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8/16/2006  11:41 PM
Posted by Rich:

I think a trade is still possible.

I hope so Rich. As I've said before and others have too, Webber would be THE perfect addition to this offense Isiah is going to try and put in. It's funny, I think the thing that has made Webber so good over the years isn't the fact that he gets 20 and 10 every nite, it's the fact that he's such a great passer and thats hard to come by down in the blocks, yet that has gone unheralded when anyone talks about CWebb.
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8/17/2006  1:32 AM
what about
New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Maurice Taylor
6-9 PF from Michigan
6.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 18.0 minutes
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
8.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.2 minutes
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
4.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.6 minutes
Incoming
Chris Webber
6-10 PF from Michigan
20.2 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.4 apg in 38.6 minutes
Bobby Jones
6-7 from Washington
No games yet played in 2005/06
Change in team outlook: +1.2 ppg, -1.3 rpg, and +0.1 apg.


Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Chris Webber
6-10 PF from Michigan
20.2 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.4 apg in 38.6 minutes
Bobby Jones
6-7 from Washington
No games yet played in 2005/06
Incoming
Maurice Taylor
6-9 PF from Michigan
6.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 18.0 minutes
Quentin Richardson
6-6 SG from DePaul
8.2 ppg, 4.2 rpg, 1.6 apg in 26.2 minutes
Malik Rose
6-7 PF from Drexel
4.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.9 apg in 15.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.2 ppg, +1.3 rpg, and -0.1 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to New York and Philadelphia being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York and Philadelphia had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

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8/17/2006  1:34 AM
you get rid of mot malik and q for the development of frye and lee!!!!!!you get bobby jones who is a fantastic defender

phili gets rid of webb and gets an expireing plus a hometown boy in malik
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8/17/2006  7:27 AM
ny4ever...your missing my point. you keep referring to his time with the Spurs...As a Knick fan I could care less about what he did when he was a Spur. But since your so high and stuck on what he did while he played for the Spurs, fine he was a "winner" with the Spurs. That in no way shape or form helped the Knicks last year. He sucked as a Knick last year. Believe me he was not the only player who did. To me, he was one of the worst players on the roster last year. All that boils down to this....If we can improve our roster by giving up Malik Rose I would do it in a heartbeat.
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8/17/2006  8:11 AM
i'd love to have bobby jones off the bench, i think he's the next bruce bowen
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8/17/2006  9:54 AM
Posted by TMS:

i hope you're not implying that we have the necessary pieces to obtain a guy like Kobe Bryant... even if LA was looking to deal him, there's no way they would trade him unless they were getting back a guy like Lebron or D Wade... anything less wouldn't have a shot in hell of interesting the Lakers man.


No I am not saying we could get Kobe, I am just saying he would fit in here - as far as the pieces we have - I am saying we have enough pieces to pry a high calibur player away from a team looking to rebuild. If the Celts wanted to dump Pierce I bet we could land him.

As far as possible trade scenarios go, I dont really get into those because they are all total BS. I am just simply stating that the Knicks have more pieces to ship off then people give them credit for - fans and media included.
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8/17/2006  9:55 AM
Posted by Panos:
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You know who would be great on this team? Kobe.

Now I am not saying the Lakers would ever trade him, but the Knicks have a lot of pieces to send someone's way if they are looking to dump salary and rebuild.

Kobe is exactly what this roster needs - a superstar who can take over the game, can hit basically any shot on the court, and plays defense. Yes the guy is incredibly selfish - but he has something to prove now that Shaq got ring #4 and he got knocked out of the playoffs.

This team needs a real 2...they got the 5 in Curry - he isnt perfect but he would do well with a superstar at the 2 guard. We have the 4 in Frye. We have the 3 in Q/Jeffries/Blakman?, our 2 spot is way too undersized...and at the point we have Marbury - who if he was placed next to a TRUE superstar, would benefit greatly.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
That's a good one. While we're at it, let's get Duncan too!


If you read what I said - you would see I was not stating that we could actually get Kobe.
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8/17/2006  10:16 AM
I don't think we need another ball-dominating two next to marbury. I think we need another defender who can shoot and finish. battier would've been great - i think childress is a good fit as well, and he might be available since atl is overloaded with young swingmen. marbury should learn to play in a system with curry as the low post threat and frye as the pick and roll counterpart. then if he penetrates and dishes he should have a shooter at the 2 along with frye. then on defense we'd have two guys to really bother the opponent's swingmen and hopefully we can develop frye and or curry into a decent defender.
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8/17/2006  10:29 AM
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by TMS:

i hope you're not implying that we have the necessary pieces to obtain a guy like Kobe Bryant... even if LA was looking to deal him, there's no way they would trade him unless they were getting back a guy like Lebron or D Wade... anything less wouldn't have a shot in hell of interesting the Lakers man.


No I am not saying we could get Kobe, I am just saying he would fit in here - as far as the pieces we have - I am saying we have enough pieces to pry a high calibur player away from a team looking to rebuild. If the Celts wanted to dump Pierce I bet we could land him.

As far as possible trade scenarios go, I dont really get into those because they are all total BS. I am just simply stating that the Knicks have more pieces to ship off then people give them credit for - fans and media included.

The Celtics just gave Pierce a 3 or 4 year extension. Teams don't look to dump a high calibur player unless there's serious problems with the player.
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8/17/2006  10:49 AM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by TMS:

i hope you're not implying that we have the necessary pieces to obtain a guy like Kobe Bryant... even if LA was looking to deal him, there's no way they would trade him unless they were getting back a guy like Lebron or D Wade... anything less wouldn't have a shot in hell of interesting the Lakers man.


No I am not saying we could get Kobe, I am just saying he would fit in here - as far as the pieces we have - I am saying we have enough pieces to pry a high calibur player away from a team looking to rebuild. If the Celts wanted to dump Pierce I bet we could land him.

As far as possible trade scenarios go, I dont really get into those because they are all total BS. I am just simply stating that the Knicks have more pieces to ship off then people give them credit for - fans and media included.

The Celtics just gave Pierce a 3 or 4 year extension. Teams don't look to dump a high calibur player unless there's serious problems with the player.

So Shaq had major problems when the Lakers sent him packing? That was over money and Kobe, not Shaq's skills.
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8/17/2006  10:57 AM
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by TMS:

i hope you're not implying that we have the necessary pieces to obtain a guy like Kobe Bryant... even if LA was looking to deal him, there's no way they would trade him unless they were getting back a guy like Lebron or D Wade... anything less wouldn't have a shot in hell of interesting the Lakers man.


No I am not saying we could get Kobe, I am just saying he would fit in here - as far as the pieces we have - I am saying we have enough pieces to pry a high calibur player away from a team looking to rebuild. If the Celts wanted to dump Pierce I bet we could land him.

As far as possible trade scenarios go, I dont really get into those because they are all total BS. I am just simply stating that the Knicks have more pieces to ship off then people give them credit for - fans and media included.

The Celtics just gave Pierce a 3 or 4 year extension. Teams don't look to dump a high calibur player unless there's serious problems with the player.

So Shaq had major problems when the Lakers sent him packing? That was over money and Kobe, not Shaq's skills.

Major problems with the team's franchise player and I'd say his skills were beginning to deteriorate. They also did not dump him. They got very good players (although not enough). Maybe you were just using the word "dump" differently than I realized.
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8/17/2006  11:42 AM
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by TMS:

i hope you're not implying that we have the necessary pieces to obtain a guy like Kobe Bryant... even if LA was looking to deal him, there's no way they would trade him unless they were getting back a guy like Lebron or D Wade... anything less wouldn't have a shot in hell of interesting the Lakers man.


No I am not saying we could get Kobe, I am just saying he would fit in here - as far as the pieces we have - I am saying we have enough pieces to pry a high calibur player away from a team looking to rebuild. If the Celts wanted to dump Pierce I bet we could land him.

As far as possible trade scenarios go, I dont really get into those because they are all total BS. I am just simply stating that the Knicks have more pieces to ship off then people give them credit for - fans and media included.

The Celtics just gave Pierce a 3 or 4 year extension. Teams don't look to dump a high calibur player unless there's serious problems with the player.

So Shaq had major problems when the Lakers sent him packing? That was over money and Kobe, not Shaq's skills.

Major problems with the team's franchise player and I'd say his skills were beginning to deteriorate. They also did not dump him. They got very good players (although not enough). Maybe you were just using the word "dump" differently than I realized.


Yeah...thats the problem with posting on the internet - every word you write is taken literally.

I agree, they did get a lot for him - but trading players like Craw, Franchise, expirings, and a draft pick (not that I think we should) would probably net us someone good. The real problem is Isiah hasn't been able to make smart deals. He has gotten us some talent but the cost was very high.

Also, in reference to Shaq - his skills may be on the decline, but he did make good on his promise to Miami. Would you take a shor lived Shaq and a ring over making the playoffs or the finals and not winning?
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8/17/2006  12:02 PM
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by wsdm:
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by TMS:

i hope you're not implying that we have the necessary pieces to obtain a guy like Kobe Bryant... even if LA was looking to deal him, there's no way they would trade him unless they were getting back a guy like Lebron or D Wade... anything less wouldn't have a shot in hell of interesting the Lakers man.


No I am not saying we could get Kobe, I am just saying he would fit in here - as far as the pieces we have - I am saying we have enough pieces to pry a high calibur player away from a team looking to rebuild. If the Celts wanted to dump Pierce I bet we could land him.

As far as possible trade scenarios go, I dont really get into those because they are all total BS. I am just simply stating that the Knicks have more pieces to ship off then people give them credit for - fans and media included.

The Celtics just gave Pierce a 3 or 4 year extension. Teams don't look to dump a high calibur player unless there's serious problems with the player.

So Shaq had major problems when the Lakers sent him packing? That was over money and Kobe, not Shaq's skills.

Major problems with the team's franchise player and I'd say his skills were beginning to deteriorate. They also did not dump him. They got very good players (although not enough). Maybe you were just using the word "dump" differently than I realized.


Yeah...thats the problem with posting on the internet - every word you write is taken literally.

I agree, they did get a lot for him - but trading players like Craw, Franchise, expirings, and a draft pick (not that I think we should) would probably net us someone good. The real problem is Isiah hasn't been able to make smart deals. He has gotten us some talent but the cost was very high.

Also, in reference to Shaq - his skills may be on the decline, but he did make good on his promise to Miami. Would you take a shor lived Shaq and a ring over making the playoffs or the finals and not winning?
You have good points about Shaq. I wasn't really thinking about him when I replied initially. I still think it's very rare for stars to be traded without a star coming in return. I think we'd have to include Frye in any deal to get a star player.

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8/17/2006  12:04 PM
Posted by OasisBU:
Posted by TMS:

i hope you're not implying that we have the necessary pieces to obtain a guy like Kobe Bryant... even if LA was looking to deal him, there's no way they would trade him unless they were getting back a guy like Lebron or D Wade... anything less wouldn't have a shot in hell of interesting the Lakers man.


No I am not saying we could get Kobe, I am just saying he would fit in here - as far as the pieces we have - I am saying we have enough pieces to pry a high calibur player away from a team looking to rebuild. If the Celts wanted to dump Pierce I bet we could land him.

As far as possible trade scenarios go, I dont really get into those because they are all total BS. I am just simply stating that the Knicks have more pieces to ship off then people give them credit for - fans and media included.


i disagree... i don't think we have what it would take to land a player of Kobe's calibre... the only star players we could target are guys w/either health issues, past their prime, horrible contracts, or some form of baggage... the Baron Davis's, Ray Allen's, Zach Randolph's of the world... KG would be a stretch to even hope for... forget about the Kobe's, Lebron's or D Wade's of the world.
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8/17/2006  12:15 PM
do you guys remember when there were those allan houston for kobe trade rumors? back when the trouble was starting between kobe and shaq? imagine that deal went down...
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8/17/2006  12:36 PM
Posted by nyballer:

do you guys remember when there were those allan houston for kobe trade rumors? back when the trouble was starting between kobe and shaq? imagine that deal went down...

where? on this board u mean? lol.

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8/17/2006  12:46 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nyballer:

do you guys remember when there were those allan houston for kobe trade rumors? back when the trouble was starting between kobe and shaq? imagine that deal went down...

where? on this board u mean? lol.


haha yeah probably... i think it was when Kobe was a free agent and houston was still nasty
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Posted by nyballer:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by nyballer:

do you guys remember when there were those allan houston for kobe trade rumors? back when the trouble was starting between kobe and shaq? imagine that deal went down...

where? on this board u mean? lol.


haha yeah probably... i think it was when Kobe was a free agent and houston was still nasty

maybe after houston torched kobe for 50+
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8/17/2006  1:54 PM
Thats the only deal they are taking

Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
12.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.5 apg in 27.3 minutes
Maurice Taylor
6-9 PF from Michigan
6.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 18.0 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
9.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.0 apg in 21.4 minutes
Mardy Collins
6-6 from Temple
No games yet played in 2005/06
Incoming
Chris Webber
6-10 PF from Michigan
20.2 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.4 apg in 38.6 minutes
Kyle Korver
6-7 SF from Creighton
11.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.2 minutes
Kevin Ollie
6-2 PG from Connecticut
2.7 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 15.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: +6.4 ppg, +6.0 rpg, and +1.5 apg.


Philadelphia Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Chris Webber
6-10 PF from Michigan
20.2 ppg, 9.9 rpg, 3.4 apg in 38.6 minutes
Kyle Korver
6-7 SF from Creighton
11.4 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.2 minutes
Kevin Ollie
6-2 PG from Connecticut
2.7 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.4 apg in 15.3 minutes
Incoming
Jalen Rose
6-8 SG from Michigan
12.3 ppg, 2.9 rpg, 2.5 apg in 27.3 minutes
Maurice Taylor
6-9 PF from Michigan
6.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.8 apg in 18.0 minutes
Nate Robinson
5-9 PG from Washington
9.3 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.0 apg in 21.4 minutes
Mardy Collins
6-6 from Temple
No games yet played in 2005/06

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8/17/2006  1:57 PM
There are worse things than having a shooter off the bench.....and it clears up our guard logjam for now.......

Marbury/Crawford
Francis/Balkman
Jefferies/Richardson/Korver
Webber/Lee
Curry Frye

I would only do it if we get phillys first round pick next season
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