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10/8/2006  8:17 AM
apologies. But he did call my team the new york pricks.
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I am glad you aren't too. now a knick fan can use your ticket.
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I'm so glad I'm not buying tickets this year for the New York Pricks.

Ouch! That was brutally harsh!

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10/8/2006  9:22 AM
Isiah's a happy camper as Knicks head for home

BY FRANK ISOLA
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

CHARLESTON, S.C. - Larry Brown's practices here last year attracted a small army of pro and college coaches eager to see the Hall of Fame teacher at work. Those training sessions usually lasted three hours and featured Brown constantly interrupting practice to lecture the Knicks on their mistakes.

Isiah Thomas favors the short and sweet approach, with an occasional profanity thrown in. Camp Thomas concluded yesterday at the College of Charleston, four days earlier than Brown's first and last camp with the Knicks. The players certainly weren't complaining about the work load, which isn't necessarily a good thing. After all, this is a team that won 23 games last year.

But Thomas defended his shorter schedule, claiming that he was happy with his team's work habits and overall attitude.

"Our practices are mentally intense and physically intense," Thomas said before returning to New York yesterday. "Everything that I wrote down on the sheet of paper, we got that accomplished and more. Today being last day we had a lot of people who were physically banged up. And I thought we got every bit of energy and concentration that they had to give. I was very satisfied with what they left out on the floor."

At the end of yesterday's practice, the Knicks needed to hit 10 consecutive free throws as a team before being allowed to leave. Each errant shot resulted in one wind sprint, and the Knicks ran 10 wind sprints before finally making the free throws.

"Do you honestly think you can win games in the NBA without making free throws," Thomas said to the players.

At one point, Thomas gave his players the option of quitting but they declined. Last season, all they did was quit.

"It was a good camp," Stephon Marbury said, comparing Thomas' methods to those of Brown. "Obviously we didn't get nothing done last year."

Thomas said his main goals were to build confidence among the players and get them "solidified as a team," which is a thinly veiled criticism of Brown. The organization felt that Brown's public criticisms of the players had an overwhelmingly negative impact in the locker room. Coincidentally, it did unify most of the players - against their former coach.

"I'm making sure we leave here solidified as a unit," said Thomas, who will name team tri-captains before the start of the season.

The new coach talked about trying to establish stronger camaraderie on and off the court. Thomas says he invited filmmaker Spike Lee to Charleston to give the players a private screening of his acclaimed documentary, "When the Levees Broke."

"You want the team to have discussions about things that you don't normally talk about, things that are taboo - race, religion and politics," Thomas said. "The film gave them a way to address those sensitive subjects."

Lee, a longtime Knicks' season ticket-holder, has made several trips here over the years to preview his feature films. When Jeff Van Gundy coached the Knicks, Lee showed the team "He Got Game," a basketball movie loosely based on Marbury's life as a playground legend in Coney Island.

Thomas hinted that he'll incorporate more team-building activities throughout the season. His intentions may be good, but discussions on race, religion and politics won't necessarily help the Knicks win games. It still comes down to defense, rebounding and offensive efficiency, and the Knicks have a long way to go in all three departments.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/story/459695p-386787c.html

Can one day go by where Marbury actually focuses on the season and stops taking potshots like these? He won, he's here, Larry's not-right or wrong however you feel-that is what happened. Move on.

Comments like this keep coming out and I am going into this season with the expectation if it is bad the players are going to blame it on Brown.



[Edited by - joec32033 on 10-08-2006 09:22 AM]
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10/8/2006  9:31 AM
Last year they were gushing about camp.

They always gush about camp.

What they say don't mean a thing.

Its all about what happens on the court.

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10/8/2006  12:07 PM
Posted by nixluva:
Posted by oohah:

Did Marbury make a negative or derogatory comment about Francis that I missed?

He felt that Francis was brought in to ouster him, and that is probably true.

Francis doesn't like LB either that's obvious.

It seems that some are trying to cast this as a bad attitude of Marbury towards Francis, and I don't see that to be the case.

oohah

You're RIGHT! There is no problem between Steph and Francis. In fact the team itself seems to be getting along just fine. I think people are so sure that Steph is a team killer that can't help but assume that he always has some goal in mind to rip a fellow teammate. The problem is that they are wrong. Just because there have been a few guys over the years who haven't liked him, doesn't mean that ALL of his teammates don't like him. I'm only concerned with this team and from what I have been reading this team has been coming together rather well.

There didn't seem to be any problems when the team was winning games during the win streak last year and that's cuz things are usually good when you're winning. Steph has been on some losing teams so obviously NO ONE was happy and he's the easiest target to shoot at. The best player on the team, who just happens to be a surly and confident type of guy. The LB talk is just that, TALK. It has NOTHING to do with this teams morale or how they feel about each other. If it motivates them to play harder and come together, then so be it.

As for Basketball Jones and his kool-aid comment, we'll see whether i'm off base or not this year. It's not kool-aid drinking if it's based on valid reasoning. This team is bonding together and making the events of last year their rallying cry for this year. Isiah is using it and well he should. We don't have to like it. If it works then why should Isiah care how it looks or sounds. This team HAS to improve and Isiah's gonna use everything he can to get that done. It's not the only method he's using, but he's gonna pull out all the stops this year.

I hope you ARE right. I'd much rather have a winning team this year, and I'm intrigued by the possibilities. It's just that you manage to put a positive spin on whatever happens, which is kinda funny sometimes. Maybe it's becuase you think you have to counter the negativity on the site? I think we all know that a lot of the negativity will go away if the Knicks really do come together and have a decent season for a change.

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10/8/2006  8:55 PM
Posted by Nalod:


Its always the media that sucks! Then the knicks go out and prove them right!

Marbury is an idiot. While you want to throw the previous coach under the bus, he just made Isiah look stupid.

Its takes no rocket science to figure out that Larry wanted him gone. Why Isiah went along with any of this crap and bring in Francis is a joke. And Dolan Ok'd the trade, so whose fault is it? All of them!

Marbury just did the divide with Stevie. Nice job moron!

And he admitted he turned off larry one month into the season. Find a reason for Marbury and he does not turn back!

Thus, he underminded him all season long.

Give Larry his money. Case closed.

Because of he didnt, then we would have the same simpletons screaming at Thomas for not bringing in "Larry Brown type players".

We all know if anyone could have made a Marbury/Francis back court work, it's Larry Brown
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10/8/2006  9:19 PM
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that drunkathlete.com site is pretty good. I like the Giambi pic!


haha best website ever! I like the Al Leiter one
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10/8/2006  11:03 PM
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by wsdm:

that drunkathlete.com site is pretty good. I like the Giambi pic!


haha best website ever! I like the Al Leiter one

That one's not bad. I liked the Giambi one because I can relate to it from personal experience!

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10/8/2006  11:10 PM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by wsdm:

that drunkathlete.com site is pretty good. I like the Giambi pic!


haha best website ever! I like the Al Leiter one

That one's not bad. I liked the Giambi one because I can relate to it from personal experience!


You've had Giambi sign your boob?
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10/8/2006  11:13 PM
Posted by nixluva:

I think you guys are missing something. Isiah is ALLOWING this kind of talk. It's clear that he gave the OK, cuz the way MSG does things they won't let something like this happen unless its on purpose. Isiah is using the LB hatred to be a source of drive for this team. So many of the guys clearly feed off of wanting to prove LB and others wrong, that Isiah is smartly using it to give the players a focus. He's been working on team unity and anger can be a good tool when channelled the right way. It's not the only thing he's using, but he's clearly circling the wagons and giving the team the old "it's us against the world" treatment.

There's been a concerted effort to develop more team unity this year and it can be seen with the way the players are helping each other thru drills. This team actually likes each other and many are friends off the court. Most of them expressed wanting to stay together at the end of last year. We won't have a divided lockerroom. There isn't a huge negative force like last year. The Mental attitude of the team is totally different from last year. This isn't a negative thing, even tho it might seem like it.

How do you 'channel' anger the right way in forming unity? What ever happened to basketball fundamentals? We're going to build a team on anger? If this is Zeke's plan (and I don't think he's that dumb) then he surely is going out the door. That's a suicidal plan if you ask me! We're talking about psychology here in all the wrong places. A sort of 'psych out the players' to get results. That's like taking drugs because they put on a higher level of energy, only to come crashing down. We need players who concentrate and play hard at the game and that's all.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/8/2006  11:14 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by wsdm:

that drunkathlete.com site is pretty good. I like the Giambi pic!


haha best website ever! I like the Al Leiter one

That one's not bad. I liked the Giambi one because I can relate to it from personal experience!


You've had Giambi sign your boob?
LOLOL! That's not exactly what I meant!
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10/8/2006  11:16 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by gunsnewing:
Posted by wsdm:

that drunkathlete.com site is pretty good. I like the Giambi pic!


haha best website ever! I like the Al Leiter one

That one's not bad. I liked the Giambi one because I can relate to it from personal experience!


You've had Giambi sign your boob?

I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/8/2006  11:19 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by nixluva:

I think you guys are missing something. Isiah is ALLOWING this kind of talk. It's clear that he gave the OK, cuz the way MSG does things they won't let something like this happen unless its on purpose. Isiah is using the LB hatred to be a source of drive for this team. So many of the guys clearly feed off of wanting to prove LB and others wrong, that Isiah is smartly using it to give the players a focus. He's been working on team unity and anger can be a good tool when channelled the right way. It's not the only thing he's using, but he's clearly circling the wagons and giving the team the old "it's us against the world" treatment.

There's been a concerted effort to develop more team unity this year and it can be seen with the way the players are helping each other thru drills. This team actually likes each other and many are friends off the court. Most of them expressed wanting to stay together at the end of last year. We won't have a divided lockerroom. There isn't a huge negative force like last year. The Mental attitude of the team is totally different from last year. This isn't a negative thing, even tho it might seem like it.

How do you 'channel' anger the right way in forming unity? What ever happened to basketball fundamentals? We're going to build a team on anger? If this is Zeke's plan (and I don't think he's that dumb) then he surely is going out the door. That's a suicidal plan if you ask me! We're talking about psychology here in all the wrong places. A sort of 'psych out the players' to get results. That's like taking drugs because they put on a higher level of energy, only to come crashing down. We need players who concentrate and play hard at the game and that's all.

As crazy as it sounds, I actually understand where Nix is coming from. I still think he dropping acid while smoking PCP, but I do get where he is coming from. He thinks Isiah is pulling some old school Pat Riley tihs. Great thought but Rileys team was a team of very mentally strong, warriors. Riley also channeled that "us vs the world" energy into one facet of the game-defense. You can control your defense 100% of the time. You can't control if your offense is messed up and the shots just ain' falling. Riley challenged guys manhood. Isiah is telling these guys to channel all of this energy into a 65 yr old coach-a coach who everyone else that has played for him looks at him like a grandfather figure.
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10/8/2006  11:21 PM
The Knicks new pre-game "bonding" chant:

F**k you old man!
F**k you old man!
Die! die! die!
Go Knicks!
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10/8/2006  11:22 PM
Jason Terry is picking some ripe ones right off the ugly tree...



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10/8/2006  11:52 PM
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by nixluva:

I think you guys are missing something. Isiah is ALLOWING this kind of talk. It's clear that he gave the OK, cuz the way MSG does things they won't let something like this happen unless its on purpose. Isiah is using the LB hatred to be a source of drive for this team. So many of the guys clearly feed off of wanting to prove LB and others wrong, that Isiah is smartly using it to give the players a focus. He's been working on team unity and anger can be a good tool when channelled the right way. It's not the only thing he's using, but he's clearly circling the wagons and giving the team the old "it's us against the world" treatment.

There's been a concerted effort to develop more team unity this year and it can be seen with the way the players are helping each other thru drills. This team actually likes each other and many are friends off the court. Most of them expressed wanting to stay together at the end of last year. We won't have a divided lockerroom. There isn't a huge negative force like last year. The Mental attitude of the team is totally different from last year. This isn't a negative thing, even tho it might seem like it.

How do you 'channel' anger the right way in forming unity? What ever happened to basketball fundamentals? We're going to build a team on anger? If this is Zeke's plan (and I don't think he's that dumb) then he surely is going out the door. That's a suicidal plan if you ask me! We're talking about psychology here in all the wrong places. A sort of 'psych out the players' to get results. That's like taking drugs because they put on a higher level of energy, only to come crashing down. We need players who concentrate and play hard at the game and that's all.

As crazy as it sounds, I actually understand where Nix is coming from. I still think he dropping acid while smoking PCP, but I do get where he is coming from. He thinks Isiah is pulling some old school Pat Riley tihs. Great thought but Rileys team was a team of very mentally strong, warriors. Riley also channeled that "us vs the world" energy into one facet of the game-defense. You can control your defense 100% of the time. You can't control if your offense is messed up and the shots just ain' falling. Riley challenged guys manhood. Isiah is telling these guys to channel all of this energy into a 65 yr old coach-a coach who everyone else that has played for him looks at him like a grandfather figure.

Point taken, but what Riley team are you talking of?
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/8/2006  11:52 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

The Knicks new pre-game "bonding" chant:

F**k you old man!
F**k you old man!
Die! die! die!
Go Knicks!

Can we stop it already? That doesn't help!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/8/2006  11:53 PM
Posted by eViL:

Jason Terry is picking some ripe ones right off the ugly tree...



I'm starting to hate these pictures.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/8/2006  11:59 PM
Posted by 4949:
Posted by joec32033:
Posted by 4949:
Posted by nixluva:

I think you guys are missing something. Isiah is ALLOWING this kind of talk. It's clear that he gave the OK, cuz the way MSG does things they won't let something like this happen unless its on purpose. Isiah is using the LB hatred to be a source of drive for this team. So many of the guys clearly feed off of wanting to prove LB and others wrong, that Isiah is smartly using it to give the players a focus. He's been working on team unity and anger can be a good tool when channelled the right way. It's not the only thing he's using, but he's clearly circling the wagons and giving the team the old "it's us against the world" treatment.

There's been a concerted effort to develop more team unity this year and it can be seen with the way the players are helping each other thru drills. This team actually likes each other and many are friends off the court. Most of them expressed wanting to stay together at the end of last year. We won't have a divided lockerroom. There isn't a huge negative force like last year. The Mental attitude of the team is totally different from last year. This isn't a negative thing, even tho it might seem like it.

How do you 'channel' anger the right way in forming unity? What ever happened to basketball fundamentals? We're going to build a team on anger? If this is Zeke's plan (and I don't think he's that dumb) then he surely is going out the door. That's a suicidal plan if you ask me! We're talking about psychology here in all the wrong places. A sort of 'psych out the players' to get results. That's like taking drugs because they put on a higher level of energy, only to come crashing down. We need players who concentrate and play hard at the game and that's all.

As crazy as it sounds, I actually understand where Nix is coming from. I still think he dropping acid while smoking PCP, but I do get where he is coming from. He thinks Isiah is pulling some old school Pat Riley tihs. Great thought but Rileys team was a team of very mentally strong, warriors. Riley also channeled that "us vs the world" energy into one facet of the game-defense. You can control your defense 100% of the time. You can't control if your offense is messed up and the shots just ain' falling. Riley challenged guys manhood. Isiah is telling these guys to channel all of this energy into a 65 yr old coach-a coach who everyone else that has played for him looks at him like a grandfather figure.

Point taken, but what Riley team are you talking of?

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10/9/2006  12:06 AM
You got me. That is' a fair statement.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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10/9/2006  1:49 AM
The only thing is that LB wasn't that warm and cuddly grandpa, more like the drunk old uncle that kept accidently burning you with his cigarettes and scratching you with his unshaven face hairs. You want to love him but he's just so messed up. It's easy for Isiah to get the troops to say hey that guy thinks you're loser's and should just be tossed out with the trash. The Knicks players have so much dislike for LB that it just might add a little something to their effort level.

I also wouldn't be too sure that Isiah isn't looking to have this team pick up it's defensive intensity. Isiah has always believed in Defense, but he likes the offensive side of the ball better. He's not the only Coach like that. Whether or not he can get this team to win like that is what we'll have to find out, but I think it's unfair to think he's not gonna have this team playing harder on D.
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