so if Bernie Williams plays left field does that mean he's a left fielder or a centerfielder?

Nice. A-rod is a shortstop I can tell you that.

Krstic plays the game of a center... please share with us your basketball knowledge and clearly define the difference between center and PF.

A forward Generally faces the basket when they are around the basket. A center GENERALLY (I am capitalizing to emphasize so you don't miss the fact that I wrote generally.) Will turn around a put their back to the basket when the play near the basket.

Good point again though, there is a grey area between the two positions. Therefore your "Frye is a center" bit means nothing. Cool.

Where's the I told you so? Because I'm right about Collins playing every minute he's on the floor at center?

Every minute except for last night...

How big does a center have to be? How tall. For god sakes he's Duncan's hieght. He's an inch shorter than Ewing, and an inch taller that Alonzo.

It's a matter of bigness not necassarily height. Otherwise KG and Dirk must be centers too. But you're right again. (Holy crap!) Olajuwan was one of the best centers ever at 6'10". But he was a center it was his natural position. 'Zo on the other hand was an excellent defensive center, but on offense (He liked to face the basket) he was really a forward. Alonzo is really a PF/C. That is why Ewing (A true center.) always had a little bit of an advantage over 'Zo because he was a center and Zo was a tweener.

As for setting him up to fail? Playing him at the same position he's played his whole life is setting him up to fail?

Yes. It is setting him up to fail.

Frye AT PF is a problem. Just watch the freakin games. Geez your really being a baby tonight. Why bring up Sweetney? Is Sweetney 6'11 or is he 6'8?

Frye at center is a bigger problem. Did you watch last night for chissake? I brought up Sweetney to show you how a very good college center is not necesarily an NBA center. Tim Duncan played center 4 years too.

Tons of NBA players were centers in high-school.

I want the guy to succeed. I'm sorry but if your getting overmatched against the Rashos of the league moving to PF isnt the fix

He might be okay with Rasho because Rasho has no real game on offense F/PC, or otherwise. Z? Bad News.

Why can't Curry defend the center spot? (Though Curry is really a center-sized forward if I have ever seen one.) He has the size to do it!

Thanks for calling me names bud.

oohah






[Edited by - oohah on 28-10-2006 10:11 PM]

Posted by EnySpree:

Patterson is a registared sex offender and a well documented *******. I think he probably deserved it. Lol.

Zack has been known to jump in to protect his teamates and also play hurt.

I know a lot of you guys would love to read that zack broke marburys face in a practice scuffle.

Another thing. If something pops off who is messing with curry and zack? I can't see frye enforcing anything.

Dude you don't want Randolph here. He is a black hole and has a notoriously bad attitude. He has had knee problems already and conditioning issues. And he don't play no D either.

oohah

Posted by bigbeast:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Should've traded Frye when we had the chance. Now we're stuck with Rasho Nesterovic part 2

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 10-28-2006 12:50 PM]

Exactly who do you want the Knicks to trade him for? I agree that Fyre and Curry don't mix well on the defensive side of the ball. But there isn't much out there to trade him for. The same people that are screaming to trade Frye, are the the same that will scream that Isiah is a moron for parting with a piece of our future.

The only pieces out there for Frye would be Kmart and maybe Zach. Not sure about Booz.

I was a big advocate of mosing Frye for Artest when he was available. He definitely would have changed the court-identity of this team.

Craziest idea of all?

I would trade either one of them right now for Amare Stoudemire.

Posted by joec32033:

Craziest idea of all?

I would trade either one of them right now for Amare Stoudemire.

HAHA!! Isn't that a no-brainer joe? You are gonna trade a 2nd year PF for a small gamble for the next dominant big man. WOW! You really went out on a limb there.

Posted by rvhoss:

so he can't guard the elite pf's of the league in his second season...did we really expect him to be able to?

agreed.

Posted by oohah:

so if Bernie Williams plays left field does that mean he's a left fielder or a centerfielder?

Nice. A-rod is a shortstop I can tell you that.

Krstic plays the game of a center... please share with us your basketball knowledge and clearly define the difference between center and PF.

A forward Generally faces the basket when they are around the basket. A center GENERALLY (I am capitalizing to emphasize so you don't miss the fact that I wrote generally.) Will turn around a put their back to the basket when the play near the basket.

Good point again though, there is a grey area between the two positions. Therefore your "Frye is a center" bit means nothing. Cool.

Where's the I told you so? Because I'm right about Collins playing every minute he's on the floor at center?

Every minute except for last night...

How big does a center have to be? How tall. For god sakes he's Duncan's hieght. He's an inch shorter than Ewing, and an inch taller that Alonzo.

It's a matter of bigness not necassarily height. Otherwise KG and Dirk must be centers too. But you're right again. (Holy crap!) Olajuwan was one of the best centers ever at 6'10". But he was a center it was his natural position. 'Zo on the other hand was an excellent defensive center, but on offense (He liked to face the basket) he was really a forward. Alonzo is really a PF/C. That is why Ewing (A true center.) always had a little bit of an advantage over 'Zo because he was a center and Zo was a tweener.

As for setting him up to fail? Playing him at the same position he's played his whole life is setting him up to fail?

Yes. It is setting him up to fail.

Frye AT PF is a problem. Just watch the freakin games. Geez your really being a baby tonight. Why bring up Sweetney? Is Sweetney 6'11 or is he 6'8?

Frye at center is a bigger problem. Did you watch last night for chissake? I brought up Sweetney to show you how a very good college center is not necesarily an NBA center. Tim Duncan played center 4 years too.

Tons of NBA players were centers in high-school.

I want the guy to succeed. I'm sorry but if your getting overmatched against the Rashos of the league moving to PF isnt the fix

He might be okay with Rasho because Rasho has no real game on offense F/PC, or otherwise. Z? Bad News.

Why can't Curry defend the center spot? (Though Curry is really a center-sized forward if I have ever seen one.) He has the size to do it!

Thanks for calling me names bud.

oohah






[Edited by - oohah on 28-10-2006 10:11 PM]

lots of quotes... still didnt say anything.

Frye still cant guard players that the other team puts at PF, regardless of whether or not you think they are centers or pfs.

The data doesnt lie this preseason. It didnt lie last year when Frye was better C either. So aside from Mike Sweetney and baseball examples your arguement is weak to say the least.

I guess we can keep running him out there, getting him in constant foul trouble and watch that carry over to his offense so he struggles all year. It seems to be working well so far this preseason.

Posted by joec32033:

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by joec32033:

Craziest idea of all?

I would trade either one of them right now for Amare Stoudemire.

HAHA!! Isn't that a no-brainer joe? You are gonna trade a 2nd year PF for a small gamble for the next dominant big man. WOW! You really went out on a limb there.

You feel confident of that even after his microfracture surgeries and all the stff going on around him in PHX now?

wait a second, are you saying you are not confident of the trade or are you saying its not a slam dunk of course everyone will do it trade? I would trade Channing Frye for Amare today. If there is the slightest possibility that PHO will do the trade, i'll start a separate thread for us to argue over. I really dont mean to single out your posts joe. I like talking basketball with you.

Posted by joec32033:

I'm talking about trading a promising young player

promising is ambiguous. What do you think his promise translates to on the stat sheet for phoenix. 20, 10 and 2? 18, 9 and 2? 16, 7 and 1?

for an injured player who had a surgery that has proven horrible for NBA players.

oversimplification. Its Amare 'the next big thing' Stoudemire, with an injury. Like I said, gambling on the next dominant big man. Once i know what you mean by "promising young player" in Frye, I can tell you how easy of a trade it will be.

http://www.82games.com/0506/05NYK18B.HTM

here's another one... the Knicks were most successfull last year when the played Frye with another PF, either Mo T or Lee. Incidentally they were the worst when Frye played with Curry or Jerome James.