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Bonn1997
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7/29/2006  11:59 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Isiah needs to make a trade either dumping salary or take back less players than sending out.
Getting a shot blocker would really help this team. I wonder if Theo Ratliff has any gas left in the tank. I wouldn't give up too much to get him but he'd fit the team better than Q-Rich, Mo Taylor, or J Rose
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7/29/2006  11:59 AM


I'm with Nalod on this one...Jeffries is not that great a defensive player to be offered that kind of money or to cut into playing time of guys like DLee...Is he that much better than Q2...Signing Jeffries cuts into DLee playing time...You really think he will bench Q1 in favor of DLee...Do you think Frye and Dlee will split minutes...I don't like the sigining myself...we have guys like Lee and now Balkman who need minutes...I do prefer to see Lee play the 4 but I would like to see him on the floor....It's my opinion but Lee and Q2 will be better than this guy in 2 years with playing time...
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7/29/2006  12:03 PM
This is just a great signing. I've been begging and pleading to make a run at Jared since December of last year. The Knicks need players who are defensive minded and Jared is certainly that. He can guard 4 out of the 5 positions on the floor man to man and he's a damn good help defender. His offense is nothing to write home about but I think in this offense, where its based on alot of motion, cutting and passing that I think you will see Jared's offensive numbers go up a bit. In my mind, this is Isiah's best move since becoming GM of the Knicks, without a doubt in my mind. Jared does alot of little things that other NBA players don't want to do and I think you will really take to this guy after you see him play a bit.
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7/29/2006  12:08 PM
When I watch Jared Jeffries I see a bad player. I'm shocked that so many love him on this board. I think we'll regret this one.
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7/29/2006  12:13 PM
You guys are making Jeffries out to be a better defender that he really is...He's ok but not the player you are reporting...He cannot defend 4 positions....For a guy is size and length, he is not a good shot blocker..he hustle and gives effort...He is an overall energy guy that has faster feet than Lee so can defend the 3 but I thought thats why we drafted Balkman...He is Balkman with 3 year experience...His steal numbers are not what it should be for a guy considered a defensive player...He is not considered a shut down guy...It a panick and stop gap move by Isiah trying to do something for today instead of being patient...

And he doesn't rebound great either...

[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 12:14 PM]

[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 12:16 PM]
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7/29/2006  12:16 PM
Posted by holfresh:

You guys are making Jeffries out to be a better defender that he really is...He's ok but not the player you are reporting...He cannot defend 4 positions....For a guy is size and length, he is not a good shot blocker..he hustle and gives effort...He is an overall energy guy that has faster feet than Lee so can defend the 3 but I thought thats why we drafted Balkman...He is Balkman with 3 year experience...His steal numbers are not what it should be for a guy considered a defensive player...He is not considered a shut down guy...It a panick and stop gap move by Isiah trying to do something for today instead of being patient...



[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 12:14 PM]

How many times you've seen him play?
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7/29/2006  12:18 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:

You guys are making Jeffries out to be a better defender that he really is...He's ok but not the player you are reporting...He cannot defend 4 positions....For a guy is size and length, he is not a good shot blocker..he hustle and gives effort...He is an overall energy guy that has faster feet than Lee so can defend the 3 but I thought thats why we drafted Balkman...He is Balkman with 3 year experience...His steal numbers are not what it should be for a guy considered a defensive player...He is not considered a shut down guy...It a panick and stop gap move by Isiah trying to do something for today instead of being patient...



[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 12:14 PM]

How many times you've seen him play?


Listen...Don't even question me about basketball...I have seen more basketball than you have lived...I have seen Jeffries on many occasions and have seen him at Indiana...He's nothing..
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7/29/2006  12:20 PM
Posted by holfresh:



Listen...Don't even question me about basketball...I have seen more basketball than you have lived...I have seen Jeffries on many occasions and have seen him at Indiana...He's nothing..


Holfresh is getting a little bitchy!

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7/29/2006  12:27 PM
Yeah I am...This guy will be taking valuable mins from guys like Frye, Lee and Balkman...Does he really have that much of an upside....I think all 3 of our current players have bigger upsides...They all can rebound better than this guy and is better offensively....He is all hustle which is a good thing but I thought we we building something with our young guys...Like is said, he is energy and chases down the loose ball but I think Isiah is being short sighted...He could have resisted this signing....

Don't get me wrong..Can Jeffries help, the answer is yes...But I think this hurts Lee alot....





[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 12:28 PM]
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7/29/2006  12:41 PM

Don't get me wrong..Can Jeffries help, the answer is yes...But I think this hurts Lee alot....





[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 12:28 PM]

Jeffries is a 3 and Lee is a 4 for the most part. I don't think it affects him that much.
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7/29/2006  12:41 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:

You guys are making Jeffries out to be a better defender that he really is...He's ok but not the player you are reporting...He cannot defend 4 positions....For a guy is size and length, he is not a good shot blocker..he hustle and gives effort...He is an overall energy guy that has faster feet than Lee so can defend the 3 but I thought thats why we drafted Balkman...He is Balkman with 3 year experience...His steal numbers are not what it should be for a guy considered a defensive player...He is not considered a shut down guy...It a panick and stop gap move by Isiah trying to do something for today instead of being patient...



[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 12:14 PM]

How many times you've seen him play?


Listen...Don't even question me about basketball...I have seen more basketball than you have lived...I have seen Jeffries on many occasions and have seen him at Indiana...He's nothing..

its funny because you say a lot that makes zero sense. Oakley and Mason couldnt and didnt block shots... I guess they were lousy defenders also? Does Artest and Billups block shots?

Whatever... this is the first move that Isiah has made in his last 10 that indicates he's got any clue about what this team neeeds. I'm assuming he's only going after guys like Jefferies and Balkman because Larry told him too. Maybe Isiah learned something in that year. Lucky us

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7/29/2006  12:45 PM
In a league were defense is a 2nd option for 75% of the players, yeah I would rank him among the better defenders in the game today. He also has length which should at least change some shots if nothing else.

And put into the right system in may even convert some easy lay ups in a high uptempo offense, which IMO is certainly not the offense Marbury needs. So With that in mind, I look for another season of turmoil and lack of identity.
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7/29/2006  12:45 PM
Weird how it seems every single Wizards fan is so lukewarm on Jeffries. From what I've seen, I don't exactly get the hype either. Giving him the full MLE certainly seems like a case of overpaying in order to prevent a match from Washington. If we do land Jeffries I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the people waving his flag now end up complaining about his contract and the roster logjam he creates a few months into the season.

All told, I'd much rather have Qyntel Woods back.
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7/29/2006  1:14 PM
All told, I'd much rather have Qyntel Woods back.
It shouldn't be a choice of one of the two but I'd agree I'd take Q W over Jeffries.
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7/29/2006  1:19 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:

You guys are making Jeffries out to be a better defender that he really is...He's ok but not the player you are reporting...He cannot defend 4 positions....For a guy is size and length, he is not a good shot blocker..he hustle and gives effort...He is an overall energy guy that has faster feet than Lee so can defend the 3 but I thought thats why we drafted Balkman...He is Balkman with 3 year experience...His steal numbers are not what it should be for a guy considered a defensive player...He is not considered a shut down guy...It a panick and stop gap move by Isiah trying to do something for today instead of being patient...



[Edited by - holfresh on 07-29-2006 12:14 PM]

How many times you've seen him play?


Listen...Don't even question me about basketball...I have seen more basketball than you have lived...I have seen Jeffries on many occasions and have seen him at Indiana...He's nothing..

its funny because you say a lot that makes zero sense. Oakley and Mason couldnt and didnt block shots... I guess they were lousy defenders also? Does Artest and Billups block shots?

Whatever... this is the first move that Isiah has made in his last 10 that indicates he's got any clue about what this team neeeds. I'm assuming he's only going after guys like Jefferies and Balkman because Larry told him too. Maybe Isiah learned something in that year. Lucky us


We are talking about a guy who is 6' 11" lanky, shot blocking should be part of his repertoire...Oak and Mase had much more to offer to their games...They were space eaters and Oak was an excellent man on man defender and a ferocious rebounder...He set a tone defensively for the entire team and game...

This guy is not a shut down defender...He is not a man on man defender...He is a terrific help defender....Hustles to the ball but it doesn't translate into rebounding numbers...He breaks up a lot of passes and runs the floor well slowing down fast breaks....He has some skills, but we have other players on this roster who will be more of an assest a few years down the road...I for one think that signing this guy and not signing Q2 is a mistake...
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7/29/2006  1:20 PM
I'd have to agree that giving him the full MLE is overpaying, however, this is the type of player you can overpay. He's still young remember and has that length and athleticism, so he still has upside. Remember, Bruce Bowen didn't come out immediately either (At least I think. Correct me if I'm wrong)

Point is, he's a commited guy with some upside and is already a very good wing defender, which is what we need NOW. Obviously Balkman is not there yet, b/c his flaws were exposed in summer league and please don't go by what Gus and Clyde and the statsheet say. He hustles hard, but he's not that great a defensive player yet. Jefferies can help us NOW and the future and the cost is the MLE. This is a 100X better signing than Jerome James and it's what the MLE is meant for.

Just remember, the typical fan doesn't KNOW a ton about bball, so when they see Jefferies, they don't see the big scoring and all the stats. It's hard to identify what he does with the naked eye sometimes, but he's great for a team.

I think the biggest concern is the same thing we've had. What are we gonna do with our logjam. We are gonna have to make a 2 for 1 or 3 for 1, and/or cut some players. There's gonna be a lot of bitching about playing time, I'll tell you that.
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7/29/2006  1:21 PM
Jefferies is not as good as some of you guys are saying. It is true the guy can sub 4 different positions but the guy is not a game breaker. He had no business starting the games he started with the wiz with guys like caron butler available. He is not a guy you rely on for points, rebounds, blocks, etc. He is a role player. A 6'11" role player that can play 4 positions. To me that is what makes him valuable. Jared can contribute buy let's not make him into a prince, Gerald or a ak-47.
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7/29/2006  1:21 PM
To me this makes no sense. You have Woods, Richardson, and Rose who are all competent players at the 3. Plus you just draft Balkman to be your future starter at the 3. Why sign Jefferies, especially to the full MLE? Q-Rich played pretty good defense last year, plus Balkman looks like he will become a good defender. Jefferies is a good defender and a solid player but he is no Tayshaun Price or Artest, plus he cannot shot. Balkman looks like he will be able to do most of what Jefferies does in a year or two, and he would be doing it at a rookie payrate. This move may help this season, but it is going to be a problem in the future.
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7/29/2006  1:24 PM
Listen...Don't even question me about basketball...I have seen more basketball than you have lived...I have seen Jeffries on many occasions and have seen him at Indiana...He's nothing..

I LOVE these kinds of posts. They bring great humor to a slow day.
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7/29/2006  1:29 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Listen...Don't even question me about basketball...I have seen more basketball than you have lived...I have seen Jeffries on many occasions and have seen him at Indiana...He's nothing..

I LOVE these kinds of posts. They bring great humor to a slow day.

Especially when the person saying it, rarely makes sense when posting and never show their "years and years" of basketball.
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