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joec32033
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10/9/2006  10:55 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I believe he was saying that to bash LB.

Everyone knows LB was a point guard...but an ABA outdated style of play PG (pass first)
Posted by MS:

And his latest comments about its nice to finaly play for a real pg; this guy is such a ****ing *******, its scary.....

It would be nice to be a real pg, steph

Is John Stockton an outdated PG?

When you lead your league in assists you know what you are doing.

Cousy would still be a great PG today (in the traditional sense).

What do you consider outdated? A PG who can lead the league in assists, run a half court and a running offense while only averaging 10 points? Is he outdated because you can't score?

Seems to me the players from the last generation (Byron Scott, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas(at least by reputation anyway), Nate McMillan, Scott Skiles, Avery Johnson, Rivers, Cheeks, Terry Porter) seem to be doing ok.
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10/9/2006  11:30 AM
I've thought about it a little, and as much as I love Crawford, I honestly don't think anyone on this team deserves to be captain after this season. We supposed to stand for team unity and we're rewarding players for a terrible terrible season last year.

If anything, Marbury should be stripped of his captain title and that's it. Jamal was one of the brighter spots, but obviously not bright enough to earn a captain title b/c the team didn't do crap last year. Yes, this team needs guys to look up to, but that can be established throughout the season. Giving rewards to guys who don't deserve anything is so typical with the Knicks.

Man, I can only imagine with some of the egos, how outraged some of the guys would be that THEY didn't become captain. Imagine what Nate says if David and Channing earns it but not him. Imagine what Marbury says if he loses it, or if Francis or Rose don't get it. I can just see it from a million miles away that this brings controversey.
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10/9/2006  11:31 AM
Marbury does need to stop with the LB comments. To his defense though, the media is pulling these quotes out of him after having long conversations. It is not like the first words out of his mouth are about LB. It is obvious the guy still hates LB, but he needs to let it go, and take the company line of "No Comment." Hopefully, the hate of LB will drive this team to the playoffs.

Marbury is going to be the captain because in the absence of a ture team leader, you have to make you best player the captian. Until it is proven otherwise, Marbury is still the best all-around player on the Knicks. I, however, would not mind seeing Crawford appointed as co-captain. On this Knicks team, Crawford is a leader and has shown that he is committed to improving his game and helping the team succeed.

I think Lee and Fyre will ultimately become captains on this team, but it is not their time yet.

In sum, I think the captains will be Marbury and Crawford and I don't think anyone on the team will have a problem with that.
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10/9/2006  11:58 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

I believe he was saying that to bash LB.

Everyone knows LB was a point guard...but an ABA outdated style of play PG (pass first)

Somebody should tell Nash that he's playing in an outdated style. He should really keep up with the times. If he did, he might even win an MVP or 2.

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10/9/2006  12:00 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by rvhoss:

I believe he was saying that to bash LB.

Everyone knows LB was a point guard...but an ABA outdated style of play PG (pass first)
Posted by MS:

And his latest comments about its nice to finaly play for a real pg; this guy is such a ****ing *******, its scary.....

It would be nice to be a real pg, steph

Is John Stockton an outdated PG?
YES...also, he never won a title.
When you lead your league in assists you know what you are doing.

Cousy would still be a great PG today (in the traditional sense).

What do you consider outdated? A PG who can lead the league in assists, run a half court and a running offense while only averaging 10 points? Is he outdated because you can't score?

Seems to me the players from the last generation (Byron Scott, Larry Bird, Isiah Thomas(at least by reputation anyway), Nate McMillan, Scott Skiles, Avery Johnson, Rivers, Cheeks, Terry Porter) seem to be doing ok.

He was more outdated in his attitude that there can only be one way to play the point.

there are more than one ways to play the point in today's NBA...Brown's Failure to see this is what I deem outdated.

For every pass first point guard there are shoot first point guards. Everyone forgets jordan was a PG for a time and while moved to SG and eventually SF, he always seemed to have the ball first over the time line.

Cheeks is a by gone era. The fact that you qualify Isiah indicates where the knicks and marbury are headed.
Funny, I thought magic johnson was the point guard...byron scott? I'm assuming you are using him because he won a title.
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10/9/2006  12:02 PM
I just re-read, i guess you are talking about players from the last generation in terms of coaching. And if that is the case then you are throwing you're full support behind isiah as a coach this year.
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10/9/2006  12:14 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

I just re-read, i guess you are talking about players from the last generation in terms of coaching. And if that is the case then you are throwing you're full support behind isiah as a coach this year.

That is an assumption you're making. I liked Isiah as a coach, and actually wished we had him as a coach instead of a GM. Problem is, it's not Isiah's coaching I am worried about(he is an average to above average X's and O's coach). My problem is with the team he oput together.

I never once said Isiah was a bad coach.
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10/9/2006  12:23 PM
He was more outdated in his attitude that there can only be one way to play the point.

there are more than one ways to play the point in today's NBA...Brown's Failure to see this is what I deem outdated.

For every pass first point guard there are shoot first point guards. Everyone forgets jordan was a PG for a time and while moved to SG and eventually SF, he always seemed to have the ball first over the time line.


Brown says Marbury can take 25 to 30 shots each game if they are quality opportunities and if he doesn't forget his coach's basic principles: defend, rebound, play unselfishly and take care of the ball.

"Did we lose (to Charlotte) because of our offense?" Brown asked about Saturday's loss to the Bobcats. "We got 109 points - we went up and down the court. How many teams in the league are averaging 109 points? Anybody can take as many quality shots as they want. And who has the ball?"


Clearly it wasn't the number of shots Brown had a problem with, it must have been the other requirements that ruffled Steph.

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10/9/2006  12:27 PM
LOL Pass first ppgs are out of date? Hmmm why does one keep winning the MVP? Why do other players rave about playing with Nash and Jkidd? They arent out of date. Its just that very few are intelligent enough and unselfish enough to play that way anymore. If you polled NBA players and asked them who they want to play with whose name do you think would come up most? Marbs, Nash or Jkidd? Whose name do you think would come up least?
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10/9/2006  12:55 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

LOL Pass first ppgs are out of date? Hmmm why does one keep winning the MVP? Why do other players rave about playing with Nash and Jkidd? They arent out of date. Its just that very few are intelligent enough and unselfish enough to play that way anymore. If you polled NBA players and asked them who they want to play with whose name do you think would come up most? Marbs, Nash or Jkidd? Whose name do you think would come up least?


How did Chauncy Billups fair with Brown? He was a Finals MVP winner under Brown. Although he didn't average that high of assist he played defense and took high % shots under Brown. I remember an interview they did with the Pistons during their championship run concerning coach Brown. Rip and Chauncy specifically said they hated the way Brown coached them but loved and respected what his coaching stood for and that they would run through a brick wall for him. They said he made them better players, which was true. Of course it's well documented that Brown supposedly wanted some of them traded, no different than them wanting him gone to some degree and how did it fair for the Pistons hiring a coach that gave their team more freedom? Ben Wallace hated Flip and others didn't particularly care for his style in the end and now the Pistons are stuck with Flip.
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10/9/2006  1:14 PM
No captain or let the players elect one.

I think its better not to have one than just give it to steph because he is going to sulk....sign of a great pg
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10/9/2006  2:25 PM
Posted by MS:

No captain or let the players elect one.

I think its better not to have one than just give it to steph because he is going to sulk....sign of a great pg

We should have 1 captain and that captain should be elected by the players not Isiah.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/9/2006  2:38 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by MS:

No captain or let the players elect one.

I think its better not to have one than just give it to steph because he is going to sulk....sign of a great pg

We should have 1 captain and that captain should be elected by the players not Isiah.

why should the knicks have 1 captain?
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10/9/2006  3:20 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Crawford is thee softest player on the squad. what can he lead?



Thank you Killa, let us now look at Crawford's qualifications to be captain:

Is he a nice guy?
Yes.
Has he had some very nice games and made some clutch shots?
Yes, unfortunately, most of those performances occured when the season was long over, and the last clutch shot he made that meant anything was the 3 pointer off the backboard against Houston-->Lenny Wilkens Era.
Has he ever been the best player on any team he has played on?
No.
Has he ever been a consistent performer?
No.
Is he an example of unselfish play?
No.
Is he an example of hard-nosed play?
No.
Is he an example of a defense-first player?
No.
Is he an example of a player who does all the little things sacrificing his numbers for the good of the team?
No.
Has he shown himself to be an emotional leader, a steadying influence in the locker room, any kind of leader at all?
No, Nein, Nyet.

The fact is, this team has no leader. In cases like this, you make the best player your captain and hope for a real captain to emerge. You do not give captain to perhaps your most disappointing player.

Marbury is the captain until a real captain emerges.

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 09-10-2006 04:07 AM]
Crawford is threatening to be those things this year



Is he really? Please elaborate.

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10/9/2006  3:51 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by MS:

No captain or let the players elect one.

I think its better not to have one than just give it to steph because he is going to sulk....sign of a great pg

We should have 1 captain and that captain should be elected by the players not Isiah.

why should the knicks have 1 captain?

As a representative that can go between the players and the management to keep things running 100% positively
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/9/2006  4:01 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by martin:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by MS:

No captain or let the players elect one.

I think its better not to have one than just give it to steph because he is going to sulk....sign of a great pg

We should have 1 captain and that captain should be elected by the players not Isiah.

why should the knicks have 1 captain?

As a representative that can go between the players and the management to keep things running 100% positively

Where was the captain last year?
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10/9/2006  4:16 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by martin:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by MS:

No captain or let the players elect one.

I think its better not to have one than just give it to steph because he is going to sulk....sign of a great pg

We should have 1 captain and that captain should be elected by the players not Isiah.

why should the knicks have 1 captain?

As a representative that can go between the players and the management to keep things running 100% positively

Where was the captain last year?

LOL He was the one in the mud fights with his teammates and coach
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/9/2006  4:24 PM
We should chip in $10 each and send Marbs to:

http://www.messiercamp.com/
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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10/9/2006  6:02 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

We should chip in $10 each and send Marbs to:

http://www.messiercamp.com/

LOL. Imagine that. Imagine if Marbury had the leadership qualities of Mark Messier, man what a difference that would make.
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10/9/2006  6:32 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

We should chip in $10 each and send Marbs to:

http://www.messiercamp.com/

LOL. Imagine that. Imagine if Marbury had the leadership qualities of Mark Messier, man what a difference that would make.

To me it says a ton that Messier has "Leadership" camps instead of just having a hockey or basketball camp. I dont care if Marbs is a leader or not. just dont drag my team down with selfishness nor demand to be captain when you are not captain material
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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