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joec32033
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10/29/2006  12:58 PM
It's not all bad Joe is it?
Never said it was. I like Craw, Lee and Frye. I like Q. Basically the only people I don't like on this team are Steph(unless he transforms himself), Francis(unless he transforms himself), Rose(unless he's gone).
Curry I like and dislike based on what days he's motivated.

I would prefer to go all young and truly build a team. Somehow, I'm labeled a hater because of all this "negativity" I post when it is all diescted at basically 3 guys Isiah(because he doesn't know if he is going to crap or get off the pot), Marbury(because he wants to make sure he is there actually holding Isiah's hand when he does crap or get off the pot), and Francis and even I posted that if he plays the way he did the last preseason game I would definately keep him here.

What never comes up is how I have praised Isiah's coaching(I said many times that I wanted him here as a coach not a GM), Marbury(I said many times that he has the potential to be the best PG in the game, point blank, if he ever got his stuff together and had the right coach who knew how to deal with him).

But whatever. Maybe I'll just stick to the all negativity, all the time approach since that is the only type of information that is remembered-no offense oohah, just tired of being labeled a hater when it is my objectionable look at this team.
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10/29/2006  7:16 PM
ofcourse not...these are not his opinions, they are snippets of the other team's posts. Kind of like oohah, only he's attributing them to himself.

the miami example is great...I didn't even think of that when I saw that Riley had a plan all along.

I may be wishy washy, but it's me being me.

Posted by bigbeast:

Joe, Curry's size and quickness make him a good candidate to be successful in a push offense. Curry is at his best when he catches the ball on the move as apposed to standing on the block waiting for the ball. This is when he usually bull-rushes over the ooposition.

Marbury, Francis and Craw are tailor made for the open-floor. All have good ballhandling skills are capable passers, explosive and great finishers.

BTW, you mentioned Miami as a team with a set philosphy. Im not going to disagree, but answer me this. What was your take when Miami broke-up the squad that lost to Detroit in seven 2 yrs ago? I remember everyone killing Riley for breaking up that squad and bringing in J Will/ and chemistry killer Antione Walker. When they got off to s slow start and Van Gundy resigned, nobody thought that team was capable of winning it all.

Did you really think that J Will and Walker were intrical parts to a championship?

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10/29/2006  7:18 PM
Posted by joec32033:
It's not all bad Joe is it?
But whatever. Maybe I'll just stick to the all negativity, all the time approach since that is the only type of information that is remembered-no offense oohah, just tired of being labeled a hater when it is my objectionable look at this team.

say it ain't so, Joe.

Seriously, you aren't negative at all...just impatient and quick on the trigger. (and down on the rooks)
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10/29/2006  9:14 PM
Posted by rvhoss:
Posted by joec32033:
It's not all bad Joe is it?
But whatever. Maybe I'll just stick to the all negativity, all the time approach since that is the only type of information that is remembered-no offense oohah, just tired of being labeled a hater when it is my objectionable look at this team.

say it ain't so, Joe.

Seriously, you aren't negative at all...just impatient and quick on the trigger. (and down on the rooks)

Hater, Hater Hater....you used that word more than you change your underwear. If you believe I avoid adult conversation cool. Don't respond to me. Stop trying to call me out. You did it once and tripped because you backpeddled so fast. Now you call me out and then assert that I was the one who started it? Not only do you have reading comprehension problems, you also seem to have reading, and chronological issues.

If you feel I can't engage adult conversation fine. You have your belief and I don't wish to change it because, well, I really don't value your opinion as some of the others on this board as you have yet to back up one fact you have ever posted and have yet to had a conversation that has not denegrated into you calling people "haters" and "not real Knick fans".

I'm here to discuss the Knicks, and I personally feel you really know nothing about them. You seemed ok to give your opinion on my basketball knowledge in another thread-first-so I will return in kind. Do I think you really care what I think? Well I myself haven't thought about it much because I really don't care.

And before you start all the "hater" crap again and that I am insulting you because you are a "real fan", let me first say Nixluva at the very least is capable of supporting his own theories and ideas. You have no such talent. If you want to be antagonistic fine. Go ahead. But obviously, if you are as high and mighty as you say you are you won't respond to this or any of my posts in the future-because I know damn well it leads nowhere when I respond to yours.

Keep on crying RV, Keep on crying, I imagine you tend to do alot of that at night since all of us "haters" can't understand the new and emotional NY Knicks.

Good luck with those "adult conversations", hoss. I have a feeling you'll need it.
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10/29/2006  9:47 PM
Joe, Curry's size and quickness make him a good candidate to be successful in a push offense. Curry is at his best when he catches the ball on the move as apposed to standing on the block waiting for the ball. This is when he usually bull-rushes over the ooposition.

If Curry was capable of running for 30 minutes per game I'd agree with you, but you need the conditioning to run and he doesn't have it.
Marbury, Francis and Craw are tailor made for the open-floor. All have good ballhandling skills are capable passers, explosive and great finishers.

True. But why don't they play that way? Craw is the only exeption because you can actually tell he is learning and changing his game.

Steph and Francis are almost the same player. And you are righ the skills they have are of skills that upper echlon PG's have. But they are not upper echlon players. They are good SG's who play the point. I am more questioning their mentality than their skills.
BTW, you mentioned Miami as a team with a set philosphy. Im not going to disagree, but answer me this. What was your take when Miami broke-up the squad that lost to Detroit in seven 2 yrs ago? I remember everyone killing Riley for breaking up that squad and bringing in J Will/ and chemistry killer Antione Walker. When they got off to s slow start and Van Gundy resigned, nobody thought that team was capable of winning it all.

Did you really think that J Will and Walker were intrical parts to a championship?
No. I hated what Miami did, but I mentioned that somehow they-Jason and Antoine- bought into the system, Be it from Shaq and Alonzo leading or whatever. Were Antoine and Jason the same players they were in Dallas and Memphis? No, they weren't. Not even close. Jason matured into a true PG. Antoine played his role as a role player and didn't bitch about. I didn' think they could change their games for the good of the system and the team and they did. Payton is another player that fell into this category.

I said that Miami is the exeption and not the rule. But what happens in Miami happens as a direct result of strong leadership from the coach and from the players. Something we do not have.

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-29-2006 9:54 PM]

[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-29-2006 9:56 PM]
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10/29/2006  9:53 PM
No. I hated what Miami did, but I mentioned that somehow they-Jason and Antoine- bought into the system, Be it from Shaq and Alonzo leading or whatever. Were Antoine and Jason the same players they were in Dallas and Memphis? No, they weren't. Not even close. Jason matured into a true PG. Antoine played his role as a role player and didn't bitch about. I didn' think they could change their games for the good of the system and the team and they did. Payton is another player that fell into this category.

I said that Miami is the exeption and not the rule. But what happens in Miami happens as a direct result of strong leadership from the coach and from the players. Something we do not have.

One thing I don't understand is the negative characterization of Walker. From what I have seen, he has always done what his coach has told him to do on every team at every level. His teammates like him. He is made out to be selfish, soft, etc. but this isn't the case.

is it because of the shimmy? That is nothing compared to nasty BS celebrations I have seen from other players.

On the other hand J Williams did have to change his 'tude a bit, but I think more is made of that than is really true as well.

oohah

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10/29/2006  9:55 PM
Posted by oohah:
No. I hated what Miami did, but I mentioned that somehow they-Jason and Antoine- bought into the system, Be it from Shaq and Alonzo leading or whatever. Were Antoine and Jason the same players they were in Dallas and Memphis? No, they weren't. Not even close. Jason matured into a true PG. Antoine played his role as a role player and didn't bitch about. I didn' think they could change their games for the good of the system and the team and they did. Payton is another player that fell into this category.

I said that Miami is the exeption and not the rule. But what happens in Miami happens as a direct result of strong leadership from the coach and from the players. Something we do not have.

One thing I don't understand is the negative characterization of Walker. From what I have seen, he has always done what his coach has told him to do on every team at every level. His teammates like him. He is made out to be selfish, soft, etc. but this isn't the case.

is it because of the shimmy? That is nothing compared to nasty BS celebrations I have seen from other players.

On the other hand J Williams did have to change his 'tude a bit, but I think more is made of that than is really true as well.

oohah

Walker always seemed to talk about his shots(from what I heard). He was just a bad locker room guy, too. The Celtics got rid of the guy not once but twice!
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10/29/2006  10:00 PM
Walker always seemed to talk about his shots(from what I heard). He was just a bad locker room guy, too. The Celtics got rid of the guy not once but twice!

I'm not sying you're making stuff up JOe, but I have not heard any of this. I always understood that Pierce et al liked him very much. According to my Boston peoples the reason they let Walker go twice is because Ainge has this crazy Brain-Typing philosophy he subscribes to and Walker did not fit in his opinion. Ainge has been a worse GM than Isiah.

oohah

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10/29/2006  10:08 PM
Posted by oohah:
Walker always seemed to talk about his shots(from what I heard). He was just a bad locker room guy, too. The Celtics got rid of the guy not once but twice!

I'm not sying you're making stuff up JOe, but I have not heard any of this. I always understood that Pierce et al liked him very much. According to my Boston peoples the reason they let Walker go twice is because Ainge has this crazy Brain-Typing philosophy he subscribes to and Walker did not fit in his opinion. Ainge has been a worse GM than Isiah.

oohah

I know Pierce liked him. And that was another reason I heard they let him go. Pierce deferred to Antoine too much. Antoine was the Alpha Dog in that relationship and Boston was building around Pierce. Walker was, IMO, one of those guys that played well on winning teams but couldn't handle losing.
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