way.
You can question my objectivity when it comes to Isiah, I don't like him and I don't hide the fact, but when it comes to the Knicks I only want whats best for the team. And in my opinion, I think the best thing for the Knicks is a new GM.
I have no interest in ignoring mistake after mistake as he's turned us into the laughingstock of the NBA. That shouldn't be contrued as an insult to other Knicks fans and it doesn't make me "vile" or "obsessed". I think Isiah has proven that he has no business running an NBA team and I know we'll be better off when he's gone. I won't apologize for that.
I agree that Dolan is as big of a problem, if not bigger, as Isiah. But you can't do anything about ownership. You can do something about the GM though.
don't expect me to not point out any inconsistencies or flaws I see with your argument, because no one has a monopoly on information, insight or knowledge here, and since none of us have a crystal ball we really don't know what is going to happen, and I'd rather keep that hope as a fan for a bit than get excited about seeing the demise of the team
I have no problem with any of that, I understand it goes both ways. But what you call "the demise of the team", I call Isiah being fired as the beginning of hope. Peace Isles, My bad on misreading what you were trying to say. I understand we're all Knick fans in the end, so it's all good. I understand many want Isiah gone, and I can't necessarily blame you all either. I'm not so attached to the man as GM either because many of the criticisms of his reign are quite valid and I have supported those arguments as well. You may be right as well that had the Knicks rid themselves of Isiah earlier, maybe things would be different, but I do think fans pressuring Dolan has had an effect, it just took too darn long. I just don't know if ANY GM could have sold Dolan that the team needed to be broken up years ago because of that belief that NY fans couldn't accept a rebuild nonsense and his own pressures to get to the playoffs ASAP. Sure, Isiah may have sold Dolan that working far above the cap could still work, a la Layden & Checketts, but I'm not 100% certain how Isiah should bare the brunt of the blame when It was Dolan that hired him and continued to approve of this approach. Accountablity goes all the way to the top. I mean if Dolan is such a fool that he gets taken by Isiah, who you and others have railed on for some time, why didn't he just fire him? Isiah has only been able to do what he wants because of Dolan's approval, that's the bottom line. To some extent the end of Checketts era (Ewing-Rice trade)-->Isiah has been an experiment in above-the-cap-ology, for lack of a better term, which many feel has since been defeated by other examples. I think the jury, while leaning towards the critics, is still somewhat out on this philosophy for this team because Isiah's attempt at proving its validity crashed and burned last season with Larry ,the roster and his superiors clashing so strongly. In that regard Dolan is again responsible as well for bringing in a guy like Brown, as is Isiah, as are the players. My thing is I am just not sure if the evidence is sufficent enough to see if this current team is capable of jelling just yet, and since clearly many of these guys aren't going anywhere anytime soon then I have a hard time not giving Isiah one last shot. I honestly don't know what is going to happen, but I actually find it to be a captivating scenario, which I feel like I might as well hope works out. [Edited by - PresIke on 11-02-2006 8:08 PM]Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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