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If you could dump Marbury and go forward with our mix of youth, would you do it? Keep Francis and start him with Craw. Q is the first shooting guard off the bench, and nate is the sparkplug. Does the team seem more balanceed without him. Say trade him for expiring "eddie jones" type player. Then let that contract and Jailen expire.
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10/11/2006  3:57 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Do the Knicks have anyone that can run a team as a point guard?

Maybe you were watching NJ Nets last year not being able to see the difference in how the team was ran without Marbs...

[Edited by - holfresh on 10-11-2006 3:58 PM]
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10/11/2006  4:02 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Do the Knicks have anyone that can run a team as a point guard?

Maybe you were watching NJ Nets last year not being able to see the difference in how the team was ran without Marbs...

[Edited by - holfresh on 10-11-2006 3:58 PM]

how did the team run WITH Marbs?
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10/11/2006  4:32 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Do the Knicks have anyone that can run a team as a point guard?

Maybe you were watching NJ Nets last year not being able to see the difference in how the team was ran without Marbs...

[Edited by - holfresh on 10-11-2006 3:58 PM]

Why are you taking shots? I asked a valid question, yet you bring up the Nets?

I'll say it again and this team I'll steal Martins thunder. This team does NOT have a player that can run the pointguard spot. With or without Marbury.

Not sure what that has to do with the Nets, but I guess it makes sense to you.
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10/11/2006  6:01 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Do the Knicks have anyone that can run a team as a point guard?

Maybe you were watching NJ Nets last year not being able to see the difference in how the team was ran without Marbs...

[Edited by - holfresh on 10-11-2006 3:58 PM]

Why are you taking shots? I asked a valid question, yet you bring up the Nets?

I'll say it again and this team I'll steal Martins thunder. This team does NOT have a player that can run the pointguard spot. With or without Marbury.

Not sure what that has to do with the Nets, but I guess it makes sense to you.


We are not going to have a back and forth about a guy who have been an all-star in this league running the point guard position...Don't let your hate cloud your basketball sense...Argue about a guy who probally is amoung the active assist leaders in the league and will be amoung the assist leaders in the NBA history when its all said and done...That guy can't run a team...
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10/11/2006  6:03 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Do the Knicks have anyone that can run a team as a point guard?

Maybe you were watching NJ Nets last year not being able to see the difference in how the team was ran without Marbs...

[Edited by - holfresh on 10-11-2006 3:58 PM]

Why are you taking shots? I asked a valid question, yet you bring up the Nets?

I'll say it again and this team I'll steal Martins thunder. This team does NOT have a player that can run the pointguard spot. With or without Marbury.

Not sure what that has to do with the Nets, but I guess it makes sense to you.


We are not going to have a back and forth about a guy who have been an all-star in this league running the point guard position...Don't let your hate cloud your basketball sense...Argue about a guy who probally is amoung the active assist leaders in the league and will be amoung the assist leaders in the NBA history when its all said and done...That guy can't run a team...


Statbury had one good run in the playoffs. What else he done?
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10/11/2006  6:27 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Do the Knicks have anyone that can run a team as a point guard?

Maybe you were watching NJ Nets last year not being able to see the difference in how the team was ran without Marbs...

[Edited by - holfresh on 10-11-2006 3:58 PM]

Why are you taking shots? I asked a valid question, yet you bring up the Nets?

I'll say it again and this team I'll steal Martins thunder. This team does NOT have a player that can run the pointguard spot. With or without Marbury.

Not sure what that has to do with the Nets, but I guess it makes sense to you.


We are not going to have a back and forth about a guy who have been an all-star in this league running the point guard position...Don't let your hate cloud your basketball sense...Argue about a guy who probally is amoung the active assist leaders in the league and will be amoung the assist leaders in the NBA history when its all said and done...That guy can't run a team...


Statbury had one good run in the playoffs. What else he done?

4 playoffs, 1 olympics, 2 time all-star PG. He certainly can run an offense when his head is screwed on right. There shouldn't even be any question about that. The only issue is his attitude, not his passing and playmaking.
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10/11/2006  6:35 PM
What has Marbury done? How could you ask such a question

Developed a $15 shoe


Sold a lot of Jerseys


Sold a lot of towels


Been in the olympics



Got Keith Van Horn traded


Got Kurt Thomas traded


Got Don Chaney fired


Got Lenny Wilkens to "resign"


Got Larry Brown fired


What will he accomplish next

[Edited by - basketballjones on 10-11-2006 18:45]
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10/11/2006  6:45 PM
Stats don't mean jack-**** to me. PGs are also supposed to lead your team and keep the ship steady, look at all the other great PGs in the league. Kidd, Nash, Paul, Cassell. Leadership and steadiness are both part of the job and Stephon has 0 qualification in EITHER category. To me thats alot more important than 20&8, I'm not the only one who thinks that way either. Just ask Rod Thorn and Jerry Colangelo what they think about his 20&8 and the lack of leadership and steadiness he provided.
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10/11/2006  6:51 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Stats don't mean jack-**** to me. PGs are also supposed to lead your team and keep the ship steady, look at all the other great PGs in the league. Kidd, Nash, Paul, Cassell. Leadership and steadiness are both part of the job and Stephon has 0 qualification in EITHER category. To me thats alot more important than 20&8, I'm not the only one who thinks that way either. Just ask Rod Thorn and Jerry Colangelo
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"I love his toughness, No. 1; I love his competitiveness, No. 2," Colangelo said. "In the world of sports or the world of life, who do you want with you in the trenches in time of war? Stephon Marbury is the kind of guy I want with me in the foxhole."
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I know; he later traded Marbury. The quote just shows how good a PG Marbury can be when he does have his head on straight, though. I think that's the only point people are making here.

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Posted by wsdm:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Stats don't mean jack-**** to me. PGs are also supposed to lead your team and keep the ship steady, look at all the other great PGs in the league. Kidd, Nash, Paul, Cassell. Leadership and steadiness are both part of the job and Stephon has 0 qualification in EITHER category. To me thats alot more important than 20&8, I'm not the only one who thinks that way either. Just ask Rod Thorn and Jerry Colangelo
Since you asked:
"I love his toughness, No. 1; I love his competitiveness, No. 2," Colangelo said. "In the world of sports or the world of life, who do you want with you in the trenches in time of war? Stephon Marbury is the kind of guy I want with me in the foxhole."
http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/100803aaa.html

I know; he later traded Marbury. The quote just shows how good a PG Marbury can be when he does have his head on straight, though. I think that's the only point people are making here.

If Colangelo said that quote after Marbury was traded, I'd say it held more water. Of course the GM is going to say good things about a player when they just sign him to a monster 4 year extension. So if everyone is saying Marbury COULD be good when his head is on straight than they are holding onto the past becuase its only happened once and it was that time the Spurs beat them in the 1st round.

Let's not hold onto false hope here.
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10/11/2006  6:59 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

Stats don't mean jack-**** to me. PGs are also supposed to lead your team and keep the ship steady, look at all the other great PGs in the league. Kidd, Nash, Paul, Cassell. Leadership and steadiness are both part of the job and Stephon has 0 qualification in EITHER category. To me thats alot more important than 20&8, I'm not the only one who thinks that way either. Just ask Rod Thorn and Jerry Colangelo what they think about his 20&8 and the lack of leadership and steadiness he provided.

Paul is very good but under your standard of judgement he gets a knock too for not winning anything...Those other point guards won nothing until they had all stars playing with them...
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No point guard on this planet wins it all alone...NONE...Ask Mark Jackson, John Stockton who needed Malone and still didnt win, Oscar Robertson who needed Lou Alcinder,Maurice Cheeks needed DOC..

You need someone to pass the ball to....Oh I forgot, Keith Van Horn played next to him...my bad..
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Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Stats don't mean jack-**** to me. PGs are also supposed to lead your team and keep the ship steady, look at all the other great PGs in the league. Kidd, Nash, Paul, Cassell. Leadership and steadiness are both part of the job and Stephon has 0 qualification in EITHER category. To me thats alot more important than 20&8, I'm not the only one who thinks that way either. Just ask Rod Thorn and Jerry Colangelo what they think about his 20&8 and the lack of leadership and steadiness he provided.

Paul is very good but under your standard of judgement he gets a knock too for not winning anything...Those other point guards won nothing until they had all stars playing with them...


Paul had a better record last year and his team in playoff contention in the WESTERN CONFERENCE with a cast of nobodies. Marbury has NEVER done that. He's had a boatload of talent in Phoenix and NJ and couldn't get it done. He's not a leader and I would never and I mean EVER have run my team.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-11-2006 7:05 PM]
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Stats don't mean jack-**** to me. PGs are also supposed to lead your team and keep the ship steady, look at all the other great PGs in the league. Kidd, Nash, Paul, Cassell. Leadership and steadiness are both part of the job and Stephon has 0 qualification in EITHER category. To me thats alot more important than 20&8, I'm not the only one who thinks that way either. Just ask Rod Thorn and Jerry Colangelo what they think about his 20&8 and the lack of leadership and steadiness he provided.

Paul is very good but under your standard of judgement he gets a knock too for not winning anything...Those other point guards won nothing until they had all stars playing with them...


Paul had a better record last year and his team in playoff contention in the WESTERN CONFERENCE with a cast of nobodies. Marbury has NEVER done that. He's had a boatload of talent in Phoenix and NJ and couldn't get it done. He's not a leader and I would never and I mean EVER have run my team.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-11-2006 7:05 PM]


Paul lost jsut like Marbs....who was this boatload to talent in NJ...Amare was a rook...Matrix made the all star team for the first time with Marbs...Please dude....Your hate is blinding you...



[Edited by - holfresh on 10-11-2006 7:08 PM]
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10/11/2006  7:06 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Stats don't mean jack-**** to me. PGs are also supposed to lead your team and keep the ship steady, look at all the other great PGs in the league. Kidd, Nash, Paul, Cassell. Leadership and steadiness are both part of the job and Stephon has 0 qualification in EITHER category. To me thats alot more important than 20&8, I'm not the only one who thinks that way either. Just ask Rod Thorn and Jerry Colangelo what they think about his 20&8 and the lack of leadership and steadiness he provided.

Paul is very good but under your standard of judgement he gets a knock too for not winning anything...Those other point guards won nothing until they had all stars playing with them...


Paul had a better record last year and his team in playoff contention in the WESTERN CONFERENCE with a cast of nobodies. Marbury has NEVER done that. He's had a boatload of talent in Phoenix and NJ and couldn't get it done. He's not a leader and I would never and I mean EVER have run my team.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-11-2006 7:05 PM]


and lost...

I find it funny that your even arguing this point. Last year's rookie Chris Paul vs Stephon Marbury. How the mighty have fallen.
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I don't see where I made a mention about winning in any of my posts. My posts concentrated on leadership and team stability, yeah winning is a factor, but this is the first I'm mentioning it.

C'mon Holfresh, say something bad about Marbury. I dare ya.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-11-2006 7:09 PM]
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10/11/2006  7:09 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:

Stats don't mean jack-**** to me. PGs are also supposed to lead your team and keep the ship steady, look at all the other great PGs in the league. Kidd, Nash, Paul, Cassell. Leadership and steadiness are both part of the job and Stephon has 0 qualification in EITHER category. To me thats alot more important than 20&8, I'm not the only one who thinks that way either. Just ask Rod Thorn and Jerry Colangelo what they think about his 20&8 and the lack of leadership and steadiness he provided.

Paul is very good but under your standard of judgement he gets a knock too for not winning anything...Those other point guards won nothing until they had all stars playing with them...


Paul had a better record last year and his team in playoff contention in the WESTERN CONFERENCE with a cast of nobodies. Marbury has NEVER done that. He's had a boatload of talent in Phoenix and NJ and couldn't get it done. He's not a leader and I would never and I mean EVER have run my team.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 10-11-2006 7:05 PM]


and lost...

I find it funny that your even arguing this point. Last year's rookie Chris Paul vs Stephon Marbury. How the mighty have fallen.


How did Paul do against the rest of the league...
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10/11/2006  7:11 PM
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How did Paul do against the rest of the league...


He actually had a better record against the rest of the league than Marbury did, if your asking. You honestly think Marbury is a better PG than Chris Paul?
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10/11/2006  7:16 PM
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How did Paul do against the rest of the league...


He actually had a better record against the rest of the league than Marbury did, if your asking. You honestly think Marbury is a better PG than Chris Paul?


Paul will be the best point guard in this league in 2 yrs...This is not able Paul and Marbury...It's about Marbs running a team...He can and has period...
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10/11/2006  7:17 PM
Posted by holfresh:

This is not able Paul and Marbury...It's about Marbs running a team...He can and has period...

He can and he has run teams...

...into the ground.
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