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Brown bolts to Philly- Kinda kills one of the arguments LB lovers use.
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nyk4ever
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9/26/2006  11:47 PM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by Bobby:

lets get one thing straight, if this was chaney coaching that produced a 23 game win season and someone defended that record with show me "burden of proof" that person(s) would probably be banned from every knick forum for life.

now that larry brown is the holder of that record and all of sudden the same rules don't apply. any more double standards, favortism, and lame excuses needed for this sugar coated letdown.


I doubt the defenders of Brown would be anymore pleased if Marbury and Co quit on Lenny or Herb. I know I wasn't.

I don't care whose the coach, I hate the fact that the Knicks have built around the players they were/are building around. Marbury/Francis/Curry are the epitamy of quitter when you like it up in the dictionary and I'm sick of my favorite team relying on players like this. This is why I liked Brown, I felt he was the one who could change the culture here. The team/gm/owner didn't allow him to change it and would rather keep going with the failing plan they've gone through since Dolan got here. Thats whats got me mad. Like it or not, agree with me, disagree with me, I don't care. Thats what pisses me off.
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9/27/2006  1:20 AM
Ironically, Brown closed on a six-bedroom, 6 1/2 bath, four-fireplace, 12,773 square-foot Greenwich

Like to be the real estate broker on that one. Let's assume that that puppy cost 12.5mm$. The broker gets the whole shindig[agents get 1/2 or less] at 5%--- that are walking with a cool 625,000$
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9/27/2006  5:02 AM
September 27, 2006 -- When Larry Brown tacked on an extra $12.5 million in damages he's seeking from the Knicks in this coming Friday's hearing, he listed "attorney fees" as part of the reason.

And you can see why. Clearly out for blood, Brown hired one of the country's most powerful law firms, Washington-D.C.-based Williams and Connolly, which represented former President Clinton in his impeachment proceedings.

The firm's top contract litigator, Nick Boyle, has been in Manhattan the past few days preparing for the hearing, to be presided by NBA Commissioner David Stern.

It also could be a sign the sides are trying to reach a contract settlement before Friday.

Brown had $41 million left on his contract that owner James Dolan withheld, feeling Brown broke terms in his pact in guiding the Knicks to a 23-59 record.

It's another distraction for the Knicks, still dealing with the cloud of Brown as president/coach Isiah Thomas tries to prepare for the opening of training camp Monday in Charleston.

In fact, the Knicks are breaking from tradition and won't make Thomas available for comment until Monday's media day. Brown, meanwhile, has moved his family to the Philadelphia area to enroll his kids in their old school. Sixer President Billy King, a close friend of Brown, said through a spokesman he has not spoken to Brown about bringing him aboard.

I just wanted to post this, Killa, because you know, any other type of retraction will get printed on page 24 using size one font.
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9/27/2006  9:18 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Ironically, Brown closed on a six-bedroom, 6 1/2 bath, four-fireplace, 12,773 square-foot Greenwich

Like to be the real estate broker on that one. Let's assume that that puppy cost 12.5mm$. The broker gets the whole shindig[agents get 1/2 or less] at 5%--- that are walking with a cool 625,000$

Knick coaches should rent, not buy.

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9/27/2006  9:23 AM
Why do people care where LB lives. Why do people care where LB works next? Aren't you Knicks fans? Does anyone care where Lenny or Chaney are living? You were duped. We were all duped. Once again duped by management that brought in a name to hype you up about the coming season even though that name didn't fit into our long-term plans.

Let's pretend that LB was the anti-christ. Let's pretend that LB's sole purpose was to come here and drag the Knicks to the bottom. Let's pretend that LB hates NY so much that all he wanted to do was drag this franchise to the lowest depths of the NBA. Let's pretend all of this is true. Now assuming all of that is true let's think about what GM and what organization hired him. And why that GM and organization continues to be victims of hiring bad coaches or bad fits. Every year it's been the caoch's fault here. Every year we've had bad coaches thta have dragged our team down in the mud. So why do we keep making this same mistake? Bad organization that's why. End of story.

Now as for LB and Isiah. Isiah is here, LB is gone. Now I care about Isiah and don't care about LB. Isiah is going to have his own way of doing things. Guys that deserve to play are going to be sitting. There is no way around that. But since LB was the problem I am expecting the players on our team now to accept their roles as starters, role players and bench players. LB was the problem. We have all determined this. So why should I not expect prefect attitudes?????
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9/27/2006  4:15 PM
Originally posted by BlueSeats:

But if you think Brown came with reasonable intentions and that something went south thereafter, that is the conversation to which I engage. What were the dynamics within the organization which fractured the sense of team so badly. It surely included Brown, but it wasn't limited to him. To focus so much collective angst solely against Brown is self deceiving IMO.

I agree that everything wrong with the Knicks cannot be placed on Brown's head. My personal frustration with Brown is that I think he really breached his obligations to the organization.

You may not like IT and may think he is the absolute worse GM in the league (which I don't agree), but I don't think anyone can say that IT has not made his moves with the intent of making the Knicks a better team. He might have made some bad moves, but you at least felt that IT was trying. In contrast, Brown is a MUCH better coach that he showed last year. I honestly believe that he came in here with good intentions, saw that these players could not play the way he wanted them to play, particularly on defense, and set out to force changes. I am not saying he did it with a malicious intent. He certainly could have believed that his actions, in the longrun, would work out for the Knicks benefit. The problem I have is that Brown is/was the coach. The coach is paid to get the most out of the players on the roster, no matter who those players are. Brown failed to do that.

If Brown had a problem with certain players, then sit those players and communicate to them clearly why they are sitting. If Brown needed new players, then go to IT and ask for new players and let IT work it out, but with the understanding that it is IT's job to make the final decision on who is going to be on the roster. If Brown was not happy with what IT was doing and did not think that IT would get him the players he needed to succeed, then he should have quit and walked away from the situation (and by saying this, I am not suggesting Brown was right or wrong with his evaluation of the players). But the one thing Brown could not do is the one thing that IMO he did, which was to f--k up the season in an attempt to force the issue. He should have simply done his best to teach these guys and create as much stability and cohesiveness as possible. If it didn't work, it didn't work, but at least, we would have all felt that he gave everything he could to build as strong a team as possible. Instead, we are left with the clear impression that Brown did not like his players and was doing his best to get them moved off the roster as opposed to working on building a team. That is why I put most of the blame for last season on Brown's head.

I, however, agree that we do have problems beyond Brown that need to be resolved, and there is a serious question whether these players will ever come together as a playoff-caliber team. Is Marbury a player that can lead? Can this team play defense? Will the players accept their roles? Will Curry ever reach his potential? These are but a few of the questions that thankfully (or maybe I should say hopefully) will be answered in the next few months.

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9/27/2006  5:35 PM
i'm curious - can anyone here say with any sense of seriousness that dolan, mills and isiah are not all buffoons and shouldn't all immediately end their associations with our knicks? how DARE they ruin fish's offseason??
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9/27/2006  5:41 PM
Posted by Marv:

i'm curious - can anyone here say with any sense of seriousness that dolan, mills and isiah are not all buffoons and shouldn't all immediately end their associations with our knicks? how DARE they ruin fish's offseason??

LOL. I will gladly say that Dolan, Mill, and Isiah are the downfall of the New York Knicks. I don't just say it becuase I believe it, I say it becuase it's the truth.
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9/28/2006  10:57 AM
I don't think that Isiah is the anti-christ. But how many coaches and players does the guy have to buy-out before you guys realize that the moves that we complain about were mistakes just like we said. Now if he wants to correct those mistakes and follow our way of thinking like he has been for the past summer than I'm on board with that. I have no problem with a guy admitting mistakes and fixing them. Aren't the buyouts admission that we were correct in complaining about this crap. Buy-outs are not a plan. Yes he could have done this same thing 2.5 years ago because it was obvious that this is what we needed. Yest it's taken him 2.5 years to figure it out(hopefully) but I'm okay with that.But even the diehards have to admit that Buy-outs are admission that the original plan was not working and NOW I'm going to do what others have been biotching about for 2.5 years.

It's just so confusing. Guy goes out and gets offensive players who refuse to accept roles. I complain about this and say why isn't guy getting defensive players and role players. I called pessimist. Guy then buys out people I complain about and replaces them with defensive players and role players. Guy called genious. I still pessimist. I confuse.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 09-28-2006 10:59 AM]
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Brown bolts to Philly- Kinda kills one of the arguments LB lovers use.

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