Posted by oohah:

ooh, baby, you're too good for this shallow nonsense, so why do you do it? Seriously, why?

I can't speak for anyone else but the reason I supported Brown is because I perceived some things to be broken before he arrived that I hoped he could fix.

It is not shallow nor is it nonsense. It has nothing to do with whether you supported Brown in the past or not.

What it has do with is the overwhelming negativity that has carried over to many poster's hopes and outlook for this team that is directly traced back to the firing of LB (who was a cancerous influence on the Knicks).

You might write back that "Nobody feels that way, they just have concerns about certain issues", that may be true for some, but for many regulars around here, it is personally about Brown. Like i've said, I've been around for the past season. And I just don't understand it because it isn't like LB did one damn thing to make us hope bad for the franchise because he was fired.

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My Dislike of Brown and what he did to the team are basketball related, It's not personal. If he did well or at least tried to, I wouldn't care that he is an ass-hole at all. For some dudes it is personal. If your feelings about the outlook of the team is not about your personal feelings about Brown you should not take my comments personally.

oohah

Posted by BlueSeats:



Sounds like a bunch of conjecture based on nothing to me, but I wish you'd name names so we could hear from them.

Blue, it doesn't matter what you say, you've been labled and so have other people. You are a Brown-ite and so am I. Now that Brown is gone, the world is over for us and we have nothing to look forward too. There is no NBA anymore and now that Brown is gone the Knicks will win 45 games becuase he was the only problem. Thats our label and if we don't stick to it, people will call us out on it. Just thought you'd like to know.

Posted by oohah:

RV, Right or Wrong, positive or negative, at least you are taking an actual stand.

Oh sh!t now I'm gonna "man up"! No wishy washy crap!

I think this Knicks team is a 35-39 win team. I am expecting 39 wins though.

I am expecting a rough start, maybe 3-7, 5-10. (At that point many around these parts will say "I told you so" and begin to burn IT in effigy internet-board style.)

December: the Knicks will improve and have 2 to 3 solid win streaks.

Around .500 at the all-star break. Around .500 the rest of the way.

Francis and Marbury are both very good and will score around 40-45 points a game.

Knicks make the 8th seed and give Miami a couple of good games losing 2-4 in the series.

I might be wrong!

Should Isiah thomas make any major personell moves I reserve the right to revise my predictions

Stay tuned for more actual opinions!

oohah

Are these opinions or predictions? Someone have a dictionary?

Posted by oohah:

This supposes they weren't negative immediately before the firing of Brown, and I'd be surprised if that were the case.

I think you have missed what I was saying entirely.

Let me clarify: Right around the time that the LB firing news was announced MANY regular posters here stated in no uncertain terms that they were now rooting for the team to lose this upcoming season because LB was gone and IT was in. This is a fact.

Spin it any way you want, but the posts are there in permanent type. If there were a search feature I could pull a few quotes for you, though I am not sure that I would because I have no time for fights right now.

So it is not about a positive or negative viewpoint on the outlook of the team. It is about rooting against your own team on account of liking one guy and disliking another. I find that distasteful.

I root for my team, LB, IT, Layden, McLoed, Riley, Nelson, Jackson...whoever!

I can see positives even if I am totally pissed about some move or another.

I root to win no matter the outlook or personalities.

Sounds like a bunch of conjecture based on nothing to me, but I wish you'd name names so we could hear from them.

I know you read this forum just as I do. Many guys on it have a personal stake with this whole LB thing and it has colored their opinions negative about everything. If you deny that for many guys it is personal then what can I say?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 09-01-2006 2:44 PM]

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by oohah:

This supposes they weren't negative immediately before the firing of Brown, and I'd be surprised if that were the case.

I think you have missed what I was saying entirely.

Let me clarify: Right around the time that the LB firing news was announced MANY regular posters here stated in no uncertain terms that they were now rooting for the team to lose this upcoming season because LB was gone and IT was in. This is a fact.

Spin it any way you want, but the posts are there in permanent type. If there were a search feature I could pull a few quotes for you, though I am not sure that I would because I have no time for fights right now.

So it is not about a positive or negative viewpoint on the outlook of the team. It is about rooting against your own team on account of liking one guy and disliking another. I find that distasteful.

I root for my team, LB, IT, Layden, McLoed, Riley, Nelson, Jackson...whoever!

I can see positives even if I am totally pissed about some move or another.

I root to win no matter the outlook or personalities.

Sounds like a bunch of conjecture based on nothing to me, but I wish you'd name names so we could hear from them.

I know you read this forum just as I do. Many guys on it have a personal stake with this whole LB thing and it has colored their opinions negative about everything. If you deny that for many guys it is personal then what can I say?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 09-01-2006 2:44 PM]

Ooh ahh I do remember people saying this. I'm with you on that. But if you are going to accuse someone of saying something that silly you need to bring up a quote. You need to have proof instead of harping on that belief with someone that doesn't feel that way(like you've done with me countless times). You are right to call out those people that do that. I agree with you 100%. But have proof when you call someone out. Otherwise you just sound pointless. I can type 10000 times over and over again how we need to get behind Isiah and give him the same level of suppor that we would expect to give any coach to turn around our team. No matter how many times I type it, we have to hear you say things like "oh we know how you really feel". Blah, blah, blah. It just makes for bad interaction and not to be politically incorrect, but it's stupid.

If you are going to call someone out on soemthing they said, have proof they said it.

If you are going to call someone out on soemthing they said, have proof they said it.

Posted by oohah:

This supposes they weren't negative immediately before the firing of Brown, and I'd be surprised if that were the case.

I think you have missed what I was saying entirely.

Let me clarify: Right around the time that the LB firing news was announced MANY regular posters here stated in no uncertain terms that they were now rooting for the team to lose this upcoming season because LB was gone and IT was in. This is a fact.

Spin it any way you want, but the posts are there in permanent type. If there were a search feature I could pull a few quotes for you, though I am not sure that I would because I have no time for fights right now.

So it is not about a positive or negative viewpoint on the outlook of the team. It is about rooting against your own team on account of liking one guy and disliking another. I find that distasteful.

I root for my team, LB, IT, Layden, McLoed, Riley, Nelson, Jackson...whoever!

I can see positives even if I am totally pissed about some move or another.

I root to win no matter the outlook or personalities.

Sounds like a bunch of conjecture based on nothing to me, but I wish you'd name names so we could hear from them.

I know you read this forum just as I do. Many guys on it have a personal stake with this whole LB thing and it has colored their opinions negative about everything. If you deny that for many guys it is personal then what can I say?

oohah

[Edited by - oohah on 09-01-2006 2:44 PM]

Well I appreciate your clarification on the matter. It's much less confusing to deal in specifics than generalities.

I wasn't one of the people who said that, but I don't see it as the crime you do. If you are willing to accept that some people don't think Isiah is a good GM for this team, and you know Dolan said he's gone in the absence of significant improvement, it follows that they'd feel we'd be better off long-term by having anther poor season and changing the guard.

My own feelings on isiah are rather complicated. Many like to break him down as a good draft evaluator but a bad trader. While there is evidence of both assumptions my biggest complain of him is as a manager of people. He's often either loved or hated. If your one of "his guys" you're golden, but f you're not watch your back. I thought his handling of guys like Chaney, Shandon, Fratello, Mutombo, Lenny, Marbury and Brown have ranged from bad to awful. I had no particular love for Dr Norman Scott, but Isiah turned over the entire training staff, many of who were quite celibrated, and the reults so far with Marbury's knees, Q's back, the conditioning of mo, James and Curry, etc, have not been promising. The law suit with Anuscha doesn't help and there were reports of "wild arguments" that coincided with the firing of Frank Murphy, the senior VP of Basketball Operations.

So I'm both critical of Isiah and supportive. I like some of his draft picks, though I think he should have geared our rebuild around higher picks. Can't say I care for many of his veterans, though Crawford is growing on me, especially the more he comes off the bench and deals with it like a man. But what I dislike most about him is his managing of people. Over empowering Marbury has been insane. You can't show and tell him this is his team and then downplay his leadership role and shield him from accountability. His ability to chose and empower coaches has been a disaster. His need to revamp every facet of the ball club in a short time, including: the roster, the coaching staff, the medical staff, the marketing head, the VP of basketball operations, the BROADCASTER (I love Marv Albert more than any other individual presently associated with the team. Talk about a REAL Knick and a REAL Knick fan...) and for all his efforts find himself as the only guy who can successfully (we HOPE) coach the team and keep it from imploding for the third consecutive season.