Isiah.

seriously, I like that. That way no more people coming to New York and not expecting to be successful or Fired.

let this serve as a lesson to any future knick coach...I'd like to quote the immortal Vince Lombardi...

"Win or you're out of the family!"

Posted by 4949:

'contracts can be shed'


I really don't think people realize how serious this is. What I'm trying to say is, who is going to want to come and play or coach on this team, seeing the way things are being done?

Looks like LB get 40 mils
A lot of sources alredy have indirect info.
This is one of many:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_19194.shtml

It's actually simple case. His loyers pump it up to 53 mils to settle it on 40 mils
I think any other outcome will lead to court.
Dolan has to much problems already to go there.

who cares

Posted by martin:

I think LB would have gotten pretty close to full value on contract. Imagine a situation where he did not: ALL owners would then be in a position to fire their coaches and arbitrate (with Stern or otherwise). This would be BAAAADDDDD for the NBA. You can't set a precident like that with the owners OR coaches.

You all seem to be parroting this line, however, contracts are the length they are for a reason, otherwise you could sum it up in a sentence. There is always a breach clause, ESPECIALLY in a 60 million dollar contract. There is no coaches union, therefore I can reasonably assume there is a just cause to breach the contract, as there is a pretty powerful player's union and they have breach clauses in their contracts. My thinking is this:

1. Stern knows this is bad for the league on both counts, if LB gets everything it sends a message to the owners (who are the damn ruling class of the NBA) that they have no recourse for coaches who violate terms of their contract. If they have to pay nothing, it sends the message that the contracts are meaningless and hints of lawlessness. He can't do either, if honestly looks at the situation he can find enough fault on both sides to decide that neither should have their complete demands met.

2. He'll get some portion of his salary, around half. give or take a couple mil. No way Larry gets 53, its totally outside of the realm of possibility and no way they settle at 40, and no way he gets zero either. Any of these outcomes would mean, that this is not a 'settlement' and in fact one side won. Stern is pretty clearly saying that that wont be the outcome by ordering both sides to settle.

3. Stern also wants LB to coach again and wants this to go away, he'll make sure LB settles to something south of 40, arguing that he is going to sign a new contract soon, there is a case to be made against him, and that this is essentially free money he is asking for. He will not allow an owner in the league to be completely fleeced. He is accountable to owners, not coaches.

How all of you LB lovers happen to draw the conclusion he got 40 is pretty comical. Personally I think he ought to get nothing, but I think he will get about half.


ARK, your source says nothing about how much he got.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by martin:

I think LB would have gotten pretty close to full value on contract. Imagine a situation where he did not: ALL owners would then be in a position to fire their coaches and arbitrate (with Stern or otherwise). This would be BAAAADDDDD for the NBA. You can't set a precident like that with the owners OR coaches.

You all seem to be parroting this line, however, contracts are the length they are for a reason, otherwise you could sum it up in a sentence. There is always a breach clause, ESPECIALLY in a 60 million dollar contract. There is no coaches union, therefore I can reasonably assume there is a just cause to breach the contract, as there is a pretty powerful player's union and they have breach clauses in their contracts. My thinking is this:

1. Stern knows this is bad for the league on both counts, if LB gets everything it sends a message to the owners (who are the damn ruling class of the NBA) that they have no recourse for coaches who violate terms of their contract. If they have to pay nothing, it sends the message that the contracts are meaningless and hints of lawlessness. He can't do either, if honestly looks at the situation he can find enough fault on both sides to decide that neither should have their complete demands met.

2. He'll get some portion of his salary, around half. give or take a couple mil. No way Larry gets 53, its totally outside of the realm of possibility and no way they settle at 40, and no way he gets zero either. Any of these outcomes would mean, that this is not a 'settlement' and in fact one side won. Stern is pretty clearly saying that that wont be the outcome by ordering both sides to settle.

3. Stern also wants LB to coach again and wants this to go away, he'll make sure LB settles to something south of 40, arguing that he is going to sign a new contract soon, there is a case to be made against him, and that this is essentially free money he is asking for. He will not allow an owner in the league to be completely fleeced. He is accountable to owners, not coaches.

How all of you LB lovers happen to draw the conclusion he got 40 is pretty comical. Personally I think he ought to get nothing, but I think he will get about half.


ARK, your source says nothing about how much he got.

You are one of the only posters who bring up LB lovers. If this was Chaney or Wilkens I would be saying the same thing.

I didn't say I had a source about the contract, this is my own opinion.

OK, so what did LB do that Wilkens didn't do? What clause did he breach?

There are, of course, breaches like you can't break the law of the USA, you can't just not show up for work. Those I understand and would constitute breaches that would end in termination without pay.

Was LB not supposed to talk to other GMs? Was that in his contract? If so, LB was wrong and should get no money. But that was not in there, I am pretty sure.

So what did LB do that was wrong and in breach of contract? Dude had a crap season as coach. So what. So do about 5 coaches a year... are all of those in breach of contract? Is Isiah in breach?

Good... LB's paid, that chapter is closed.

Now we can leave the past in the past and move on to the new season.

GO KNICKS!

Posted by Bippity10:

I just don't understand why people care what he got. That has no effect on the Knicks. What does have an effect is that this is yet another coach that has been fired and has left in an embarrassing manner. Doesn't matter if Isiah was wrong in this situation or LB was wrong. The fact that it occured is what really matters. At some point we need to put aside our anger at LB and our anger at Isiah and realize that all these management decisions are hurting our franchise. And since we are all Knicks fans that should take precedence over Isiah or LB any day. But we have so many people worrying about what LB will get when that doesn't matter. The damage has been done once again by our inept management team.

Dear fans. Stop falling for the scapegoating and smoke screens and realize that the reason your team is an embarrassment nationally and gets torched on every tv show is not because of LB. NOt because of Isiah. It's because for the past 7 years we have been the worst run franchise in professional sports. All the good or bad player decisions aside we are still embarrassing ourselves. We need to change our culture and bring pride back into being a Knick instead of being a destination where ALL come just to get paid. And make it an organization based on nothing but WINNING.

7 years since 1999 and instead of trying to find a way back to relevance we are arguing over how much Larry Brown should get.

agreed. I am thinking that Dolan's biggest mistake was letting Riley go. He was the one that could have put in an atmosphere of winning and a culture that would instill it.

Posted by Bippity10:

I've been preaching the same things since 1999. Every year I'm told I'm wrong. Every year the results show that I'm right. Change the culture. Stop all this nonsense. Get the focus back on the floor. This sideshow is insane. Why do you fans buy into it?????? Demand that your management team stop this nonsense instead of trying to defend Isiah or LB. Raise your god-dam-n standards and force them to do it on the court and stop selling us with all this scapegoating and blaming one man for our year after year of failures. Every year you fall for the same shiot.

wait, aren't you falling for it by watching the product?

Posted by martin:

Posted by Bippity10:

I've been preaching the same things since 1999. Every year I'm told I'm wrong. Every year the results show that I'm right. Change the culture. Stop all this nonsense. Get the focus back on the floor. This sideshow is insane. Why do you fans buy into it?????? Demand that your management team stop this nonsense instead of trying to defend Isiah or LB. Raise your god-dam-n standards and force them to do it on the court and stop selling us with all this scapegoating and blaming one man for our year after year of failures. Every year you fall for the same shiot.

wait, aren't you falling for it by watching the product?

Apparently

In all seriousness I don't say that fans should or shouldn't go to the game. It's still entertainment. But that doesn't mean that we stand back and say all is okay, Isiah is on the right plan. Your franchise is a national embarrassment and your only answer for this is that the reporters are haters means you are ignoring the problem. IF your team takes an entire season off because of the coach and you aren't disgusted by this, I'm sorry I have a hard time considering you a "super fan". Until effort is a given instead of something we hope for we should not be settling for less. Yell and scream(and don't go to games if that is your wish) until management changes. Last year should have been the last straw. Instead here we are giving these guys one more chance because they were able to use LB as a scapegoat. If LB sucked and you want to fire him, fine. But remember who brought the guy in. That 23 win season, of a team quitting should have led to a complete overhaul from the top down(Dolan of course would not be included). Instead we are putting our trust in all the guys that helped us to that 23 win season. That wasn't enough for us.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 10-31-2006 12:20 PM]